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Are we "a very soft 9 - 2?" The WE DIDN'T PLAY ANYBODY argument.

Is the Baltimore game a warning from a top tier team or was it a "scheduled loss?" Short week, travel several time zones and play at Baltimore where losing is not an unexpected result. When we lost 1 game to Dallas in overtime I thought we were for real. But this game gives me pause. And here is why looking at the schedule and circumstances.

It's been argued by WZers and media types that we did play somebody. But did we? Wins vs. the Bengals, Eagles, Lions, Bucs and Giants were often pointed to as "good teams" we beat. Are they?

~ Eagles 4 - 7.
~ Bucs 4 - 7.
~ Lions - started 5 - 0 and have been dropping games ever since. Really imploded around the time we played them and after. Ok we can claim this one if we want. They were good when we played them. But they haven't been good lately. So how good are they?
~ Giants - Yup we beat them. But we resorted to onside kick trickery at home and could barely get them off the field after several 4th downs. IMO they are perfectly capable of beating us in a rematch.
~ Bengals - good record but a ROOKIE QB. Albeit a good one.

The Seahawks and Cardinals are a joke. And the Seahawks gave us a good game remember if not for 2 Ted Ginn returns that bailed us out. The Browns and Redskins are simply not good teams.

So look at who beat us.

~ Cowboys - a good team. Beat us passing all over the field. Looked like an unstoppable offense vs. us.
~ Ravens - a great TOP TIER team IMO. Completely abused us. Manhandled us all over the field. If we spent any more time on offense they would have had 15 - 20 sacks. Utter domination at the line of scrimmage. Far worse than the score IMO. A game that gives even the most rabid homer some pause and concern.

If I had to do a power ranking right now I would put it like this.

1) Packers - Would abuse us badly.
2) Saints - If we get behind no way to catch up. And we would get behind vs. them.
3) Patriots - Far superior IMO.
4) Ravens - Any worse abuse than this and you file assault charges...
5) Steelers - Vastly underrated by the WZ and media. This team is for real.

6) 49ers. Just my opinion.

I think the Texans and Bears have too many injury concerns at QB to be considered serious contenders. I'd put the Cowboys and Giants about even with us. Almost right on par. The Cowboys beat us. And we barely beat the Giants with onside kicks and all. IMO they are capable of beating us. I think Atlanta is about on par with us. They are definitely capable of beating us on a given sunday.

So maybe:

7) Dallas
8) New York Giants
9) Atlanta

I don't think those teams are far behind us. Capable of beating us too. One of them did.

I think we played one super elite top tier team and they abused us all over the field. It was far worse than the score in the physical matchup. I'm glad we are better. But I don't think we are as top tier as we think. Our offense is not capable of coming from behind. And if we get down in the playoffs I don't see much come from behind capability to keep the season alive. I'm glad we are better than we used to be. But we may not be ready yet for the big time. I agree with the argument that the Ravens and Steelers are the true test. Even if we split those, win out and go 14 - 2 I would start to believe again. If we lose that, get abused, win in NFC West matchups and go 13 - 3 I'm not sure how good we are?...
[ Edited by SanDiego49er on Nov 29, 2011 at 5:44 AM ]
BTW I think New Orleans is capable of overtaking us for the #2 seed depending what happens with us vs. Pittsburgh.
That crossed my mind as well. The teams we beat that were supposed to be good this year just aren't, although the Giants are decent. I don't know, I'm going to just enjoy winning this year, and wait and see how far this ride goes.
Originally posted by GorefullBore:
That crossed my mind as well. The teams we beat that were supposed to be good this year just aren't, although the Giants are decent. I don't know, I'm going to just enjoy winning this year, and wait and see how far this ride goes.

The only reason those teams are no longer good is because the Niners exposed them.

Originally posted by GorefullBore:
That crossed my mind as well. The teams we beat that were supposed to be good this year just aren't, although the Giants are decent. I don't know, I'm going to just enjoy winning this year, and wait and see how far this ride goes.

I just think a lot of the supposed "good teams" that we beat aren't as good as we think. If you step back and look at the records now. And we barely beat the Giants onside kick and all at home. I think they can beat us in a rematch. We can beat them too. But it's pretty even.
aint nothing soft about coming out of an offseason wit no OTAs little to no player / coach intxn complete turnover of coaches on both sides of the ball then getting off to a 9 - 2 start considering five east coast trips and despite only two NFC West games played then sporting the leagues best defense in points allowed takeaways turnover differential stuffing the run then having the league's best special teams unit and offensively u got essentially a top five rushing attack and an efficient passing game that produces a top ranked red zone efficiency and then u consider that u have a lot of young 1st rd picks on both sides of the ball then i think u can say this team is very tough and very impressive with a tremendous upside under baalke / harbaugh. btw most squads u can scream that they haven't played anyone. the truly elite teams that should be used as a measuring stick are GB NO PIT BAL and SF will soon be in consideration by most if not this year then next. As for NE i would concur if they had a playoff defense and rushing attack. This has been NE problem since 2007. I knew NE could not both run and stop the run ever since that perfect season up until now. Sooner or later playoff squads will and have exploited those glaring weaknesses. Brady can't do it alone with no elite back and no defense. Thankfully Alex doesn't have to. We got beat on a short week by BAL in baltimore with a three time zone shift and a 6hr flight for a total of 9 to 10 working hours lost. even then we only lost because our o line had a despicable game and credit to baltimore for their complete effort but under different circumstances say if we miraculously win the NFC and meet BAL in Indy, I can safely pick us as I believe Vegas would too
[ Edited by Pillbusta on Nov 29, 2011 at 6:03 AM ]
And the Ravens have lost to the Seahags and the Saints dropping games to the Rams.

There's so much parity in the league today.
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
aint nothing soft about coming out of an offseason wit no OTAs little to no player / coach intxn complete turnover of coaches on both sides of the ball then getting off to a 9 - 2 start considering five east coast trips and despite only two NFC West games played then sporting the leagues best defense in points allowed takeaways turnover differential stuffing the run then having the league's best special teams unit and offensively u got essentially a top five rushing attack and an efficient passing game that produces a top ranked red zone efficiency and then u consider that u have a lot of young 1st rd picks on both sides of the ball then i think u can say this team is very tough and very impressive with a tremendous upside under baalke / harbaugh. btw most squads u can scream that they haven't played anyone. the truly elite teams that should be used as a measuring stick are GB NO PIT BAL and SF will soon be in consideration by most if not this year then next. As for NE i would concur if they had a playoff defense and rushing attack. This has been NE problem since 2007. I knew NE could not both run and stop the run ever since that perfect season up until now. Sooner or later playoff squads will and have exploited those glaring weaknesses. Brady can't do it alone with no elite back and no defense. Thankfully Alex doesn't have to. We got beat on a short week by BAL in baltimore with a three time zone shift and a 6hr flight for a total of 9 to 10 working hours lost. even then we only lost because our o line had a despicable game and credit to baltimore for their complete effort but under different circumstances say if we miraculously win the NFC and meet BAL in Indy, I can safely pick us as I believe Vegas would too

We have a lot of positives too. The east coast wins. The no offseason. Remarkable we are this good. Next year would really be our year you would think.
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
And the Ravens have lost to the Seahags and the Saints dropping games to the Rams.

There's so much parity in the league today.

Maybe. But aren't the Saints much better right now than they were then? We almost lost to the Seahawks if not for Ted Ginn.
lol

so much angst over a team that could finish 13-3

If these were the 80s and 90s, we'd have fans committing suicide because we only won 5 SBs in 20 years.
Tough away game, pretty much must win for them, short preparation time and travelling, not to mention key injuries. A ten point loss.

IMO you are way overreacting.
Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:
lol

so much angst over a team that could finish 13-3

If these were the 80s and 90s, we'd have fans committing suicide because we only won 5 SBs in 20 years.



Somebody forgot to take their happy pills this morning.
[ Edited by horsecore on Nov 29, 2011 at 6:12 AM ]
the way we play aint soft but todays league mandate and the way games are officiated so as to recreate the magic of montana and rice in their absence at the behest of most every DC and the glee of most every OC is very soft. almost flag football like. i hope we win some playoff games so that we can show that a physical brand of ball can still be played and u can still win despite all the laundry on the field in the passing game.
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
aint nothing soft about coming out of an offseason wit no OTAs little to no player / coach intxn complete turnover of coaches on both sides of the ball then getting off to a 9 - 2 start considering five east coast trips and despite only two NFC West games played then sporting the leagues best defense in points allowed takeaways turnover differential stuffing the run then having the league's best special teams unit and offensively u got essentially a top five rushing attack and an efficient passing game that produces a top ranked red zone efficiency and then u consider that u have a lot of young 1st rd picks on both sides of the ball then i think u can say this team is very tough and very impressive with a tremendous upside under baalke / harbaugh. btw most squads u can scream that they haven't played anyone. the truly elite teams that should be used as a measuring stick are GB NO PIT BAL and SF will soon be in consideration by most if not this year then next. As for NE i would concur if they had a playoff defense and rushing attack. This has been NE problem since 2007. I knew NE could not both run and stop the run ever since that perfect season up until now. Sooner or later playoff squads will and have exploited those glaring weaknesses. Brady can't do it alone with no elite back and no defense. Thankfully Alex doesn't have to. We got beat on a short week by BAL in baltimore with a three time zone shift and a 6hr flight for a total of 9 to 10 working hours lost. even then we only lost because our o line had a despicable game and credit to baltimore for their complete effort but under different circumstances say if we miraculously win the NFC and meet BAL in Indy, I can safely pick us as I believe Vegas would too

Didn't read. Periods makes paragraphs better.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Is the Baltimore game a warning from a top tier team or was it a "scheduled loss?" Short week, travel several time zones and play at Baltimore where losing is not an unexpected result. When we lost 1 game to Dallas in overtime I thought we were for real. But this game gives me pause. And here is why looking at the schedule and circumstances.

It's been argued by WZers and media types that we did play somebody. But did we? Wins vs. the Bengals, Eagles, Lions, Bucs and Giants were often pointed to as "good teams" we beat. Are they?

~ Eagles 4 - 7.
~ Bucs 4 - 7.
~ Lions - started 5 - 0 and have been dropping games ever since. Really imploded around the time we played them and after. Ok we can claim this one if we want. They were good when we played them. But they haven't been good lately. So how good are they?
~ Giants - Yup we beat them. But we resorted to onside kick trickery at home and could barely get them off the field after several 4th downs. IMO they are perfectly capable of beating us in a rematch.
~ Bengals - good record but a ROOKIE QB. Albeit a good one.

The Seahawks and Cardinals are a joke. And the Seahawks gave us a good game remember if not for 2 Ted Ginn returns that bailed us out. The Browns and Redskins are simply not good teams.

So look at who beat us.

~ Cowboys - a good team. Beat us passing all over the field. Looked like an unstoppable offense vs. us.
~ Ravens - a great TOP TIER team IMO. Completely abused us. Manhandled us all over the field. If we spent any more time on offense they would have had 15 - 20 sacks. Utter domination at the line of scrimmage. Far worse than the score IMO. A game that gives even the most rabid homer some pause and concern.

If I had to do a power ranking right now I would put it like this.

1) Packers - Would abuse us badly.
2) Saints - If we get behind no way to catch up. And we would get behind vs. them.
3) Patriots - Far superior IMO.
4) Ravens - Any worse abuse than this and you file assault charges...
5) Steelers - Vastly underrated by the WZ and media. This team is for real.

6) 49ers. Just my opinion.

I think the Texans and Bears have too many injury concerns at QB to be considered serious contenders. I'd put the Cowboys and Giants about even with us. Almost right on par. The Cowboys beat us. And we barely beat the Giants with onside kicks and all. IMO they are capable of beating us. I think Atlanta is about on par with us. They are definitely capable of beating us on a given sunday.

So maybe:

7) Dallas
8) New York Giants
9) Atlanta

I don't think those teams are far behind us. Capable of beating us too. One of them did.

I think we played one super elite top tier team and they abused us all over the field. It was far worse than the score in the physical matchup. I'm glad we are better. But I don't think we are as top tier as we think. Our offense is not capable of coming from behind. And if we get down in the playoffs I don't see much come from behind capability to keep the season alive. I'm glad we are better than we used to be. But we may not be ready yet for the big time. I agree with the argument that the Ravens and Steelers are the true test. Even if we split those, win out and go 14 - 2 I would start to believe again. If we lose that, get abused, win in NFC West matchups and go 13 - 3 I'm not sure how good we are?...
San Diego, you mention two teams that beat us.

The first, the Cowboys, won on plays like our DBs slipping and falling on TD bombs and Madieu Williams pathetically jumping routes and getting burned (we didn't have Goldson at this time). Really, we beat the Cowboys and gave the game away; better put, there is no reason why we couldn't beat them if played them again.

The Ravens game has been analyzed to the minutest detail, already. A football game is 60 minutes, and it came down to the 4th quarter. Flacco barely finished the game with more yards than Alex, and for all the sacks that the Ravens had they were prone to the big play. This is also a Ravens team that lost to the likes of the Seahawks and gave up 20+ points to teams like the Bengals.

The point is this: any team can be beaten any Sunday, but in 11 games we know two things: our defense is great and leads the league in points allowed (we allowed only 16 to the Ravens AT HOME), and our offense is mediocre and usually thrives off of winning the turnover ratio. The Ravens game taught us nothing new about this season.

Are you scared about playing the Saints? Unless start losing games we shouldn't, we'll play them at home. The Saints seem unstoppable when they are playing at the Superdome, but they come back down to earth on someone else's turf.

Cowboys? With our full arsenal at our disposal on defense and 16 games worth of time with Harbaugh's playbook, I don't see how we lose at home.

The Bears? Will Cutler even be ready?

The Giants? They might play themselves out of playoff contention.

The Falcons? Same team we lost to only because of Nate Clements, and that was WITHOUT Harbaugh.

The Packers? We have the same problem that the other 31 teams in the league have; it doesn't matter how or who it is, someone has to beat them.

The real question you should ask yourself is, are the 49ers bad enough to lose a 1st-round bye through a loss to one of the NFC West teams? Or, are the 49ers bad enough to lose at home to any NFC team not named Green Bay?

If you remember that Giants game, it was the same one that Tedd Ginn tipped a pass that was intercepted during the 2 minute drill, could've been points. We had been up two scores in that game heading into the 4th, and silly crap like blitzing Goldson on a late blitz eroded that lead. Our MO is bend but don't break, and we shouldn't F around with it. The game would've been a lot more lopsided if Fangio didn't try to get cute there.
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