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Aldon Smith vs Oher

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
They play very different styles and/or different positions. Aldon has looked freakishly good most of the year but isn't experienced dropping into coverage. If they change the D a bit to allow him to play as a rush specialist who can shut down a side against the run, I think he will explode with productivity. I'm suggesting that they use him sort of like Baltimore uses Suggs--move him all around so the O has no idea where he's coming from. He can still learn to cover as time goes by but until then he can wreck havoc on opposing teams QBs.

I believe this would be possible because the 9er MLBs are able to cover and make up for his moving around by filling the void. The only thing that would hold him back would be a lack of instincts, but that does not seem to be the case.

The reason Smiths tackles numbers are low is simple; Willis and Bowman. Miller doesn't have players of this caliber making tackles in addition to decreased snaps. As a linebacker miller is more complete, but a pass rusher Smith is his equal. Don't forget Miller has played two more years of football than Smith.
Yea Miller's explosion off the line of scrimmage is just unbelievable. Looks like he was shot out of a cannon.
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Just to clarify my statement because MadDag is trying to misrepresent them. I stated nobody would trade Smith for Reed or Kerrigan. I stated that Smith will end up a Dlineman as he increases in size. Which is why he will be valuable. Everybody is aware of Miller right now but to state that he's a HOF base on a single season sounds like Merimen versus Ware argument be careful crowning players to early. Let's see what happens over 3-4 years.

I didn't misrepresent you at all. You stated that you would not trade Aldon Smith for Von Miller. I said that if you were a GM, you would probably be the only person to not make that trade. Miller is the hands-down best defensive player in the draft so far.
It's hard for me to believe that Aldon doesn't see the field solely because he can't drop into coverage well. It's not like Parys is very good in coverage either, and neither are many other elephant rushers. I imagine it's more just playing in space against the run and setting the edge where Parys is also better, as he is indeed the superior linebacker, and the drop-off in pass-rushing isn't nearly as high as people would think.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Miller is a future Hall-of-Famer if he keeps it up. Aldon is a future perennial pro-bowler. But just because Miller is out-of-this world, that doesn't take much away from Aldon Smith.

JJ Watt see's three times the amount of snaps. He probably has more total snaps than Miller too.

For a 3-4 DE, which normally does not accumulate stats, his exact match with Justin Smith is remarkable. In addition, the addition of JJ Watt has propelled the Texans to become the #1 defense in the NFL. Watt's impact has been astronomically more important than Aldon Smith, who is a role player at this point.

I do like the "sideline" argument for you. It is pretty clever, and funny, Cheers.

P.S. My critique of Aldon is based on the amount of undue praise for certain games, like against the Ravens. People are praising the effort as nearly superhuman, but in reality, he didn't rush the passer well at all. The Ravens neutralized him on nearly every passing down, and he was virtually invisible on and off the field.

The potential for Smith is tremendous, and I have stated this from long before the draft. But, outside of two or three games, where he really stood out, he has been largely quiet this rookie year. Guys like Miller and Watt are making differences in each and every game.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
My critique of Aldon is based on the amount of undue praise for certain games

this is basically your M.O. in a nutshell. You don't naturally come up with a critique, you only come up with it to argue and try to prove someone wrong. Just a contrarian for the sake of being so.
I like how the reason the Texans D is improved is because of J.J Watt. Its not like the D coordinator or improved Secondary play has anythign to do with it. No its all J.J Watt
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Miller is a future Hall-of-Famer if he keeps it up. Aldon is a future perennial pro-bowler. But just because Miller is out-of-this world, that doesn't take much away from Aldon Smith.

JJ Watt see's three times the amount of snaps. He probably has more total snaps than Miller too.

For a 3-4 DE, which normally does not accumulate stats, his exact match with Justin Smith is remarkable. In addition, the addition of JJ Watt has propelled the Texans to become the #1 defense in the NFL. Watt's impact has been astronomically more important than Aldon Smith, who is a role player at this point.

I do like the "sideline" argument for you. It is pretty clever, and funny, Cheers.

P.S. My critique of Aldon is based on the amount of undue praise for certain games, like against the Ravens. People are praising the effort as nearly superhuman, but in reality, he didn't rush the passer well at all. The Ravens neutralized him on nearly every passing down, and he was virtually invisible on and off the field.

The potential for Smith is tremendous, and I have stated this from long before the draft. But, outside of two or three games, where he really stood out, he has been largely quiet this rookie year. Guys like Miller and Watt are making differences in each and every game.

The Ravens neutralized Justin Smith also...that doesn't mean he's not a top DL.
Originally posted by HessianDud:
this is basically your M.O. in a nutshell. You don't naturally come up with a critique, you only come up with it to argue and try to prove someone wrong. Just a contrarian for the sake of being so.
I critique all the time, good and bad, so I have no idea what you are taking about. It is about perspective. You cannot watch the NFL, and state that Smith is a force in this league, as some seem to believe, just because he knocked Oher down one time, as if that is worthy of a special award. It is a rebuke on their refusal to embrace that he is not a great player yet.

Could Smith be great? Sure. But, is not even good enough to start now, so people are raising him up on a pedestal that is not reasonable at this point in his career, simply because they want him to be great, so they already see him as great. He's not.
Originally posted by Joecool:
The Ravens neutralized Justin Smith also...that doesn't mean he's not a top DL.

That is not my point. It simply shows that Watt is approaching the level of a Justin Smith (in terms of statistics), and that is impressive as a 3-4 DE, since Smith is considered one of the best 3-4 DE's in the game.

Aldon Smith is not even close to Justin Smith. Justin is a consistently great performer, while Aldon has been up and down this season.
[ Edited by MadDog49er on Nov 29, 2011 at 11:06 AM ]
Originally posted by valrod33:
I like how the reason the Texans D is improved is because of J.J Watt. Its not like the D coordinator or improved Secondary play has anythign to do with it. No its all J.J Watt

Read any of the Texans beat reporters, and they will cite Watt as a major transformative piece of the puzzle. Of course he is not the only piece. However, he is a starter, posting brilliant numbers for a 3-4 DE, and is probably in second place in the DROY award if the season ended today.

Meanwhile, Smith is a backup to the legendary Parys Haralson.
[ Edited by MadDog49er on Nov 29, 2011 at 11:10 AM ]
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
this is basically your M.O. in a nutshell. You don't naturally come up with a critique, you only come up with it to argue and try to prove someone wrong. Just a contrarian for the sake of being so.
I critique all the time, good and bad, so I have no idea what you are taking about. It is about perspective. You cannot watch the NFL, and state that Smith is a force in this league, as some seem to believe, just because he knocked Oher down one time, as if that is worthy of a special award. It is a rebuke on their refusal to embrace that he is not a great player yet.

Could Smith be great? Sure. But, is not even good enough to start now, so people are raising him up on a pedestal that is not reasonable at this point in his career, simply because they want him to be great, so they already see him as great. He's not.

Aldon had a stretch of games where he made huge plays and though he has trailed off since then, he still has a very impressive sack-to-snap ratio. there's no reason to not be excited about the kid.

Unless, of course, you go out of your way to bag on your own team and its fans just to be different, because you believe, in your difference, you achieve relevance and meaning.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by valrod33:
I like how the reason the Texans D is improved is because of J.J Watt. Its not like the D coordinator or improved Secondary play has anythign to do with it. No its all J.J Watt

Read any of the Texans beat reporters, and they will cite Watt as a major transformative piece of the puzzle. Of course he is not the only piece. However, he is a starter, posting brilliant numbers for a 3-4 DE, and is probably in second place in the DROY award if the season ended today.

Meanwhile, Smith is a backup to the legendary Parys Haralson.

Read any of the Niners reports and they will tell you Smith is a monster and has been since TC.

You complained that the FO neglected a OLB pass rusher and they finally got one and you would rather have a 3-4 DE? We already have two very good ones and a few solid back ups. Do we draft a MLB in the first round next year if it suits your big board? I think not.

Aldon Smith has made a dominating impact for our team just as much as Watt has for his. 3-4 OLB > 3-4 DE.
[ Edited by Young2Rice on Nov 29, 2011 at 11:29 AM ]
I just wonder what the coaches are seeing in practice that is stopping them from starting this guy. We all know Parys is back up player. I hate drafting a guy in the top 10 then only using him as a situational player. Unless it's a quarterback a guy drafted in the top 7 should be starting. Parys had a great 1st game of the season and nothing sense.
Originally posted by lamontb:
I just wonder what the coaches are seeing in practice that is stopping them from starting this guy. We all know Parys is back up player. I hate drafting a guy in the top 10 then only using him as a situational player. Unless it's a quarterback a guy drafted in the top 7 should be starting. Parys had a great 1st game of the season and nothing sense.

pass protection