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Would any of our Wrs start on any other NFL team?

Originally posted by johnnyredneat:
Originally posted by Redgoldknight:
Are you serious? Of course our WR's would start on other teams. Crabtree, Morgan and Braylon(already a pro bowler) are as talented as any of The Green Bay Packers or Saints Recievers. It's just we don't have an all-pro Qb that can get the ball to our recievers beyond 5yds.

Um, no dude. Just no.


"Um yes dude just yes". If ur blind then I apolagize for mocking you because you can't see the game obviously!!!
Originally posted by Redgoldknight:
Are you serious? Of course our WR's would start on other teams. Crabtree, Morgan and Braylon(already a pro bowler) are as talented as any of The Green Bay Packers or Saints Recievers. It's just we don't have an all-pro Qb that can get the ball to our recievers beyond 5yds.

Lol yeah that's it.
Originally posted by johnnyredneat:
Right now, Braylon Edwards would not start for most teams. He shouldn't be starting for our team. I believe the OP's point re: Edwards was for people to stop looking at the 2007 stat sheet and start watching the 2011 gamefilm. (If that was his point, I agree with him.)

Edwards is not an NFL starting-caliber WR right now. (Neither is Ginn, for that matter, but that's hardly a revelation.) Harbaugh has essentially admitted as much. I would challenge anyone who disagrees with this to first watch the offensive snaps from the last few weeks and actually focus on Braylon.

IMHO, the plays Kyle Williams got last Sunday were the result of us working him into practice more the last few weeks, after we concluded that neither Braylon nor Ginn were giving us enough. KW was so far down the depth chart that we couldn't just shove him in immediately.

c/s this Wr needs to be upgraded.
Originally posted by BrianGO:
I an curious as to WHO all these amazing WR's are in the NFL who are SOOOO much better than our's?

There are a handful of obvious names, then there are some who have All-Pro quarterbacks throwing them the ball. I bet those who think our WR's are average, couldn't even name half the WR's in the league to begin with.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=RECEIVING&conference=null&season=2011&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RECEIVING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1
Originally posted by Redgoldknight:
Originally posted by johnnyredneat:
Originally posted by Redgoldknight:
Are you serious? Of course our WR's would start on other teams. Crabtree, Morgan and Braylon(already a pro bowler) are as talented as any of The Green Bay Packers or Saints Recievers. It's just we don't have an all-pro Qb that can get the ball to our recievers beyond 5yds.

Um, no dude. Just no.


"Um yes dude just yes". If ur blind then I apolagize for mocking you because you can't see the game obviously!!!

Fine, you win. I'm convinced. I'm sure if we swapped WRs with the Packers right now, then we'd get worse and they'd get better. You must be predicting a bidding frenzy when Morgan and Edwards hit free agency next offseason.
Originally posted by fly15:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
crabtree would but not on all teams

he would on any team, he's lacking stats cause of our qb issue


what isssue? stats dont mean s^^t only for fantasy players.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by BrianGO:
I an curious as to WHO all these amazing WR's are in the NFL who are SOOOO much better than our's?

There are a handful of obvious names, then there are some who have All-Pro quarterbacks throwing them the ball. I bet those who think our WR's are average, couldn't even name half the WR's in the league to begin with.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=RECEIVING&conference=null&season=2011&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RECEIVING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

Or, if you want advanced stats that do more to isolate the WR from the QB (they can never be completely isolated):

http://wp.advancednflstats.com/playerstats.php?pos=WR

Cliff's note: The highest ranked 49er is Crabtree, at #56.
WR's are just starting to get the feel for this offense. This team has not been together that long. I honestly feel we wont be seeing a huge production from them until we have an off season to really get a better grasp of this offense. I feel the lack of WR production is more due to Alex not fully having faith in them, and them not being on the same page. All these other receivers in the list above have been either in the same system for years, or have been put in an already existing system. Our guys, all 11 of them are still learning the basics of an offense,
Originally posted by Redgoldknight:
Are you serious? Of course our WR's would start on other teams. Crabtree, Morgan and Braylon(already a pro bowler) are as talented as any of The Green Bay Packers or Saints Recievers. It's just we don't have an all-pro Qb that can get the ball to our recievers beyond 5yds.

LOL. The GB WR's / TE's are big and fast. And they have great hands. Almost never drop a ball. Those guys are beasts. Rodgers is great. But he isn't working with garbage there. He has great skill position targets in the passing game.

In our case I'd take VD over any of their TE's and their TE's are great. I just think VD is better because he can take a 5 yard pass and turn it into 50 and a TD. Crabtree is good but he doesn't have nearly the speed of say a Jordy Nelson who can take it to the house. Edwards has a banged up knee and is not playing full speed. He is also dropping passes all over the field. Same with Ginn (dropping passes all over the field or tipping them in the air for int's). Morgan is lost for the year to injury. Williams is a good and natural WR with excellent hands. But undersized. Smaller than some of the Packer Wr's. I honestly think the only place we have them beat is TE and they have great TE's so that is not by much. Crab is good but not as fast as the typical GB Wr. Rodgers is working with A LOT. He's not doing it by himself.
Considering talent alone, sans injury, Crabtree and Edwards have very good NFL level talent and Morgan is marginal but may become better with time--worked hard to establish a rapport with Smith, which is very valuable. Ginn is a return specialist who can be used sparingly in a pinch due to his speed and shiftiness. VD is a very fast TE with mediocre hands who has worked on this part of his game and brought his hands up to a decent level but still has difficulty with body control on difficult receptions. Walker has been erratic but has improved so much that he is dependable as an all around player...very difficult to defend.

While I really like these guys I still do not see the dependable go to receiver they need. If Edwards can regain his form he displayed a very tough, take it to them attitude and ability to go after the ball that the others have lacked. Morgan did this a couple of years ago but not this year and is now injured.

Smith has some of the blame as he is just learning how to deliver the ball in rhythm...coaching has hurt him much more than most will accept. He was not ready for the NFL and needed to be groomed. Instead, Nolan treated him like a scrub and threw him to the wolves. The fact that he endured and has succeeded is a testament to his mental toughness and physical ability.

And to answer the original question--Edwards was a starter on two other NFL teams already but he was not resigned. Why? The Jets signed a guy out of prison rather than resign Edwards...odd. That said I love Edwards game and hope the games before the injury were a sign of things to come. Crabtree still has to prove himself but I still really like his game as well. Damn injuries are keeping this offense from matching the D...when it does--Wow!
Edwards is hurt but I did like what I saw before he got his knee hurt. I'd say he's at least a #2 on most teams and could be a #1 on some.

Crabs is getting better, but man, he looks slow at times. He's a keeper but a #2 in my opinion here and on most teams.

Morgan is a decent wr who is a #3 here and on most teams in the NFL.

Ginn should not be a starting wr for us or anyone else. Too many dropped balls when they matter. Great special teams guy though.

I think Kyle looks great and I'm thinking with his speed and quickness he could be a solid #2 guy for us in the very near future.

So we have a bunch of #2-3 guys that are good but not great. Nobody on our wr corps deserves a double team. That distinction goes to Davis. Think of how much better he could be for us if we had a trure #1 wr who had to be doubled!!

We gotta get a #1 wr in the upcoming draft to take the next step up on O. Look what Jerry did for us back in the day.
The GB vs SF debate is pointless, different types of receivers. I would take any of our top 3 over Driver, Jennings is basically a healthy Braylon with better hands but less physicality, and Jordy is the sh*t. Any of our top three would start over Driver right now in GB, but compared to Jordy or Jennings they are slightly behind. The main difference is our receivers go over the middle allot more, and are more possession type guys. Where as GB receivers run allot more downfield routes due to Rodgers ability to see the whole field and locate the open-ish man quickly. Both team's receivers tend to drop allot of balls, but GB has more quality depth with Cobb & Jones, compared to Williams & Ginn. But Williams would be a stud in GB with his hands and quickness and definately crack the rotation.

Some of our receivers would be in the starter rotation for every team in the league, just like allot of other teams top receivers would be in the starter rotation on our team. But every offense is different and values each receiver differently. GB doesnt have an elite receiver like Fitz or AJ, but they have good to great receivers and allot of them. We have good to great receivers but not much depth, and they excel at different areas.
I feel that people underestimate Crabtree, he is not any slower than most receivers. His problem is sometimes he dances too much instead of getting down the field. I think we have plenty of talent at the position, but are not seeing the production we want because they are still working the details and timing out. Chemistry takes time, and practice.
Originally posted by Redgoldknight:
Originally posted by johnnyredneat:
Originally posted by Redgoldknight:
Are you serious? Of course our WR's would start on other teams. Crabtree, Morgan and Braylon(already a pro bowler) are as talented as any of The Green Bay Packers or Saints Recievers. It's just we don't have an all-pro Qb that can get the ball to our recievers beyond 5yds.

Um, no dude. Just no.


"Um yes dude just yes". If ur blind then I apolagize for mocking you because you can't see the game obviously!!!

lol ur kidding right?

have you seen a GB game?

they make diving caatches switch positions they have yet to drop a pass


we are top 2 or 3 in nfl in drop passes


crabtree would not start in GB at all '
morgan wouldnt make the roster
braylon is ok but too inconsistant--there is a reason he only signed a 1 year 1 millioin dollar contract ; he couldnt get anything better anywhere else
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by Redgoldknight:
Originally posted by johnnyredneat:
Originally posted by Redgoldknight:
Are you serious? Of course our WR's would start on other teams. Crabtree, Morgan and Braylon(already a pro bowler) are as talented as any of The Green Bay Packers or Saints Recievers. It's just we don't have an all-pro Qb that can get the ball to our recievers beyond 5yds.

Um, no dude. Just no.


"Um yes dude just yes". If ur blind then I apolagize for mocking you because you can't see the game obviously!!!

lol ur kidding right?

have you seen a GB game?

they make diving caatches switch positions they have yet to drop a pass


we are top 2 or 3 in nfl in drop passes


crabtree would not start in GB at all '
morgan wouldnt make the roster
braylon is ok but too inconsistant--there is a reason he only signed a 1 year 1 millioin dollar contract ; he couldnt get anything better anywhere else

Yes.