We could sign Alex to a 10 year agreement doesn't matter all that matters is the amount of guaranteed money and how much dead money are we willing to have if we decide to cut Alex starting year 3 of his contract. However for argument purposes sign him to a 3 year with year 3 as an option or contigent based on the Niners making the playoffs in year 1 or 2 of Alex new contract.
Alex is finally getting the coaching and the support of the coaches he has always needed with that being said I belive he will get better as he continues to learn the system, however while I think Alex can get us consistently to the playoffs or make sure we have winning records he just does not have that "it" factor and do not think he can get us to the Super Bowl
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What does the team do with Alex Smith after this season?
What does the team do with Alex Smith after this season?
Nov 12, 2011 at 7:49 PM
- Bejaard49er
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Nov 12, 2011 at 7:53 PM
- HessianDud
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Originally posted by 305Niner:
Originally posted by English:
That would be sensible. Leaving us with an untried project of a qb who has taken half a dozen NFL snaps. Good thinking.
Smith has had a remarkable half-season, but I have no idea why so many people think he has now reached his ceiling. Apart from one brief year of Norv he has not really seen much in the way of quality coaching. He is still young and IMO, still developing. I expect to see a continuing improvement as Harbaugh works with him.
And of course the team will re-sign Smith. It would be ridiculous to let him walk.
If you think about what he is doing, why can't Kaep do that? Its not like we couldnt sign a vet like David Garrard for cheap. Nobody is downing Smith's accomplishments but it is too big of a risk to sign him to a HUGE CONTRACT again.
a lot of what Smith is doing is about recognition and experience. I don't think Kaep would be as successful, though I do think that Harbaugh would come up with a good scheme/system to help Kaep succeed.
The way this D is playing, and the ST, and the way we are coached, I think we could probably win this division with Kaep at QB, but not much more than that. With Smith we are actually a contender. There won't be a better FA veteran QB available after this season, and since Smith is a 27 year old, experienced vet who is just now realizing his potential, I see no problem with giving him a big contract.
Nov 12, 2011 at 7:54 PM
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If he starts dialing in longer range passes, sign him as soon as possible. That's the only thing missing from his game right now. If he goes the entire season without dialing in longer plays, the Niners just won't go very far in the playoffs and you sign him to another short-term deal.
Nov 12, 2011 at 7:56 PM
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Originally posted by GNielsen:
If he starts dialing in longer range passes, sign him as soon as possible. That's the only thing missing from his game right now. If he goes the entire season without dialing in longer plays, the Niners just won't go very far in the playoffs and you sign him to another short-term deal.
what does that mean?
Nov 12, 2011 at 10:13 PM
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Bejaard, not that I believe alex is anything like trent dilfer, amazing SB QB for Ravens, but did trent really have the "it " factor. Nah, I think alex is a different breed of cat, and probably I was one of the very few, when he was struggling, suggested constancy and good coaching were needed for him to succeed. Sadly he got none of those until Harbaugh, and as Hessian mentioned, the way the D is playing plus STs, plus the way alex has played well in winning, I am not sure exactly why anyone in his right mind would want to "farm out" a 27 y/o veteran, now playing in a system designed to promote his strengths, who has sustained every kind of shiddy hardship the effete 9ers could throw at him, and still come out and plays like an "elite" Qb, to quote our coach. Jeez, alex did it in reverse of Aaron Rodgers, but this is exactly the kind of Qb we should be looking for....unless tom brady has a hankering to come here. Alex has shown us strokes of genius, plus the other side, but now the kid is in the ideal position to lead this team to multiple SBs. All the parts are there...incredibly. And alex with JH will just get better, exactly as he has to date, plus we get to see more of the playbook each week, and the kid is performing.
Tomorrow I don't know who is going to win, but I bet alex plays well. I expect we ultimately will win in a really hard , contested game. This game looked like a sure win about 5 games ago, but now, it just looks like another Bucs or Eagles or Lions game, before we played those guys. The 9ers rose to the occasion before, they can do it again. We also have a better coach, a more imaginative coach, that every player seems to admire. I suspect not that type of adulation is reserved for coughlin, tho i don't know that for sure. I do know with Tolzien to back up, Alex looks pretty darn good for right now, with only his future ahead. Plus he has the added weapon, a coach to guide him and maximize his strengths and the opposite for his weaknesses. Guess? STs win, D wins, and alex plays Eli even. Harbaugh outcoaches coughlin. That to me looks like the makings of a win, but that is why they play the game.
Tomorrow I don't know who is going to win, but I bet alex plays well. I expect we ultimately will win in a really hard , contested game. This game looked like a sure win about 5 games ago, but now, it just looks like another Bucs or Eagles or Lions game, before we played those guys. The 9ers rose to the occasion before, they can do it again. We also have a better coach, a more imaginative coach, that every player seems to admire. I suspect not that type of adulation is reserved for coughlin, tho i don't know that for sure. I do know with Tolzien to back up, Alex looks pretty darn good for right now, with only his future ahead. Plus he has the added weapon, a coach to guide him and maximize his strengths and the opposite for his weaknesses. Guess? STs win, D wins, and alex plays Eli even. Harbaugh outcoaches coughlin. That to me looks like the makings of a win, but that is why they play the game.
Nov 12, 2011 at 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by 305Niner:
Originally posted by English:
That would be sensible. Leaving us with an untried project of a qb who has taken half a dozen NFL snaps. Good thinking.
Smith has had a remarkable half-season, but I have no idea why so many people think he has now reached his ceiling. Apart from one brief year of Norv he has not really seen much in the way of quality coaching. He is still young and IMO, still developing. I expect to see a continuing improvement as Harbaugh works with him.
And of course the team will re-sign Smith. It would be ridiculous to let him walk.
If you think about what he is doing, why can't Kaep do that? Its not like we couldnt sign a vet like David Garrard for cheap. Nobody is downing Smith's accomplishments but it is too big of a risk to sign him to a HUGE CONTRACT again.
a lot of what Smith is doing is about recognition and experience. I don't think Kaep would be as successful, though I do think that Harbaugh would come up with a good scheme/system to help Kaep succeed.
The way this D is playing, and the ST, and the way we are coached, I think we could probably win this division with Kaep at QB, but not much more than that. With Smith we are actually a contender. There won't be a better FA veteran QB available after this season, and since Smith is a 27 year old, experienced vet who is just now realizing his potential, I see no problem with giving him a big contract.
I don't think we could win with Kaep. He bangs into the RB when he tries to hand off. He's nowhere near ready to start in the NFL.
Nov 13, 2011 at 7:02 AM
- HessianDud
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by 305Niner:
Originally posted by English:
That would be sensible. Leaving us with an untried project of a qb who has taken half a dozen NFL snaps. Good thinking.
Smith has had a remarkable half-season, but I have no idea why so many people think he has now reached his ceiling. Apart from one brief year of Norv he has not really seen much in the way of quality coaching. He is still young and IMO, still developing. I expect to see a continuing improvement as Harbaugh works with him.
And of course the team will re-sign Smith. It would be ridiculous to let him walk.
If you think about what he is doing, why can't Kaep do that? Its not like we couldnt sign a vet like David Garrard for cheap. Nobody is downing Smith's accomplishments but it is too big of a risk to sign him to a HUGE CONTRACT again.
a lot of what Smith is doing is about recognition and experience. I don't think Kaep would be as successful, though I do think that Harbaugh would come up with a good scheme/system to help Kaep succeed.
The way this D is playing, and the ST, and the way we are coached, I think we could probably win this division with Kaep at QB, but not much more than that. With Smith we are actually a contender. There won't be a better FA veteran QB available after this season, and since Smith is a 27 year old, experienced vet who is just now realizing his potential, I see no problem with giving him a big contract.
I don't think we could win with Kaep. He bangs into the RB when he tries to hand off. He's nowhere near ready to start in the NFL.
we wouldn't be nearly as good, but we would win some games, maybe enough to win this division. With Kaep I'm assuming right now we'd have somewhere around 3 wins, with a chance to take the division with a sweep to get to 8-8.
but i agree, Kaep is not ready, and probably needs two more years to be effective.
Whatever contract Smith gets, it will not hurt the team. A) he's not going to demand to get a Peyton contract and B) our FO is very good at managing contracts in ways that don't cripple the team.
Nov 13, 2011 at 7:23 AM
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Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Well, I can't believe it, but I voted extension. Alex will be a good game manager and our franchise QB until we get someone better. I don't see Kaep as being that person, so we need to keep fishing. The only way we get Luck is if he breaks his leg and tears both ACLs.
I'm glad you came around man. It would be stupid to let Smith go with no proven option. It isn't like good QBs grow on trees in the NFL.
When you say "we need to keep fishing" do you mean draft or FA or both?
definitely both. Anytime your QB is called a "game manager" and winning is predicated on your RB, ST, and D to put the team on their backs, then you have a problem. Once Smith keeps doing what he's doing but posting about 100 yards more per game, then I will see things differently. Smith is a stop-gap right now, good enough to get us to the playoffs if everything around him - rest of O, D, ST, and coaching are all perfect or near perfect. Compare that to what we now know about Manning: the whole team revolved around his presence. We have the exact opposite situation here, where we are trying to make the QB position something that doesn't make us lose the game.
Here's a question, which would you rather have? A team which revolves and is centralized around a superstar QB, or a team which shares the credit of being a great team?
Nov 13, 2011 at 7:51 AM
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Originally posted by GNielsen:If he starts dialing in longer range passes, sign him as soon as possible. That's the only thing missing from his game right now. If he goes the entire season without dialing in longer plays, the Niners just won't go very far in the playoffs and you sign him to another short-term deal.
Extract from a Hessian post in the other current AS thread:
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By the way, the 49ers' Alex Smith leads the NFL in passer rating on throws traveling more than 20 yards past the line of scrimmage. He has completed 7 of 16 such attempts for 227 yards with two touchdowns, no interceptions and a 130.2 NFL passer rating...
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Nov 13, 2011 at 7:56 AM
- 305Niner
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I understand that Kaep may not be ready. Thats why you can get a Vet FA. Nobody is downing Smith, but you have to realize we can not play like this forever. Gore is getting older and is taking a pounding every game. The only thing I'm against is resigning for a boat load of money without in performance clauses. Nevertheless Im just going to be happy with the season that is going on right now. Can think about this later. LOL
Nov 13, 2011 at 7:58 AM
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Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by 305Niner:
Originally posted by English:
That would be sensible. Leaving us with an untried project of a qb who has taken half a dozen NFL snaps. Good thinking.
Smith has had a remarkable half-season, but I have no idea why so many people think he has now reached his ceiling. Apart from one brief year of Norv he has not really seen much in the way of quality coaching. He is still young and IMO, still developing. I expect to see a continuing improvement as Harbaugh works with him.
And of course the team will re-sign Smith. It would be ridiculous to let him walk.
If you think about what he is doing, why can't Kaep do that? Its not like we couldnt sign a vet like David Garrard for cheap. Nobody is downing Smith's accomplishments but it is too big of a risk to sign him to a HUGE CONTRACT again.
a lot of what Smith is doing is about recognition and experience. I don't think Kaep would be as successful, though I do think that Harbaugh would come up with a good scheme/system to help Kaep succeed.
The way this D is playing, and the ST, and the way we are coached, I think we could probably win this division with Kaep at QB, but not much more than that. With Smith we are actually a contender. There won't be a better FA veteran QB available after this season, and since Smith is a 27 year old, experienced vet who is just now realizing his potential, I see no problem with giving him a big contract.
I don't think we could win with Kaep. He bangs into the RB when he tries to hand off. He's nowhere near ready to start in the NFL.
we wouldn't be nearly as good, but we would win some games, maybe enough to win this division. With Kaep I'm assuming right now we'd have somewhere around 3 wins, with a chance to take the division with a sweep to get to 8-8.
but i agree, Kaep is not ready, and probably needs two more years to be effective.
Whatever contract Smith gets, it will not hurt the team. A) he's not going to demand to get a Peyton contract and B) our FO is very good at managing contracts in ways that don't cripple the team.
I agree. So resign him. The only thing better than 7 years Alex Smith is 8 years Alex Smith. Haters gonna hate...
Nov 13, 2011 at 8:00 AM
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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by 305Niner:
Originally posted by English:
That would be sensible. Leaving us with an untried project of a qb who has taken half a dozen NFL snaps. Good thinking.
Smith has had a remarkable half-season, but I have no idea why so many people think he has now reached his ceiling. Apart from one brief year of Norv he has not really seen much in the way of quality coaching. He is still young and IMO, still developing. I expect to see a continuing improvement as Harbaugh works with him.
And of course the team will re-sign Smith. It would be ridiculous to let him walk.
If you think about what he is doing, why can't Kaep do that? Its not like we couldnt sign a vet like David Garrard for cheap. Nobody is downing Smith's accomplishments but it is too big of a risk to sign him to a HUGE CONTRACT again.
a lot of what Smith is doing is about recognition and experience. I don't think Kaep would be as successful, though I do think that Harbaugh would come up with a good scheme/system to help Kaep succeed.
The way this D is playing, and the ST, and the way we are coached, I think we could probably win this division with Kaep at QB, but not much more than that. With Smith we are actually a contender. There won't be a better FA veteran QB available after this season, and since Smith is a 27 year old, experienced vet who is just now realizing his potential, I see no problem with giving him a big contract.
I don't think we could win with Kaep. He bangs into the RB when he tries to hand off. He's nowhere near ready to start in the NFL.
we wouldn't be nearly as good, but we would win some games, maybe enough to win this division. With Kaep I'm assuming right now we'd have somewhere around 3 wins, with a chance to take the division with a sweep to get to 8-8.
but i agree, Kaep is not ready, and probably needs two more years to be effective.
Whatever contract Smith gets, it will not hurt the team. A) he's not going to demand to get a Peyton contract and B) our FO is very good at managing contracts in ways that don't cripple the team.
I agree. So resign him. The only thing better than 7 years Alex Smith is 8 years Alex Smith. Haters gonna hate...
a young, intelligent guy who is experienced but hasn't hit his ceiling and is liked and respected in the locker room, who won't demand an outrageous contract and who will certainly be the best available FA QB once again...I'm not sure what the debate is, really.
Nov 13, 2011 at 8:05 AM
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Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by 305Niner:
Originally posted by English:
That would be sensible. Leaving us with an untried project of a qb who has taken half a dozen NFL snaps. Good thinking.
Smith has had a remarkable half-season, but I have no idea why so many people think he has now reached his ceiling. Apart from one brief year of Norv he has not really seen much in the way of quality coaching. He is still young and IMO, still developing. I expect to see a continuing improvement as Harbaugh works with him.
And of course the team will re-sign Smith. It would be ridiculous to let him walk.
If you think about what he is doing, why can't Kaep do that? Its not like we couldnt sign a vet like David Garrard for cheap. Nobody is downing Smith's accomplishments but it is too big of a risk to sign him to a HUGE CONTRACT again.
a lot of what Smith is doing is about recognition and experience. I don't think Kaep would be as successful, though I do think that Harbaugh would come up with a good scheme/system to help Kaep succeed.
The way this D is playing, and the ST, and the way we are coached, I think we could probably win this division with Kaep at QB, but not much more than that. With Smith we are actually a contender. There won't be a better FA veteran QB available after this season, and since Smith is a 27 year old, experienced vet who is just now realizing his potential, I see no problem with giving him a big contract.
I don't think we could win with Kaep. He bangs into the RB when he tries to hand off. He's nowhere near ready to start in the NFL.
we wouldn't be nearly as good, but we would win some games, maybe enough to win this division. With Kaep I'm assuming right now we'd have somewhere around 3 wins, with a chance to take the division with a sweep to get to 8-8.
but i agree, Kaep is not ready, and probably needs two more years to be effective.
Whatever contract Smith gets, it will not hurt the team. A) he's not going to demand to get a Peyton contract and B) our FO is very good at managing contracts in ways that don't cripple the team.
I agree. So resign him. The only thing better than 7 years Alex Smith is 8 years Alex Smith. Haters gonna hate...
a young, intelligent guy who is experienced but hasn't hit his ceiling and is liked and respected in the locker room, who won't demand an outrageous contract and who will certainly be the best available FA QB once again...I'm not sure what the debate is, really.
Yeah these guys think we are going to get Peyton Manning or Drew Brees in FA... We are not. So we have a QB who has 10 TD's, 2 Int's, a 97.3 rating, and is rated currently 6th in the NFL. He hasn't even had 2 years in the system or with the same current guys to practice and develop a chemistry. Like Braylon Edwards if we resign him. Some chemistry and continuity should automatically lead to a better Alex Smith next year. So if we are already at #6 in the league why can't that go up some more? I think he can have some more yards and be more effective next year. He's clearly the best WE CAN GET next offseason. I don't see all time greats dropping in like nothing in FA. You just can't get those guys. Those teams won't let them go.
Nov 13, 2011 at 8:14 AM
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Harbaugh says that Smith is an elite QB, and/or that he plays like an elite QB. If you think Harbaugh is a straight shooter, and no one has ever suggested he is not, his words indicate Smith will get a decent to good contract at the end of the year. CK has played four snaps this year...enough said.
Harbaugh likes Josh Johnson and has said that he is the most talented QB he has ever coached. So he may want to bring him in as a FA. Good, the team needs another good QB.
I really believe in incentive laden contracts. If Smith plays well in the second half of the season, something he has done the last two seasons, they should give him a good contract with numerous escalators for performance starting with easy to reach (playing most games), and going up to probowl, playoff incentives.
Thought all the nonsense about letting Smith walk so we can rely on a totally unknown rookie or second year player would stop by now but guess I overestimated the anti Smith sentiment of some.
Harbaugh likes Josh Johnson and has said that he is the most talented QB he has ever coached. So he may want to bring him in as a FA. Good, the team needs another good QB.
I really believe in incentive laden contracts. If Smith plays well in the second half of the season, something he has done the last two seasons, they should give him a good contract with numerous escalators for performance starting with easy to reach (playing most games), and going up to probowl, playoff incentives.
Thought all the nonsense about letting Smith walk so we can rely on a totally unknown rookie or second year player would stop by now but guess I overestimated the anti Smith sentiment of some.
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Nov 13, 2011 at 8:20 AM ]
Nov 13, 2011 at 8:19 AM
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I am shocked at the results of the poll. i voted to let smithy go. although he has been the answer this year for the organization, he is irrefutably not up to my standards as an individual player. you all wil realize this once the team needs him to win it because the defense could not hold off say aaron rodgers?i would be ok with another year but not long term