Crabtree and Alex needing chemistry...and there's only one person to blame

Crabs and Smith need chemistry? === share a joint?

If you watch the browns game.... It's Alex smiths fault. Too high, too low, too inaccurate. Low passes to Braylon and too high to Crabtree. The only reason why he ain't throwing picks is cause aint no body gonna catch the ones he is missing.

Originally posted by angelv05:
IMO the chemistry crap between Alex and Crabtree is overblown on the wz. They've had plenty of time during the season to get their timing down. I think Alex is simply inaccurate at times like every other QB in the NFL.

Exactly! Alex Smith is notorious for throwing high passes, he's done it his whole career. Alex is a great ball manager and is very intelligent but his accuracy is definitely lacking.

Originally posted by GOLD22VEINS:
If you watch the browns game.... It's Alex smiths fault. Too high, too low, too inaccurate. Low passes to Braylon and too high to Crabtree. The only reason why he ain't throwing picks is cause aint no body gonna catch the ones he is missing.

LOL!! Yeah, thats the ONLY reason.

Originally posted by maximill15:

Originally posted by ttime:

Originally posted by Canadian49er:

Alex's best throws with the best touch are to Vernon. He's dropped in some amazing balls in double and triple coverage to VD.But, when it comes to Crab, the balls are too high or too overthrown. Could it be Crabtree's speed deceiving Alex? MC seems to have nice acceleration but lacks consistent and breakaway speed. But that's not the main issue...

Crabtree misses A LOT of practice time with "injuries". How many training camps has he been to again? How many days of Camp Alex did he participate in?

It's no wonder they can't get on the same page.

Remember how good Alex and Battle were at being on the same page? Arnaz and Smith spent a lot of time together on the practice field...and it's the same situation with Vernon.

Hopefully this supposedly "team first" version of Crabtree starts putting in more work off the field. Alex to Crab has the potential to be potent if they can get on the same page Alex and Vernon are on.

The responsibility of the QB is to get the ball to the receiver, period. Alex has issues with accuracy. He has missed or thrown poor balls to all of his targets. His most recent interception was a poorly thrown ball to an open VD. He throws more poorly thrown balls to Crabtree because he likely understands that Crabtree is one of his best play makers and can more so catch the ball if he puts in in the vicinity.

It is quite ignorant to keep pointing to the time Crabtree missed as a result of an INJURY as evidence of some character flaw in an attempt to excuse Alex's flaws. Last year he was injured during training camp doing what? Trying to catch one of Alex's highly thrown balls. So Crabtree is on the practice field and becomes injured trying to catch the same types of poorly thrown balls that Alex is throwing during the game and its HIS fault???? That is pathetically discriminatory (And I didn't say racial).

So what he missed time, He and Alex have played together for nearly 21/2 seasons. Crabtree ran different routes than Morgan. If Alex doesn't know the difference between the two by now, he is much less intelligent than you all make him out to be.

With your reasoning, there would never be any completions in pick-up football games. This is not a bash Alex response either. It is intended to quash the continued attempts to create a character flaw; despite all of the evidence indicating otherwise.

If you watch the browns game.... It's Alex smiths fault. Too high, too low, too inaccurate. Low passes to Braylon and too high to Crabtree. The only reason why he ain't throwing picks is cause aint no body gonna catch the ones he is missing.

Originally posted by GOLD22VEINS:

Originally posted by maximill15:

Originally posted by ttime:

Originally posted by Canadian49er:
Alex's best throws with the best touch are to Vernon. He's dropped in some amazing balls in double and triple coverage to VD.But, when it comes to Crab, the balls are too high or too overthrown. Could it be Crabtree's speed deceiving Alex? MC seems to have nice acceleration but lacks consistent and breakaway speed. But that's not the main issue...

Crabtree misses A LOT of practice time with "injuries". How many training camps has he been to again? How many days of Camp Alex did he participate in?

It's no wonder they can't get on the same page.

Remember how good Alex and Battle were at being on the same page? Arnaz and Smith spent a lot of time together on the practice field...and it's the same situation with Vernon.

Hopefully this supposedly "team first" version of Crabtree starts putting in more work off the field. Alex to Crab has the potential to be potent if they can get on the same page Alex and Vernon are on.

The responsibility of the QB is to get the ball to the receiver, period. Alex has issues with accuracy. He has missed or thrown poor balls to all of his targets. His most recent interception was a poorly thrown ball to an open VD. He throws more poorly thrown balls to Crabtree because he likely understands that Crabtree is one of his best play makers and can more so catch the ball if he puts in in the vicinity.

It is quite ignorant to keep pointing to the time Crabtree missed as a result of an INJURY as evidence of some character flaw in an attempt to excuse Alex's flaws. Last year he was injured during training camp doing what? Trying to catch one of Alex's highly thrown balls. So Crabtree is on the practice field and becomes injured trying to catch the same types of poorly thrown balls that Alex is throwing during the game and its HIS fault???? That is pathetically discriminatory (And I didn't say racial).

So what he missed time, He and Alex have played together for nearly 21/2 seasons. Crabtree ran different routes than Morgan. If Alex doesn't know the difference between the two by now, he is much less intelligent than you all make him out to be.

With your reasoning, there would never be any completions in pick-up football games. This is not a bash Alex response either. It is intended to quash the continued attempts to create a character flaw; despite all of the evidence indicating otherwise.

If you watch the browns game.... It's Alex smiths fault. Too high, too low, too inaccurate. Low passes to Braylon and too high to Crabtree. The only reason why he ain't throwing picks is cause aint no body gonna catch the ones he is missing.

Yup.

Ant the only reason he has 9 TDs is because he missed the guy 10 yards behind the guy in the endzone.....9 times.

Originally posted by Canadian49er:
Alex's best throws with the best touch are to Vernon. He's dropped in some amazing balls in double and triple coverage to VD.But, when it comes to Crab, the balls are too high or too overthrown. Could it be Crabtree's speed deceiving Alex? MC seems to have nice acceleration but lacks consistent and breakaway speed. But that's not the main issue...

Crabtree misses A LOT of practice time with "injuries". How many training camps has he been to again? How many days of Camp Alex did he participate in?

It's no wonder they can't get on the same page.

Remember how good Alex and Battle were at being on the same page? Arnaz and Smith spent a lot of time together on the practice field...and it's the same situation with Vernon.

Hopefully this supposedly "team first" version of Crabtree starts putting in more work off the field. Alex to Crab has the potential to be potent if they can get on the same page Alex and Vernon are on.

Oh Lord! Here we go AGAIN. Dude! VD runs seam routes Crabtree runs fades and deep go routes down the side line. Alex has a tendancy to over throw those routes. Always has. Its not Crabtree its Alex.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by GOLD22VEINS:

Originally posted by maximill15:

Originally posted by ttime:

Originally posted by Canadian49er:

Alex's best throws with the best touch are to Vernon. He's dropped in some amazing balls in double and triple coverage to VD.But, when it comes to Crab, the balls are too high or too overthrown. Could it be Crabtree's speed deceiving Alex? MC seems to have nice acceleration but lacks consistent and breakaway speed. But that's not the main issue...

Crabtree misses A LOT of practice time with "injuries". How many training camps has he been to again? How many days of Camp Alex did he participate in?

It's no wonder they can't get on the same page.

Remember how good Alex and Battle were at being on the same page? Arnaz and Smith spent a lot of time together on the practice field...and it's the same situation with Vernon.

Hopefully this supposedly "team first" version of Crabtree starts putting in more work off the field. Alex to Crab has the potential to be potent if they can get on the same page Alex and Vernon are on.

The responsibility of the QB is to get the ball to the receiver, period. Alex has issues with accuracy. He has missed or thrown poor balls to all of his targets. His most recent interception was a poorly thrown ball to an open VD. He throws more poorly thrown balls to Crabtree because he likely understands that Crabtree is one of his best play makers and can more so catch the ball if he puts in in the vicinity.

It is quite ignorant to keep pointing to the time Crabtree missed as a result of an INJURY as evidence of some character flaw in an attempt to excuse Alex's flaws. Last year he was injured during training camp doing what? Trying to catch one of Alex's highly thrown balls. So Crabtree is on the practice field and becomes injured trying to catch the same types of poorly thrown balls that Alex is throwing during the game and its HIS fault???? That is pathetically discriminatory (And I didn't say racial).

So what he missed time, He and Alex have played together for nearly 21/2 seasons. Crabtree ran different routes than Morgan. If Alex doesn't know the difference between the two by now, he is much less intelligent than you all make him out to be.

With your reasoning, there would never be any completions in pick-up football games. This is not a bash Alex response either. It is intended to quash the continued attempts to create a character flaw; despite all of the evidence indicating otherwise.

If you watch the browns game.... It's Alex smiths fault. Too high, too low, too inaccurate. Low passes to Braylon and too high to Crabtree. The only reason why he ain't throwing picks is cause aint no body gonna catch the ones he is missing.

Yup.

Ant the only reason he has 9 TDs is because he missed the guy 10 yards behind the guy in the endzone.....9 times.

Ranked 31 in passing offense. Ya it's not Alex's fault

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by mustangmele:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Dude.....Seriously? AGAIN!?! I'm gonna blow a freakin' gasket.

How many times have we been over this? HE. WAS. HURT.

Where did he get hurt you ask? At the Alex SMith practice that you chastized him for not participating in. You know, the one where there was a lockout on and he had no obligation to attend and actually took a RISK of getting injured at.

He went there, got injured, but stayed for all of the meetings even after he was hurt.

Peeps REALLY need to get off this subject. Seriously. It's old and its tired.

Dude, you know the diva rep has little to do with him being hurt and not attending camp right? It has to do with 1) insinuating that Alex Smith was the problem last year, 2) having run in with teammates and 3) holding out for more money even though a fair offer was made. Not to mention holding out for more money while the economy was deteriorating and people all over the place were losing their jobs. Wrong timing for that!

He was acting like a diva back then so just admit it. He's starting to change and that's great for him and the team. But face the facts man he came off that way to a lot of people. It's not like this thread made itself out of thin blue air. People obviosuly agree. Again, though for the record he has appeared to change and good for him. I just hope it can stay this for the long haul.

OK, here we go....same old crap....

1) He didn't insinuate anything. He asked who the QB was. The guy is socially awkward. It was us as fans and the media that made that an issue, not him. If Josh Morgan had said the EXACT same thing, we'd never have said anything.

2) He had ONE run-in with ONE teammate. ONE. I guess arguing with Vernon Davis automatically qualifies you as a diva.

3) The holdout was a mistake. No question. The problem tho is that is has painted EVERYTHING this guy ever does with the diva brush. If the guy takes a piss but doesn't wash his hands its because he's a diva and doesn't want to be a Niner. Its really freakin' rediculous.

I do face the facts that some people interpreted his behavior as diva-ish. I can accept that. What is UNacceptable tho is that there appears to be almost nothing he can do to change that preconceived notion and people seem to fiond anything they can to jump on him...even when he plays well. Even when he is praised by his coaches. Even when the team says they have no issue with him. Even when he sacrifices for the team and switches position. Even when he blocks downfield in a very non-diva way.

I can accept that peeps think he's a diva. I challenge other people to allow for the fact that they may have been wrong all along. It won't happen.

completely agree, he should of signed when he was drafted, but if anything, Parker his agent should be blamed! Is frank gore a diva cause he tried to hold out? regardless of how long Franks hold out lasted, he held out as mustangmele said "for more money while the economy was deteriorating and people all over the place were losing their jobs" LOL which is bogus but can be applied here! Second if ANYONE should be labeled a DIVA in the slightest it should be VD. Every fight in practice involves VD, remember the guy who got kicked out of the game by Coach Dingleberry, remember the guy guaranteeing victories and telling the media that the other team quit, IT WASNT CRABTREE!

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Such a fantastic show.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think it's more of Alex trying to adjust to Crabtree than anything Crabtree is doing. Some passes the qb has to anticipate the speed of the receiver out of his break and lead him accurately. Other passes he has to throw high away form a defender and let the receiver jump for it, but those just takes a few inches to be too high and miss the receiver altogether. It's anticipating how far his receiver will jump for it. Then other passes where he's just throwing to a certain spot on a timing route and let the receiver get to it. It's mostly on Smith but he needs to work with Crabtree to get better. I don't see any way around it.

Best post of the bunch, really. Comes down to nothing more than this.

If Alex had Crabtree in practice every week and they ran these plays full speed, this would go a long way into perfecting the 11-15 connection.

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think it's more of Alex trying to adjust to Crabtree than anything Crabtree is doing. Some passes the qb has to anticipate the speed of the receiver out of his break and lead him accurately. Other passes he has to throw high away form a defender and let the receiver jump for it, but those just takes a few inches to be too high and miss the receiver altogether. It's anticipating how far his receiver will jump for it. Then other passes where he's just throwing to a certain spot on a timing route and let the receiver get to it. It's mostly on Smith but he needs to work with Crabtree to get better. I don't see any way around it.

Best post of the bunch, really. Comes down to nothing more than this.

If Alex had Crabtree in practice every week and they ran these plays full speed, this would go a long way into perfecting the 11-15 connection.

very good post indeed but what gamechanger said in the beginning is important too. if crabtree is late on his routes or isn't exactly where he is supposed to be smith more than likely begins his motion to throw it to the area crabtree should be and when he's not there he tries to adjust his throw mid motion which could send the ball over or in any other direction for that matter. as for deep balls being overthrown thats on smith and limited time playing with crabs definitely can be another major factor

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Why are we still talking about what's WRONG with Crabtree?

The guy has played well. He's nearly jumped out of the stadium going up for passes. He's been WIDE OPEN on more than one occasion and Alex simply missed him. If Alex completes those two passes in the last game, he's got 100+ more yards and 2 more TDs. Would we still be talking about what's wrong with him if he had over 150 yards and 3 TDs?

He's fine. Drop it.

This +11

Ok, so I've noticed a comical trend developing here in the Zone this year and it makes me smile! Has anybody else noticed the inordinate amount of crap being posted this year? In recent years, we would all be b***hing about the coaches, the o-line, Alex, blah, blah, blah, blah.... This year though, our team is kicking ass and taking names and we are relegated to finding something (read: ANYTHING) to talk about because we are all so amped up for the following Sunday (which by the way, seems like an eternity between games, whereas even as recently as last year, it seems like the minute a game ended, the next one began, as we piled up the Ls).....

Damn it feels good to be a NINER!!!!!!!!!

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