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jdt84_2
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Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Oh and yes, I so realize that we just won 4 straight road games on the East coast, something last done,unh, 20, 24 yrs ago...or was it longer. Hey that is no mean feat, but still we are going to need to be sharp for 60 mins next week. The Giants beat the Pats...in Foxborough...and they had a winning streak there going back 4 or 5 yrs. Watch out for the Giants..no slacking off against them if we get up on them. I just hope the D can rally for a 2nd half next week when we WILL need it.
i just think it is keeping it simple and making the teams execute to come back from, essentially, a 3-4 score lead and not give them a free one by being aggressive with a play they may not have 100% down. also they may still be working on more complicated plays and setting up better teams in the film room.
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cris_sonic
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playing down to lesser competition...? uh the Niners D haven't yet given up a single rushing touchdown through 10 weeks!
[ Edited by cris_sonic on Nov 7, 2011 at 12:19 AM ]
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BrianGO
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Our offense is almost 100% scheme. They perform roughly the same against good and bad defenses. The consistency is good, but the ceiling we have on this offense means that we have to depend on our defense and special teams to come through every week.
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Ether
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Originally posted by cris_sonic:
playing down to lesser competition...? uh the Niners D haven't yet given up a single rushing touchdown through 10 weeks!
Does anyone know the record for the # of games without giving up a rushing touchdown?
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BubbaParisMVP
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Why does this thread keep focusing on the offense? After all, it's the defense that is the engine of this team, the driver of our game day strategy, and the reason why we are winning.
The conservatism that we see on offense is a product of our exceptional defense and our Coach's conservative approach to the game at a strategic level. Consequently, if we want to talk about our tendency to be conservative and "play down," it seems to me that we should be talking about the defensive side of the ball.
On the previous page, Pasco raised a perennial Niners question that goes back to the Walsh and Seifert days, why are we sticking with the damned prevent D? Given what the Ravens and Steelers have done with their defenses in the past ten years, I think it's worth discussing why we aren't wielding our sledge hammer of a defense with both hands throughout the football game.
Whether we like it or not, the Ravens and the Steelers offer the most useful blue print for our future success. This isn't the XXIX team, nor will it ever be, as currently constructed.
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Jax49er
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Its the NFL. Saints beat the winless colts 62-7 only to turn around and lose to the winless rams the next week. Anything goes. A win is a win. /thread
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pasodoc9er
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No question a W is a W, and I had that prominently noted in the preceding page post.
Unh, Cris, no doubt we haven't given up a rushing TD in a long time, but that isn't the problem. The problem is laying off, giving the opponents a 10-15 yd area where we are iniviting and allowing them to go ahead and throw passes underneath. Doesn't matter if our run D is #1 in the world if the opponents are passing (and scoring on us). There is no question pass D has not been there in preceding yrs. Our "$86 mil shutdown corner" was a joke but we sure had good run D. How did we lose all those games yr after yr for 9 long yrs? On D it was the passing game, and our inability to stop it.
"Bend but don't break" is just a euphemism for " our passing D sucks and you can go ahead and torch it". I am in Bubba's corner here with go ahead ahead and play conservative O if we are ahead, but cripes, DO NOT play conservative D. You don't think conservative D calls with us up by 2 scores didn't give the momentum shift to the SKINS? At end of game they were jacked up, right until Vernon caught the onsides kick...and that is not a good omen. The D (or coaches) have now done that in 2 consecutive games, and we face Giants in 6 days. Cut them so slack on D and you can write in a L in our W/L column. I am foursquare against any let up at all on D, unless we are ahead by 4 scores, and then we can play the bench...but no playing loose, ie to lose. If scrubs come in, they play balz to the walls.
Maybe Coach H is doing this on purpose, and if so, i wouldn't expect him to tell us why he coached as he did the 2nd half of both last games. You know the old adage,
"If you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail". Well, we have a bunch of guys in the D backfield that are hammers. We should be using them as such. Against a team like Giants, Ravens, Steelers, GB, Pats, Saints, we will need our D to be a hammer the entire game. If we are lucky enough to get up on Giants, then our D should beat them with, as Bubba says, a bat. Playing NYG like we played the SKINS is a guaranteed L. The O is playing to win all game. The D, in 2nd half of last two games, is playing not to lose. And we all know what happens when you do that.
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nannite
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Here's what it looks like to play down to the Redskins:
http://live.advancednflstats.com/index.php?gameid1=2011110604
(that is a win-probability graph over the course of the game)
Also, heres Cleveland:
http://live.advancednflstats.com/weekly.php?gameid2=55276&week=8
And Seattle:
http://live.advancednflstats.com/weekly.php?gameid2=55175&week=1
These are the three games that we let teams come within a score late in the game, even though we dominated them for the most part. Those teams had practically no chance of every winning those games, even being within a score.
So our defense coming out with less intensity in the second half of some of these games, but that is because we are completely in control and those teams have no chance. It's fine to play down to inferior opponents late in games. The season is long and grueling and any rest these guys can get will be beneficial in the long run. As long as they can come out pumped against NYG next week and stay active for 60 minutes, there is no problem at all.
[ Edited by nannite on Nov 7, 2011 at 10:14 AM ]
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nannite
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To add to my previous post, I think that if we came out laser-focused and pumped like the season was on the line, we would have beat both the browns and redskins 48-3. But we would also be worn down by the end of the season if we did that every week. It's ok to play down to those teams because as those graphs show, they were never in those games. Our defense playing at half speed is good enough to stop half the offenses in this league.
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HessianDud
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wow, good find nannite.
I think we do enough to win games, no more, and no less. Each game is just one part of the season-long chess match.
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GolittaCamper
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We haven't been "Back on top" long enough to worry about style point, let's just be glad we don't suck anymore, save the complaining about HOW we win for after the next Superbowl title!
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NinerBuff
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Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
We haven't been "Back on top" long enough to worry about style point, let's just be glad we don't suck anymore, save the complaining about HOW we win for after the next Superbowl title!
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