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Interesting Stats on Throwing %, Drops and YAC I put together

if there were no drops throughout the NFL, Smith would still be at the bottom in terms of yardage.
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
if there were no drops throughout the NFL, Smith would still be at the bottom in terms of yardage.

dude. he only has 321 pass attempts. He's in the middle in YPA.
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
if there were no drops throughout the NFL, Smith would still be at the bottom in terms of yardage.

dude. he only has 321 pass attempts. He's in the middle in YPA.

also taking out the first couple of games in which the offense didnt really know the playbook he would definitally be in top 7 to top 10
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
if there were no drops throughout the NFL, Smith would still be at the bottom in terms of yardage.

dude. he only has 321 pass attempts. He's in the middle in YPA.

ur out of order.
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
if there were no drops throughout the NFL, Smith would still be at the bottom in terms of yardage.

dude. he only has 321 pass attempts. He's in the middle in YPA.

ur out of order.

Im in ur livin room, seducin ur kitteh.
[ Edited by NineFourNiner on Dec 6, 2011 at 2:33 PM ]
This is because BOTH Alex and his WRs commonly make mistakes. Drops, bad passes where the WR has to stop or leave his feet killing any chance of YAC and miscommunication
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by ChazBoner:
if there were no drops throughout the NFL, Smith would still be at the bottom in terms of yardage.

dude. he only has 321 pass attempts. He's in the middle in YPA.

ur out of order.

Im in ur livin room, seducin ur kitteh.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
I think Smith's inaccuracy is the result of the fallacy of common knowledge . You hear something so often that it becomes ingrained as the truth, whether accurate or not. Harbaugh stated Smith's accuracy as one of his greatest strengths...why would he say that if it were so obviously wrong? Watching Smith over the years I have always wondered how much was the scheme, coaching, WRs, etc.

When Smith and VD have a very good QBR together year after year I have concluded Smith is accurate when given a consistent target. VD is a workaholic who practices his routes and does a good job maintaining them on game day.

We started the year with Edwards and Morgan playing pretty well and now have played without either in a game Smith did not play well...not a coincidence. If and when we have a full receiving group for six or seven straight games I think you will see a very accurate QB.

I like Alex Smith, and even said we should bring him back (as a stop-gap though), well before Harbaugh became our coach. I think Alex Smith has pretty good accuracy, but he's not on the level of the ELITE quarterbacks in the league.

People who blindly defend Alex Smith will say that he's got one of the top completion percentages in the league, and thus is super-accurate. His accuracy plays a good chunk of that, but I think the real reason why he's got such great completion percentage is because of his decision-making. He doesn't force throws and throw low-percentage downfield passes. He throws in the short to intermediate range of the field and does a good job of that. (And that's a great thing! Coupled with our team's "formula" for victory, he's probably actually the best-fit for our team in the league)

I think though, if he threw balls a little more accurately and with timing, he could have some pretty monster numbers. Throwing a quick slant or a short hook route will yield some pretty high-completion percentages... but the BIG plays come from throwing the ball accurately so the receiver can run after the catch... How often do you see Aaron Rodgers hitting his WRs in stride in highlights, and they turn it into a big play? And then how often do you see wide receivers having to make a huge effort to catch a short Alex Smith pass? Often times, it's too high.

At this point in time, Alex DOES hit his receivers... but his ball placement needs improvement. Right now, he's doing a good job with it, but the offense would be so much more explosive if he had better ball placement. I think it's always getting better though. In particular, he's starting to get really good chemistry with Kyle Williams and Michael Crabtree. We're starting to see big plays through both short AND deep passes.
Drops without a doubt go on the receiver, but YAC is alot more complicated than just saying the receivers need to juke out more defenders. Better passing offenses get more YAC because the quarterback puts them in position to do so. Ball placement, hitting the receiver in stride, luring away defenders, buying extra time allowing a receiver to find an opening.

I'm not saying Alex doesn't do those things well, I'm just simply stating that you can't say we don't get the YAC other teams get so our receivers aren't helping Alex enough. Donald Driver breaking 6 tackles happened once doesn't happen that often though. Rodgers exploits coverages hits his receivers in stride and they do the rest.
alex looks like he does because of two things: OL got coached up, and JH. He's been the same guy all along, just left to drift by frigging Defensive HCs. NEVER hire a D coordinator as HC unless he has been an OC also.
The fact that GB, ATL, and BAL are right there in the top 10 (GB 11) tells you that drops don't dramatically affect passing results.

I would like to see a scatterplot on this and see how the correlation is. I think it will be more scattered than linear.
Originally posted by Joecool:
The fact that GB, ATL, and BAL are right there in the top 10 (GB 11) tells you that drops don't dramatically affect passing results.

I would like to see a scatterplot on this and see how the correlation is. I think it will be more scattered than linear.

3 of the teams with the best passing attacks in the NFL (Pats, Saints, Texans before Schaub got hurt) have a low amount of dropped balls
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by Joecool:
The fact that GB, ATL, and BAL are right there in the top 10 (GB 11) tells you that drops don't dramatically affect passing results.

I would like to see a scatterplot on this and see how the correlation is. I think it will be more scattered than linear.

3 of the teams with the best passing attacks in the NFL (Pats, Saints, Texans before Schaub got hurt) have a low amount of dropped balls

HOU is ranked 17th. Now throw in MIN, TEN, OAK, and WAS down their in the low drops and I think the correlation here is not very strong at all.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by Joecool:
The fact that GB, ATL, and BAL are right there in the top 10 (GB 11) tells you that drops don't dramatically affect passing results.

I would like to see a scatterplot on this and see how the correlation is. I think it will be more scattered than linear.

3 of the teams with the best passing attacks in the NFL (Pats, Saints, Texans before Schaub got hurt) have a low amount of dropped balls

HOU is ranked 17th. Now throw in MIN, TEN, OAK, and WAS down their in the low drops and I think the correlation here is not very strong at all.

Drops by themselves, no. That is not sufficient data to judge.