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Originally posted by est1985:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't see their guys having hands like Ginn and Edwards and even VD ocassionally. This team still has way too many drops. NFL wr's / te's are supposed to be able to catch. Like hitting the guy between the 1 and the 9 and getting a drop. Or a perfect 50 yard bomb, hitting a guy in full stride, on the finger tips....DROP.

GB and NE have among the best "hands" team guys in the league.

Green Bay has alot of hands problems. They had the same amount of drops as us going into the Giant game and then added 6 drops in that game alone. Rodgers still put up 380 yards and 38 points so you'd never know the difference. James Jones has the worse pair of hands in the league and Finley drops some too.

The last person to have drop problems for New England was Ben Watson. With them it's by product of their environment. They don't put up with any sh*t. You can't catch the ball they'll drop you on the spot.

You can't compare our drops to GB's drops; they throw twice as much as we do.

408 attempts for Rodgers
321 for Alex

Im no rocket magician but I dont think 408 is twice as much as 321
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

So options? I'm fine with bringing back Alex. I'm fine with Kap as the starter. I'd be fine Tolzien if JH thought he was the man, or I'd be happy if we signed Josh Johnson as a free agent. As long as we have Harbaugh as our head coach, bring it on.

Let me start by saying I have read and comprehended all of your posts over these days. (shame on you for going so low on the "nut-hugger" bit)

But this part... this part just leaves me .

We finally have a QB steadily in the top 10 and helping us to a record of 10-2... and you would "be fine and happy if we signed ______ or started ______ while dumping said proven QB ???


Does this not leave most people (aside from clear detractors) not doing this??? ---->

You missed the first part where I say "I'm fine with bringing back Alex." So I said nothing about wanting to dump Alex or that we should or that he deserves to be kicked aside or anything like that, only that if Harbaugh decided that Kap was ready (they traded up to get him for a reason), I would trust that. And if he wanted Alex back as the long-term starter, I would trust that too. And why wouldn't I?
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by est1985:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't see their guys having hands like Ginn and Edwards and even VD ocassionally. This team still has way too many drops. NFL wr's / te's are supposed to be able to catch. Like hitting the guy between the 1 and the 9 and getting a drop. Or a perfect 50 yard bomb, hitting a guy in full stride, on the finger tips....DROP.

GB and NE have among the best "hands" team guys in the league.

Green Bay has alot of hands problems. They had the same amount of drops as us going into the Giant game and then added 6 drops in that game alone. Rodgers still put up 380 yards and 38 points so you'd never know the difference. James Jones has the worse pair of hands in the league and Finley drops some too.

The last person to have drop problems for New England was Ben Watson. With them it's by product of their environment. They don't put up with any sh*t. You can't catch the ball they'll drop you on the spot.

You can't compare our drops to GB's drops; they throw twice as much as we do.

408 attempts for Rodgers
321 for Alex

Im no rocket magician but I dont think 408 is twice as much as 321

Rocket magician? They good at counting?
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Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
You missed the first part where I say "I'm fine with bringing back Alex." So I said nothing about wanting to dump Alex or that we should or that he deserves to be kicked aside or anything like that, only that if Harbaugh decided that Kap was ready (they traded up to get him for a reason), I would trust that. And if he wanted Alex back as the long-term starter, I would trust that too. And why wouldn't I?

I totally agree with this. Before the season many on here (myself not included as I wanted Alex back regardless) said the ONLY reason they would accept Alex back is because Harbaugh trusted him and they trusted Harbaugh.

Fast forward to today and Jim Harbaugh's no better than any other coach, Alex Smith is Jesus and guys who say Alex is playing great but still trust Harbaugh to make the correct call regarding the QB position are haters.

Originally posted by valrod33:
408 attempts for Rodgers
321 for Alex

Im no rocket magician but I dont think 408 is twice as much as 321



It was more of a figure of speech on my part. Regardless though, they throw the ball down the field a whole lot more than we do and those are a lot harder to connect than the check downs we throw. And we still drop so many short/check down throws. 
Originally posted by est1985:
Originally posted by valrod33:
408 attempts for Rodgers
321 for Alex

Im no rocket magician but I dont think 408 is twice as much as 321



It was more of a figure of speech on my part. Regardless though, they throw the ball down the field a whole lot more than we do and those are a lot harder to connect than the check downs we throw. And we still drop so many short/check down throws.
Actually my view of that would be the more throws you have, the more drops you should have seeing how there are more chances for drops. If you have more drops with less thows, that means you are dropping more passes. But, I don't even know the conversation going on here so I could be completely off base.
Rocket magicians make space disappear!
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Rocket magicians make space disappear!

Paraphrasing what was said earlier this year:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
I can see it now, whenever Alex makes a single mistake, all we're going to hear is: "Lambabi, OH TEE CEE, DEE JAY, San deeaygo 9er, wayhre yoo at now jok sniffrs!?"
[ Edited by OnTheClock on Dec 7, 2011 at 12:55 PM ]
Originally posted by est1985:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't see their guys having hands like Ginn and Edwards and even VD ocassionally. This team still has way too many drops. NFL wr's / te's are supposed to be able to catch. Like hitting the guy between the 1 and the 9 and getting a drop. Or a perfect 50 yard bomb, hitting a guy in full stride, on the finger tips....DROP.

GB and NE have among the best "hands" team guys in the league.

Green Bay has alot of hands problems. They had the same amount of drops as us going into the Giant game and then added 6 drops in that game alone. Rodgers still put up 380 yards and 38 points so you'd never know the difference. James Jones has the worse pair of hands in the league and Finley drops some too.

The last person to have drop problems for New England was Ben Watson. With them it's by product of their environment. They don't put up with any sh*t. You can't catch the ball they'll drop you on the spot.

You can't compare our drops to GB's drops; they throw twice as much as we do.

I dont follow GB all that much, but even if our numbers were spot on, I have to say the difference between the two teams drop's, is the quality of drops.

For some reason we seem to drop the ball more at crucial times. Mostly converting on 3rd downs. We all talk about how bad that stat is, and not everytime, but it seems like whether a short or long third down, the main 2 things that happen is either we drop the ball, or we may get a penalty for 5 yards, or sumthing.

Like I said, its hard to compare the drops because they seem to catch them the most during those crucial moments in GB, and us, we tend to drop or have a miscue somewhere.
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Actually my view of that would be the more throws you have, the more drops you should have seeing how there are more chances for drops. If you have more drops with less thows, that means you are dropping more passes. But, I don't even know the conversation going on here so I could be completely off base.

Statistically wise the more throws you have, the more the drop percentage stabilizes, and coupled with the more defenses the team plays against, the number will be more indicative about the passing game that team has.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
I agree in that I think Alex can get better and likely will if he stays with Harbaugh. By the same token, I think guys like Romo/Rivers (and even Bradford, over time) could become more efficient passers under the Harbaugh approach (great defense/special teams, power run game and strategic use of the passing game). In other words, I think they can make all the plays Smith does, and a number of the ones he can't. But that's just my opinion and i realize I could be wrong.

I disagree, because what sets Smith apart now is his maturity. He's been through the ringer as far as a professional career goes and he's only 27 (seriously, you can't make up the ebb and flow of his career. If Hollywood had written a movie like this it would be criticized for being over the top). Romo is 31, Rivers is about to turn 30 and I would have to say that maturity level, ability to maintain cool and keep an even keel in order to guide and lead a team are the shortcomings these guys have. There is so much more to football than physical ability and it is in the intangibles, game management, etc that these guys are lacking. Alex has always had physical skill--even if his is not the best in the league--but now he is among the best in preparation, knowledge, maturity, leadership. That's why I still take him.
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Originally posted by ninermedic:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
I agree in that I think Alex can get better and likely will if he stays with Harbaugh. By the same token, I think guys like Romo/Rivers (and even Bradford, over time) could become more efficient passers under the Harbaugh approach (great defense/special teams, power run game and strategic use of the passing game). In other words, I think they can make all the plays Smith does, and a number of the ones he can't. But that's just my opinion and i realize I could be wrong.

I disagree, because what sets Smith apart now is his maturity. He's been through the ringer as far as a professional career goes and he's only 27 (seriously, you can't make up the ebb and flow of his career. If Hollywood had written a movie like this it would be criticized for being over the top). Romo is 31, Rivers is about to turn 30 and I would have to say that maturity level, ability to maintain cool and keep an even keel in order to guide and lead a team are the shortcomings these guys have. There is so much more to football than physical ability and it is in the intangibles, game management, etc that these guys are lacking. Alex has always had physical skill--even if his is not the best in the league--but now he is among the best in preparation, knowledge, maturity, leadership. That's why I still take him.

Difficult to imagine Smith elsewhere next year
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/niners-talk/post/Difficult-to-imagine-Smith-elsewhere-nex?blockID=607678&feedID=5884

I agree with this and I cant wait until The Niners can get a full offseason of work together
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Originally posted by est1985:
Originally posted by valrod33:
408 attempts for Rodgers
321 for Alex

Im no rocket magician but I dont think 408 is twice as much as 321



It was more of a figure of speech on my part. Regardless though, they throw the ball down the field a whole lot more than we do and those are a lot harder to connect than the check downs we throw. And we still drop so many short/check down throws.
Actually my view of that would be the more throws you have, the more drops you should have seeing how there are more chances for drops. If you have more drops with less thows, that means you are dropping more passes. But, I don't even know the conversation going on here so I could be completely off base.

Please see my thread aboutnstats or refer to oTC's comments about a dozen pages earlier. % ofndrops per att has 9ers at #2 by a distance. Gb's 6 drops last game makes it look different than it has been for them all season. They were one of the teams with the fewest drops per pass.