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Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think having big receivers help in the red zone area, especially inside the 15-10yds. They are able to shield and jump for a catch. As of right now other than VD and Crabtree there's no one that fit that criteria. Both Braylon and Morgan are hurt. Ginn and Williams are smallish. D. Walker can help. They should involved him more, but I don't know that he has the catching experience to do a good job. He has proven people wrong thus far on the other things he wasn't suppose to be able to do.
In the redzone players are packed tighter together. Defenders can closed quickly in a tighten field of play. Speed of the offense is a bit neutralized because of this. So size is the overriding factor in this situation.
Tom Brady doesn't have big receivers.
I think it's just a matter of play design or throwing a receiver open or the ability to squeeze it in super tight spots...no homo.
Gronkowski is 6-6 and 265 pounds.
and has a s**t ton of TD's as well
Joe you aren't making this easy on yourself whatsoever
And we have Vernon. What's your point?
Gronk is a 6'6 lanky pass catching TE, he's bigger then Vernon and catches better then Vernon, Gronk is a more natural pass catcher but cant block for s**t.
Point is Brady does have a big target and by the amount of TD's he constantly gets and the records he's breaking Brady uses him a lot.
My point was if Brady does than so do we. I thought Vernon was one of the best tight ends in the league. Also, crabtrees long arms make him much taller than 6'2" because he is also "lanky".
Joe ...JESUS CHRIST
Gronk is 5 inches taller, his arms are the same length as Crabs, and he can jump higher. HE IS A BIGGER TARGET!!
And where the hell in, "Tom Brady doesn't have big receivers. I think it's just a matter of play design or throwing a receiver open or the ability to squeeze it in super tight spots". Does it mean, "My point was if Brady does than so do we."
Brady has bigger guys, its a physical advantage, it has nothing to do with Brady's superior throwing ability that you so subtlely remarked at. When it comes to going up and getting it, the bigger guy wins. That's why we want a 6'3 or bigger WR next year, for that very purpose.
Do you pay attention to any other teams?
Gronk is only 3 inches taller than Vernon. Their other two targets are 5'9".
Vernon is 6'3" with a very high vertical. Crabtree is 6'1" and was scouted with longer arms than his height.
The original comment was that our receivers are short and that's why we don't score. Brady doesn't exactly have height all around. Gronk has three inches but Vernon has he vertical. So I don't see how that makes us so short in our targets.
Our targets are all pretty small other than Vernon. Look at the roster..... And don't give me "Braylon Edwards." When was the last consistent time period you saw him healthy?
Yes and so are NEs besides Gronk.
I don't see their guys having hands like Ginn and Edwards and even VD ocassionally. This team still has way too many drops. NFL wr's / te's are supposed to be able to catch. Like hitting the guy between the 1 and the 9 and getting a drop. Or a perfect 50 yard bomb, hitting a guy in full stride, on the finger tips....DROP.
GB and NE have among the best "hands" team guys in the league.