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Alex Smith Thread

Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
We should put Kaep in when we get in the redzone. It's clear Harbaugh has zero confidence in Smith to throw the ball in that area. As Steve Young said, "nobody is open in the redzone." And we need a guy with much bigger testicles that isn't afraid to sling it. As the QB coach said in the Raven's game, we need someone who is bold.

You are so much better than this. Smh.

how do you figure?
Lol

Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think having big receivers help in the red zone area, especially inside the 15-10yds. They are able to shield and jump for a catch. As of right now other than VD and Crabtree there's no one that fit that criteria. Both Braylon and Morgan are hurt. Ginn and Williams are smallish. D. Walker can help. They should involved him more, but I don't know that he has the catching experience to do a good job. He has proven people wrong thus far on the other things he wasn't suppose to be able to do.

In the redzone players are packed tighter together. Defenders can closed quickly in a tighten field of play. Speed of the offense is a bit neutralized because of this. So size is the overriding factor in this situation.

Tom Brady doesn't have big receivers.

I think it's just a matter of play design or throwing a receiver open or the ability to squeeze it in super tight spots...no homo.

Gronkowski is 6-6 and 265 pounds.

and has a s**t ton of TD's as well

Joe you aren't making this easy on yourself whatsoever

And we have Vernon. What's your point?

you said that Brady doesn't have big receivers and that its a matter of throwing them open, or play design.

But Brady does have big receivers.

throwing them open and play design is a big part of it, as is the awareness of the receiver.

but saying brady doesn't have big receivers is false. that's the point.

That was all based off of the fact that he said we didn't either so in that thinking, Brady doesn't either. Then if you want to then say he has gronk then I can say we have Vernon.

And how would you explain Wes welker being in the top five.

wha? you said, "Brady doesn't have big receivers." that's a declarative statement, not an if/then. Either you didn't articulate well or you are sloppily covering your ass. Anyway, it doesn't matter; you are right that play design and accuracy have a huge role in red zone effectiveness. But so do big receivers, or receivers who are able to position themselves well in tight spaces.

Welker is in the top 5 because he's a top 5 receiver. His awareness, route running, hands, ability with the ball in his hands, communication with the QB, and understanding of the offense are elite.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Originally posted by Baugh_Area:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Come on now, don't you start oldman. We're just trying to have a civilized conversation...with a bunch of nutjobs!!! I don't know how many times I have to say that I love the way Smith is playing this year, and I'm excited that he's led this team to a 10-2 record. But because (when asked) I think guys like Rivers, Romo and even Bradford would do just as well in this system (or maybe better), all of a sudden I'm a hater?

Makes no sense.

I can't understand it either Ghost

At this point I see nothing left to do but...



Not a hater, but I just don't see what those guys have done? Romo? He has cost his team many games this season. Look at the Detroit game where they blew a huge lead due to Romo's stupid mistakes. Rivers fumbled a ball in the redzone and blew a game. He's also thrown quite a few picks this season at crucial times, Bradford he's having a worse season than Alex had his 2nd season by far, but he's somehow better?

These guys get more yards and amazing plays, but that also leaves them vulnerable to making big mistakes. Huge mistakes. Why would that change here?

~Romo with one of the top defenses in the league (ours) would be a better option than Smith (IMO) as he wouldn't have to play such a high risk game
~Rivers when playing with one of the better defenses in the league (Chargers 2006 - 2009) led his team to multiple playoffs (Smith is going to his first playoffs)
~Bradford had a better rookie season than Smith by far. In fact, Bradford's rookie season was better on most counts than any of Smith's seasons prior to this one. I'm not going to discount Bradford for one bad season (his second), just as I'm sure you didn't discount Smith for his multiple bad seasons prior to this one.
So your answer is...? Trade for Romo, Rivers, or Bradford? Or just complain incessantly about our QB is playing excellent football and has led our team to 10-2?

The hate just runs DEEP in some people, they can't let go.

Dude, seriously? You didn't even bother to read my other posts on the last few pages. You just assume things and comment without bothering to look for any context, all the good things I've been saying about Alex (in the past and especially today), how I agreed with Harbaugh in bringing back Alex and for keeping him as the starter all year and even beyond if we win it all, and why I'm talking about these other QBs?

People, READ and COMPREHEND before you reply, I beg you.

Your backpedal technique is excellent today, sir! You should see if your local high school JV team needs a DB coach

Show me where I've backpedaled. Please.

It's all good man. If I somehow Jedi mind tricked you into saying positive things about Alex Smith, then today was a success.

LOL @ keeping Alex Smith "if we win it all." As if his play so far this season doesn't already warrant that.

Come on man, PLEASE give us some options at QB that you think we should pursue. And if you say that we should bring in Kaepernick in the red zone I might flip out

Pot, meet backpedaling kettle.

If Alex melts down in the playoffs (I hope he doesn't, and I don't think he will), it won't be as clear cut as you might think that we bring him back. I've already said (if you'll bother to read) that there are no other options this year, we're living and dying with Alex for the rest of this year and I'm perfectly fine with that. I really can't say that any more clearly, but I'm sure you'll ignore that too since it doesn't fit your meme.

As for the future, I would be as confident in Kap starting the 2012 season as I would Alex if Harbaugh felt he was ready. It's the same reason I had confidence in Alex once Harbaugh said he wanted him back. Point being, I have confidence in HARBAUGH to turn his starting QB into a winner, regardless of who it is. Which is why I can say that Romo, Rivers, Bradford, whomever, would thrive in this system.

So options? I'm fine with bringing back Alex. I'm fine with Kap as the starter. I'd be fine Tolzien if JH thought he was the man, or I'd be happy if we signed Josh Johnson as a free agent. As long as we have Harbaugh as our head coach, bring it on.
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Dec 6, 2011 at 9:25 PM ]
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Originally posted by Baugh_Area:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Come on now, don't you start oldman. We're just trying to have a civilized conversation...with a bunch of nutjobs!!! I don't know how many times I have to say that I love the way Smith is playing this year, and I'm excited that he's led this team to a 10-2 record. But because (when asked) I think guys like Rivers, Romo and even Bradford would do just as well in this system (or maybe better), all of a sudden I'm a hater?

Makes no sense.

I can't understand it either Ghost

At this point I see nothing left to do but...



Not a hater, but I just don't see what those guys have done? Romo? He has cost his team many games this season. Look at the Detroit game where they blew a huge lead due to Romo's stupid mistakes. Rivers fumbled a ball in the redzone and blew a game. He's also thrown quite a few picks this season at crucial times, Bradford he's having a worse season than Alex had his 2nd season by far, but he's somehow better?

These guys get more yards and amazing plays, but that also leaves them vulnerable to making big mistakes. Huge mistakes. Why would that change here?

~Romo with one of the top defenses in the league (ours) would be a better option than Smith (IMO) as he wouldn't have to play such a high risk game
~Rivers when playing with one of the better defenses in the league (Chargers 2006 - 2009) led his team to multiple playoffs (Smith is going to his first playoffs)
~Bradford had a better rookie season than Smith by far. In fact, Bradford's rookie season was better on most counts than any of Smith's seasons prior to this one. I'm not going to discount Bradford for one bad season (his second), just as I'm sure you didn't discount Smith for his multiple bad seasons prior to this one.
So your answer is...? Trade for Romo, Rivers, or Bradford? Or just complain incessantly about our QB is playing excellent football and has led our team to 10-2?

The hate just runs DEEP in some people, they can't let go.

Dude, seriously? You didn't even bother to read my other posts on the last few pages. You just assume things and comment without bothering to look for any context, all the good things I've been saying about Alex (in the past and especially today), how I agreed with Harbaugh in bringing back Alex and for keeping him as the starter all year and even beyond if we win it all, and why I'm talking about these other QBs?

People, READ and COMPREHEND before you reply, I beg you.

Your backpedal technique is excellent today, sir! You should see if your local high school JV team needs a DB coach

Show me where I've backpedaled. Please.

It's all good man. If I somehow Jedi mind tricked you into saying positive things about Alex Smith, then today was a success.

LOL @ keeping Alex Smith "if we win it all." As if his play so far this season doesn't already warrant that.

Come on man, PLEASE give us some options at QB that you think we should pursue. And if you say that we should bring in Kaepernick in the red zone I might flip out

Pot, meet backpedaling kettle.

If Alex melts down in the playoffs (I hope he doesn't, and I don't think he will), it won't be as clear cut as you might think that we bring him back. I've already said (if you'll bother to read) that there are no other options this year, we're living and dying with Alex for the rest of this year and I'm perfectly fine with that. I really can't say that any more clearly, but I'm sure you'll ignore that too since it doesn't fit your meme.

As for the future, I would be as confident in Kap starting the 2012 season as I would Alex if Harbaugh felt he was ready. It's the same reason I had confidence in Alex once Harbaugh said he wanted him back. Point being, I have confidence in HARBAUGH to turn his starting QB into a winner, regardless of who it is. Which is why I can say that Romo, Rivers, Bradford, whomever, would thrive in this system.

You have some backpedalling competition from JoeCool. Get to work
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Originally posted by Baugh_Area:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Come on now, don't you start oldman. We're just trying to have a civilized conversation...with a bunch of nutjobs!!! I don't know how many times I have to say that I love the way Smith is playing this year, and I'm excited that he's led this team to a 10-2 record. But because (when asked) I think guys like Rivers, Romo and even Bradford would do just as well in this system (or maybe better), all of a sudden I'm a hater?

Makes no sense.

I can't understand it either Ghost

At this point I see nothing left to do but...



Not a hater, but I just don't see what those guys have done? Romo? He has cost his team many games this season. Look at the Detroit game where they blew a huge lead due to Romo's stupid mistakes. Rivers fumbled a ball in the redzone and blew a game. He's also thrown quite a few picks this season at crucial times, Bradford he's having a worse season than Alex had his 2nd season by far, but he's somehow better?

These guys get more yards and amazing plays, but that also leaves them vulnerable to making big mistakes. Huge mistakes. Why would that change here?

~Romo with one of the top defenses in the league (ours) would be a better option than Smith (IMO) as he wouldn't have to play such a high risk game
~Rivers when playing with one of the better defenses in the league (Chargers 2006 - 2009) led his team to multiple playoffs (Smith is going to his first playoffs)
~Bradford had a better rookie season than Smith by far. In fact, Bradford's rookie season was better on most counts than any of Smith's seasons prior to this one. I'm not going to discount Bradford for one bad season (his second), just as I'm sure you didn't discount Smith for his multiple bad seasons prior to this one.
So your answer is...? Trade for Romo, Rivers, or Bradford? Or just complain incessantly about our QB is playing excellent football and has led our team to 10-2?

The hate just runs DEEP in some people, they can't let go.

Dude, seriously? You didn't even bother to read my other posts on the last few pages. You just assume things and comment without bothering to look for any context, all the good things I've been saying about Alex (in the past and especially today), how I agreed with Harbaugh in bringing back Alex and for keeping him as the starter all year and even beyond if we win it all, and why I'm talking about these other QBs?

People, READ and COMPREHEND before you reply, I beg you.

Your backpedal technique is excellent today, sir! You should see if your local high school JV team needs a DB coach

Show me where I've backpedaled. Please.

It's all good man. If I somehow Jedi mind tricked you into saying positive things about Alex Smith, then today was a success.

LOL @ keeping Alex Smith "if we win it all." As if his play so far this season doesn't already warrant that.

Come on man, PLEASE give us some options at QB that you think we should pursue. And if you say that we should bring in Kaepernick in the red zone I might flip out

Pot, meet backpedaling kettle.

If Alex melts down in the playoffs (I hope he doesn't, and I don't think he will), it won't be as clear cut as you might think that we bring him back. I've already said (if you'll bother to read) that there are no other options this year, we're living and dying with Alex for the rest of this year and I'm perfectly fine with that. I really can't say that any more clearly, but I'm sure you'll ignore that too since it doesn't fit your meme.

As for the future, I would be as confident in Kap starting the 2012 season as I would Alex if Harbaugh felt he was ready. It's the same reason I had confidence in Alex once Harbaugh said he wanted him back. Point being, I have confidence in HARBAUGH to turn his starting QB into a winner, regardless of who it is. Which is why I can say that Romo, Rivers, Bradford, whomever, would thrive in this system.

You have some backpedalling competition from JoeCool. Get to work

Still waiting for you to show me where I backpedaled. Oh wait, you can't. That's right. Shame. You can be a smart ass all night long, but can't actually back up what you're saying. Now I'm starting to feel sorry for you!
What I'm saying with VD and Crabtree in the redzone, especially close to the end zone is that VD is usually double teamed and gets a lot of attention from 2 defenders. Crabtree is the only other one who has the size to make that TD catch. But if he can't get open or somehow got 'caught up', we don't have a 3rd option. Another big guy to make that catch in the end zone. Braylon and Morgan should have been those options but they are hurt.

The way I see us overcoming that is for us to start throwing into the end zone from about 30-20 yards out to take advantage of the speed and quickness of Ginn and Williams. And not wait until we get inside the 15-10, where their speed becomes less of an advantage and their size becomes a detriment. Pretty sure this is why we saw some balls thrown to Ginn and Williams in the Rams game. I could be wrong on the distance but I think it came around about the 20s or beyond.

We can play fake the run then throw when we get very close to the goal line, but that only works for so long until it gets predictable. We really need Braylon back into the lineup. And it's ashamed that Morgan is lost for the season.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Dec 6, 2011 at 9:47 PM ]
Alex Smith is 10-2, has 3 times as many TDs as INTs, and as a 90+ passer rating. It's hard to argue that he isn't getting the job done. For anyone sayin Harbaugh doesn't have confidence in Alex Smith you're nuts. He's shown over and over that he does.
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
What I'm saying with VD and Crabtree in the redzone, especially close to the end zone is that VD is usually double teamed and gets a lot of attention for 2 defenders. Crabtree is the only other one who has the size to make that TD catch. But if he can't get open or somehow got 'caught up', we don't have a 3rd option. Another big guy to make that catch in the end zone. Braylon and Morgan should have been those options but they are hurt.

They way I see us overcoming that is for us to start throwing into the end zone from about 30-20 yards out to take advantage of the speed and quickness of Ginn and Williams. And not wait until we get inside the 15-10, where their speed becomes less of an advantage and their size becomes a detriment.

We can play fake the run then throw when we get very close to the goal line, but that only works for so long until it gets predictable. We really need Braylon back into the lineup. And it's ashamed that Morgan is lost for the season.

i agree. honestly, we don't have anyone, really, who has established himself as a legit red zone weapon. VD has all the measurables, but he just doesn't seem to have the awareness to find soft spots quickly or, frankly, the ability to out-position and out-fight double teams. As talented as he is, he has limits, IMO. Crabtree might be the guy, but he's still developing. Edwards, just the presence of him, is a threat that we are lacking, but if he can't stay healthy it doesn't matter.

Wililams seems to have the hands, aggressiveness, and route-running necessary, but not much size.

I think the idea of expanding our "red zone" is a great one. the closer we get to the goal line it seems the less likely we are to score. And that is as much on playcalling as on the players, IMO.
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Alex Smith is 10-2, has 3 times as many TDs as INTs, and as a 90+ passer rating. It's hard to argue that he isn't getting the job done. For anyone sayin Harbaugh doesn't have confidence in Alex Smith you're nuts. He's shown over and over that he does.

A Boomer sighting. Holy crap.


Now back on topic, as a previous poster mentioned, our primary Red Zone targets in the past were Morgan (often used on the corner route) and Vernon (stick route).

Braylon was supposed to help with being the jump ball guy. He's dropped a few he got his hands on, and now he's hurt and not much of a factor.

Spreading the field make sense. It opens up the possibility of more quick routes, QB draw, RB shovel pass, etc. -- We need to give it a shot, in my opinion.
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Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Pot, meet backpedaling kettle.

If Alex melts down in the playoffs (I hope he doesn't, and I don't think he will), it won't be as clear cut as you might think that we bring him back. I've already said (if you'll bother to read) that there are no other options this year, we're living and dying with Alex for the rest of this year and I'm perfectly fine with that. I really can't say that any more clearly, but I'm sure you'll ignore that too since it doesn't fit your meme.

As for the future, I would be as confident in Kap starting the 2012 season as I would Alex if Harbaugh felt he was ready. It's the same reason I had confidence in Alex once Harbaugh said he wanted him back. Point being, I have confidence in HARBAUGH to turn his starting QB into a winner, regardless of who it is. Which is why I can say that Romo, Rivers, Bradford, whomever, would thrive in this system.

So options? I'm fine with bringing back Alex. I'm fine with Kap as the starter. I'd be fine Tolzien if JH thought he was the man, or I'd be happy if we signed Josh Johnson as a free agent. As long as we have Harbaugh as our head coach, bring it on.

Good post. I agree.

In Harbaugh I trust.
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
A Boomer sighting. Holy crap.


Now back on topic, as a previous poster mentioned, our primary Red Zone targets in the past were Morgan (often used on the corner route) and Vernon (stick route).

Braylon was supposed to help with being the jump ball guy. He's dropped a few he got his hands on, and now he's hurt and not much of a factor.

Spreading the field make sense. It opens up the possibility of more quick routes, QB draw, RB shovel pass, etc. -- We need to give it a shot, in my opinion.

The funny thing is... I think Williams is the only receiver who's actually managed to catch the fade route this season.
Originally posted by HessianDud:
wha? you said, "Brady doesn't have big receivers." that's a declarative statement, not an if/then. Either you didn't articulate well or you are sloppily covering your ass. Anyway, it doesn't matter; you are right that play design and accuracy have a huge role in red zone effectiveness. But so do big receivers, or receivers who are able to position themselves well in tight spaces.

Welker is in the top 5 because he's a top 5 receiver. His awareness, route running, hands, ability with the ball in his hands, communication with the QB, and understanding of the offense are elite.
Brady's been doing his thing alot longer than last season. Before Gronkowski, and even before Moss too.

And Vernon had a 13 touchdown season not too long ago. You go back to that year and Alex/ Hill threaded alot of seam passes (7) in the endzone to Vernon. I think we play more conservatively than before in the red zone because we know just how good our defense is.
[ Edited by tjd808185 on Dec 6, 2011 at 10:33 PM ]
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
A Boomer sighting. Holy crap.


Now back on topic, as a previous poster mentioned, our primary Red Zone targets in the past were Morgan (often used on the corner route) and Vernon (stick route).

Braylon was supposed to help with being the jump ball guy. He's dropped a few he got his hands on, and now he's hurt and not much of a factor.

Spreading the field make sense. It opens up the possibility of more quick routes, QB draw, RB shovel pass, etc. -- We need to give it a shot, in my opinion.

The funny thing is... I think Williams is the only receiver who's actually managed to catch the fade route this season.

I think I've seen Smith throw the back-shoulder fade to Crabtree and Braylon both at least two or three times. One Crabtree only got one foot in, and I think the other was dropped.
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
A Boomer sighting. Holy crap.


Now back on topic, as a previous poster mentioned, our primary Red Zone targets in the past were Morgan (often used on the corner route) and Vernon (stick route).

Braylon was supposed to help with being the jump ball guy. He's dropped a few he got his hands on, and now he's hurt and not much of a factor.

Spreading the field make sense. It opens up the possibility of more quick routes, QB draw, RB shovel pass, etc. -- We need to give it a shot, in my opinion.

The funny thing is... I think Williams is the only receiver who's actually managed to catch the fade route this season.

Some guys can out play their size. Hopefully Williams is one. In the end size may not matter. If he has shown he can do it, why not throw to him. Steve Smith just gets it done. Maybe Williams too.
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
A Boomer sighting. Holy crap.


Now back on topic, as a previous poster mentioned, our primary Red Zone targets in the past were Morgan (often used on the corner route) and Vernon (stick route).

Braylon was supposed to help with being the jump ball guy. He's dropped a few he got his hands on, and now he's hurt and not much of a factor.

Spreading the field make sense. It opens up the possibility of more quick routes, QB draw, RB shovel pass, etc. -- We need to give it a shot, in my opinion.

The funny thing is... I think Williams is the only receiver who's actually managed to catch the fade route this season.

I think I've seen Smith throw the back-shoulder fade to Crabtree and Braylon both at least two or three times. One Crabtree only got one foot in, and I think the other was dropped.

Yep. All passes were placed well enough, but the receivers couldn't make the catch. Except 5'10'' Kyle Williams.