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Alex Smith Thread

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
We should put Kaep in when we get in the redzone. It's clear Harbaugh has zero confidence in Smith to throw the ball in that area. As Steve Young said, "nobody is open in the redzone." And we need a guy with much bigger testicles that isn't afraid to sling it. As the QB coach said in the Raven's game, we need someone who is bold.
Ya because he's proven that he's highly liable in the redzone

35-2

I'd be worried about an int in that situation as well.

Oakland... you know better than to try and pass off statements of assumption like that. Disappointed
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Red Zone TDs is the only thing at this point stopping us from being a SB winner. I'll take that with a month to go.
Originally posted by Antix:
Red Zone TDs is the only thing at this point stopping us from being a SB winner. I'll take that with a month to go.

3rd down efficiency too.
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by Antix:
Red Zone TDs is the only thing at this point stopping us from being a SB winner. I'll take that with a month to go.

3rd down efficiency too.


And Chilo Rachal.
Originally posted by truekingcarlos:
Originally posted by Baugh_Area:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Whatever. I'm engaging in other posters comments. Some people have put up some ridiculous things on here to make Alex seem better. "Bill Walsh didn't throw deep." "Only 2 QBs in the NFC are statistically better then smith." This stuff is arguable....

Seems like some can't handle it. Can't even argue in this thread. Enjoy.

I'm out.

I'm with you Y2R, it's been getting on my nerve for a few weeks now the way posters in here gang up on anyone with a difference in opinion.

It's funny, I have supported Alex all year (the day the season ended last year I wanted to bring him back because I saw he was better than given credit for and there was no one better on the market) and yet, as soon as I have on opinion that differs from the herd, I'm a hater? Please!

I've said it once and I'll say it again, no matter what your opinion is of Alex, it's only an opinion. That feeling in your chest you get when someone says Alex isn't as good as you think is an emotion, not a fact.

Don't get me wrong, when people say things like "Alex is terrible!" or "Alex wouldn't start for any other team"" or other points of view that are clearly biased and unsupported I get pissed off too. But, when guys say Alex is propped up by a historically good defense and a great coaching staff, how can anyone argue that is without a doubt not true?

The Alex fanatics (for the most part) have become just as vicious and single minded as the Alex bashers. They see everything from a perspective of trying to prove their stance right. This makes for a rather clouded judgement and a really bad conversation. I don't know about you guys but I joined a forum to find other opinions to compare to my own, not just find my own ideas rehashed by every member.
Haters

Originally posted by Wodwo:
It's a pendulum swing effect. It'll even out if the team continues to play well. For now, those who supported Alex for years and were openly mocked for it are giving what they got. It's a normal social reaction to a large change.

That said, I don't condone these actions and I've been far less outspoken this season than last season. I don't feel that I need to defend Alex anymore. His play on the field speaks for itself.

It would be nice if people could be more civil. I tried my best last season to encourage that. However, people chose not to listen and being as objective as I possibly can, I'd have to say that the people saying negative things about Alex were far worse last year than those saying positive things are this year.

Again, I think it'll settle down. In the meantime, just try to lead by example.
There you go.

Most of the haters have gone into hiding because they are trying to avoid being exposed for their inability to see the obvious. There are a few still around, and yes, they deserve everything they've been called on so far. They were quick to call people names whenever anyone pointed out the obvious (to the discerning eye), but they sure do cry when they are treated in kind.

Rather cowardly if you ask me.
Bingo!
Originally posted by okdkid:
At home, the Alex Smith led San Francisco 49ers offense is tied for 3rd in the league with 4.4 red zone attempts per game.

Tied with the Green Bay Packers.

LOL.

And of those 4.4 redzone attempts per game, how many result in touchdowns?
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Originally posted by okdkid:
At home, the Alex Smith led San Francisco 49ers offense is tied for 3rd in the league with 4.4 red zone attempts per game.

Tied with the Green Bay Packers.

LOL.

And of those 4.4 redzone attempts per game, how many result in touchdowns?

not enough, but its still an impressive stat.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Originally posted by Baugh_Area:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Come on now, don't you start oldman. We're just trying to have a civilized conversation...with a bunch of nutjobs!!! I don't know how many times I have to say that I love the way Smith is playing this year, and I'm excited that he's led this team to a 10-2 record. But because (when asked) I think guys like Rivers, Romo and even Bradford would do just as well in this system (or maybe better), all of a sudden I'm a hater?

Makes no sense.

I can't understand it either Ghost

At this point I see nothing left to do but...



Not a hater, but I just don't see what those guys have done? Romo? He has cost his team many games this season. Look at the Detroit game where they blew a huge lead due to Romo's stupid mistakes. Rivers fumbled a ball in the redzone and blew a game. He's also thrown quite a few picks this season at crucial times, Bradford he's having a worse season than Alex had his 2nd season by far, but he's somehow better?

These guys get more yards and amazing plays, but that also leaves them vulnerable to making big mistakes. Huge mistakes. Why would that change here?

~Romo with one of the top defenses in the league (ours) would be a better option than Smith (IMO) as he wouldn't have to play such a high risk game
~Rivers when playing with one of the better defenses in the league (Chargers 2006 - 2009) led his team to multiple playoffs (Smith is going to his first playoffs)
~Bradford had a better rookie season than Smith by far. In fact, Bradford's rookie season was better on most counts than any of Smith's seasons prior to this one. I'm not going to discount Bradford for one bad season (his second), just as I'm sure you didn't discount Smith for his multiple bad seasons prior to this one.
So your answer is...? Trade for Romo, Rivers, or Bradford? Or just complain incessantly about our QB is playing excellent football and has led our team to 10-2?

The hate just runs DEEP in some people, they can't let go.

Dude, seriously? You didn't even bother to read my other posts on the last few pages. You just assume things and comment without bothering to look for any context, all the good things I've been saying about Alex (in the past and especially today), how I agreed with Harbaugh in bringing back Alex and for keeping him as the starter all year and even beyond if we win it all, and why I'm talking about these other QBs?

People, READ and COMPREHEND before you reply, I beg you.

[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Dec 6, 2011 at 8:55 PM ]
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think having big receivers help in the red zone area, especially inside the 15-10yds. They are able to shield and jump for a catch. As of right now other than VD and Crabtree there's no one that fit that criteria. Both Braylon and Morgan are hurt. Ginn and Williams are smallish. D. Walker can help. They should involved him more, but I don't know that he has the catching experience to do a good job. He has proven people wrong thus far on the other things he wasn't suppose to be able to do.

In the redzone players are packed tighter together. Defenders can closed quickly in a tighten field of play. Speed of the offense is a bit neutralized because of this. So size is the overriding factor in this situation.

Tom Brady doesn't have big receivers.

I think it's just a matter of play design or throwing a receiver open or the ability to squeeze it in super tight spots...no homo.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think having big receivers help in the red zone area, especially inside the 15-10yds. They are able to shield and jump for a catch. As of right now other than VD and Crabtree there's no one that fit that criteria. Both Braylon and Morgan are hurt. Ginn and Williams are smallish. D. Walker can help. They should involved him more, but I don't know that he has the catching experience to do a good job. He has proven people wrong thus far on the other things he wasn't suppose to be able to do.

In the redzone players are packed tighter together. Defenders can closed quickly in a tighten field of play. Speed of the offense is a bit neutralized because of this. So size is the overriding factor in this situation.

Tom Brady doesn't have big receivers.

I think it's just a matter of play design or throwing a receiver open or the ability to squeeze it in super tight spots...no homo.

have you seen his TE's?
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think having big receivers help in the red zone area, especially inside the 15-10yds. They are able to shield and jump for a catch. As of right now other than VD and Crabtree there's no one that fit that criteria. Both Braylon and Morgan are hurt. Ginn and Williams are smallish. D. Walker can help. They should involved him more, but I don't know that he has the catching experience to do a good job. He has proven people wrong thus far on the other things he wasn't suppose to be able to do.

In the redzone players are packed tighter together. Defenders can closed quickly in a tighten field of play. Speed of the offense is a bit neutralized because of this. So size is the overriding factor in this situation.

Tom Brady doesn't have big receivers.

I think it's just a matter of play design or throwing a receiver open or the ability to squeeze it in super tight spots...no homo.

Ya but if you go back and look at the touchdowns thrown last week against the colts, the TE was just wide open on both touchdowns that he "caught". Ridiculously wide open. It is the colts though and they suck this year but they wouldn't be pulling that shi last season.
[ Edited by Shorteous on Dec 6, 2011 at 8:58 PM ]
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think having big receivers help in the red zone area, especially inside the 15-10yds. They are able to shield and jump for a catch. As of right now other than VD and Crabtree there's no one that fit that criteria. Both Braylon and Morgan are hurt. Ginn and Williams are smallish. D. Walker can help. They should involved him more, but I don't know that he has the catching experience to do a good job. He has proven people wrong thus far on the other things he wasn't suppose to be able to do.

In the redzone players are packed tighter together. Defenders can closed quickly in a tighten field of play. Speed of the offense is a bit neutralized because of this. So size is the overriding factor in this situation.

Tom Brady doesn't have big receivers.

I think it's just a matter of play design or throwing a receiver open or the ability to squeeze it in super tight spots...no homo.

Gronkowski is 6-6 and 265 pounds.
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think having big receivers help in the red zone area, especially inside the 15-10yds. They are able to shield and jump for a catch. As of right now other than VD and Crabtree there's no one that fit that criteria. Both Braylon and Morgan are hurt. Ginn and Williams are smallish. D. Walker can help. They should involved him more, but I don't know that he has the catching experience to do a good job. He has proven people wrong thus far on the other things he wasn't suppose to be able to do.

In the redzone players are packed tighter together. Defenders can closed quickly in a tighten field of play. Speed of the offense is a bit neutralized because of this. So size is the overriding factor in this situation.

Tom Brady doesn't have big receivers.

I think it's just a matter of play design or throwing a receiver open or the ability to squeeze it in super tight spots...no homo.

Gronkowski is 6-6 and 265 pounds.

and has a s**t ton of TD's as well

Joe you aren't making this easy on yourself whatsoever
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think having big receivers help in the red zone area, especially inside the 15-10yds. They are able to shield and jump for a catch. As of right now other than VD and Crabtree there's no one that fit that criteria. Both Braylon and Morgan are hurt. Ginn and Williams are smallish. D. Walker can help. They should involved him more, but I don't know that he has the catching experience to do a good job. He has proven people wrong thus far on the other things he wasn't suppose to be able to do.

In the redzone players are packed tighter together. Defenders can closed quickly in a tighten field of play. Speed of the offense is a bit neutralized because of this. So size is the overriding factor in this situation.

Tom Brady doesn't have big receivers.

I think it's just a matter of play design or throwing a receiver open or the ability to squeeze it in super tight spots...no homo.

Gronkowski is 6-6 and 265 pounds.

and has a s**t ton of TD's as well

Joe you aren't making this easy on yourself whatsoever

And we have Vernon. What's your point?
Alex has given us a chance to win every game we have played this season. I really don't know what else you can ask from the position.

I've been on both sides of the great Smith debate. I remember saying "Give this kid something to work with" as clearly as "What a bust, let's move on." I'm in the camp that he actually started to play pretty efficiently last year and to me the tipping point for him was the Detroit Lions game more so than any other game or moment in his career. Down 10-0 to a undefeated team exuding so much arrogance playing in their barn. The Detroit fans were insane. Even watching from the comfort of home I could tell that place was LOUD! The entire team stepped up obviously, but even taking into account the pick and the other spots that didn't hit, Alex played a whale of a game. Tough, calm and ultimately clutch.

I see Brees, Rodgers and Brady. We all do. The numbers are silly and the play is nothing short of art sometimes. The one hand washes the other philosophy applies. Brady-Belichick, Brees-Payton, Rodgers-McCarthy. There is a reason these teams are successful. In no way do I put him up there but Alex finally has a football soulmate so to speak. It's a huge part of the formula for a franchise's success. Alex is going to be a great late bloomer for us. He's heady, athletic and I don't really care what Greg Cosell says, when he's confident in what he is doing the dude can throw a very pretty ball. I would argue for as tough and solid as Frank has been this year, Alex Smith in my mind is hands down the team's offensive M.V.P..

I have alot of faith in this team. In my mind teams like the Packers eventually get got. A team peaks but eventually another team steps up. It's the NFL. Who was going to beat the Rams the year they lost? Who was going to beat the Patriots the year they lost?

Go Niners.

By the way... How good is Aldon Smith?