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Alex Smith Thread

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Someone (gnnhan7) suggested adding years to this list so here is the new and improved list:

GB: McCarthy/Rodgers 2006-2011
NO: Peyton/Brees 2006-2011
SD: Turner/Rivers 2007-2011
Ind: Moore (OC)/P Manning 1998-2011
Pitts: Arians (OC)/Roethlisberger 2004-2011
NE: Weiss/Brady 2000-2004 McDaniels/Brady 2001-2008 O'Brien/Brady 2007-2011

Brady has had several changes but McDaniels and O'Brien were QB coaches who moved up and did well as OCs. McDaniels made his rep with Brady.

Nolan/McCarthy 2005
Nolan/Turner 2006
Nolan/Hostler2007
Nolan/Martz 2008
Singletary/Martz 2009
Singletary/Raye 2009-2010
Singletary/Johnson 2010
Harbaugh/Roman 2011

I did not include E Manning or Romo because I believe they are not in this category.

Good stuff.

Just confirmed what most of us who watched football for a while already knew. Talent and coaching goes together and it usually takes a few years to make an offense look like an elite offense.
Originally posted by Baugh_Area:
Backpedaling?

Neither Ghost nor I mentioned anything close to the statement "Alex is not very good". If someone posted that, I would respond and say they're crazy.

As for the Manning thing, it's way too early to tell. We've got at least 5 more games to play and how Alex plays will be important in determining our future direction with the team. Will he keep improving on the Rams game, or will he take a step back? Will we start turning our lead leading amount of field goals into touchdowns?

I have no doubt Alex has the potential to be a top QB, it's just he hasn't had the consistency of play to deserve that kind of praise yet. I understand people saying he could get there, but anyone saying Alex has arrived or is better than Pillip Rivers, Tony Romo, Eli manning, Matt Schaub or other QBs who have years of good play to fall back on is being a total homer.

Just like anyone saying Alex is not very good is a total hater.

Smith did pretty well against the Giants. One can say he outperformed Eli Manning in that game.
Originally posted by okdkid:
At home, the Alex Smith led San Francisco 49ers offense is tied for 3rd in the league with 4.4 red zone attempts per game.

Tied with the Green Bay Packers.

We need TDs instead of field goals. I'm just as frustrated about that inability as much as any 'haters'. But I'm not so quick as to blame it on Smith solely.

Come on offense!!! Getting the passing game going is that last hurtle of this team. We have a special team this year. 4 more games to get the sh*t together.

Come on guys, you can do it !!!!
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Dec 6, 2011 at 7:00 PM ]
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Originally posted by Baugh_Area:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Come on now, don't you start oldman. We're just trying to have a civilized conversation...with a bunch of nutjobs!!! I don't know how many times I have to say that I love the way Smith is playing this year, and I'm excited that he's led this team to a 10-2 record. But because (when asked) I think guys like Rivers, Romo and even Bradford would do just as well in this system (or maybe better), all of a sudden I'm a hater?

Makes no sense.

I can't understand it either Ghost

At this point I see nothing left to do but...



Not a hater, but I just don't see what those guys have done? Romo? He has cost his team many games this season. Look at the Detroit game where they blew a huge lead due to Romo's stupid mistakes. Rivers fumbled a ball in the redzone and blew a game. He's also thrown quite a few picks this season at crucial times, Bradford he's having a worse season than Alex had his 2nd season by far, but he's somehow better?

These guys get more yards and amazing plays, but that also leaves them vulnerable to making big mistakes. Huge mistakes. Why would that change here?

~Romo with one of the top defenses in the league (ours) would be a better option than Smith (IMO) as he wouldn't have to play such a high risk game
~Rivers when playing with one of the better defenses in the league (Chargers 2006 - 2009) led his team to multiple playoffs (Smith is going to his first playoffs)
~Bradford had a better rookie season than Smith by far. In fact, Bradford's rookie season was better on most counts than any of Smith's seasons prior to this one. I'm not going to discount Bradford for one bad season (his second), just as I'm sure you didn't discount Smith for his multiple bad seasons prior to this one.
So your answer is...? Trade for Romo, Rivers, or Bradford? Or just complain incessantly about our QB is playing excellent football and has led our team to 10-2?

The hate just runs DEEP in some people, they can't let go.
Originally posted by fastforward:
The shock of Bradford failing would have long-lasting effect on the Rams because of the huge $50 million guarantee that's pro-rated over the years. That amount made JaMarcus Russell's guarantee of $32 million puny in comparison.


Bradford may have some difficult times ahead but, unless he is seriously hurt, he will eventually be a good QB.

And as many have mentioned, any QB would improve under Harbaugh. Few will have had as rough a time getting to a good coach as Smith however.
We should put Kaep in when we get in the redzone. It's clear Harbaugh has zero confidence in Smith to throw the ball in that area. As Steve Young said, "nobody is open in the redzone." And we need a guy with much bigger testicles that isn't afraid to sling it. As the QB coach said in the Raven's game, we need someone who is bold.
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by okdkid:
At home, the Alex Smith led San Francisco 49ers offense is tied for 3rd in the league with 4.4 red zone attempts per game.

Tied with the Green Bay Packers.

We need TDs instead of field goals. I'm just as frustrated about that inability as much as any 'haters'. But I'm not so quick as to blame it on Smith solely.

Come on offense!!! Getting the passing game going is that last hurtle of this team. We have a special team this year. 4 more games to get the sh*t together.

Come on guys, you can do it !!!!

The take away is... when we get our red zone offense figured out, we can absolutely be as "prolific" as the Green Bay Packers. We create just as many opportunities.
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
We should put Kaep in when we get in the redzone. It's clear Harbaugh has zero confidence in Smith to throw the ball in that area. As Steve Young said, "nobody is open in the redzone." And we need a guy with much bigger testicles that isn't afraid to sling it. As the QB coach said in the Raven's game, we need someone who is bold.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
We should put Kaep in when we get in the redzone. It's clear Harbaugh has zero confidence in Smith to throw the ball in that area. As Steve Young said, "nobody is open in the redzone." And we need a guy with much bigger testicles that isn't afraid to sling it. As the QB coach said in the Raven's game, we need someone who is bold.


Harry Reems might be available.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
We should put Kaep in when we get in the redzone. It's clear Harbaugh has zero confidence in Smith to throw the ball in that area. As Steve Young said, "nobody is open in the redzone." And we need a guy with much bigger testicles that isn't afraid to sling it. As the QB coach said in the Raven's game, we need someone who is bold.


Cry fo attention.... fogettaboutit.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
We should put Kaep in when we get in the redzone. It's clear Harbaugh has zero confidence in Smith to throw the ball in that area. As Steve Young said, "nobody is open in the redzone." And we need a guy with much bigger testicles that isn't afraid to sling it. As the QB coach said in the Raven's game, we need someone who is bold.


I see Rodgers' receivers running open in the Red Zone and in the Endzone constantly. I've watched almost every Green Bay game (because I hate them and want them to lose and love to root against them every week), and this is the case.

I think our Red Zone problems are a combination of things.

1. Play-calling: I'm getting rather sick of seeing 3-straight runs inside the ten. I'm wondering what our redzone pass selection is compared to the rest of the league. Harbaugh ran a TON in the redzone at Stanford. It's not been working in the NFL.

2. Drops: Our guys need to catch it. Ginn's drop-to-INT could've cost us big against NYG. Crabtree's would-be TD drop didn't hurt us, but it was still frustrating. Delanie's TD drop against Detroit was another one that could've cost us big. Thankfully he made up for it late in the game.

3. Alex being safe: Alex goes through is reads INSANELY fast in the red zone from what I've noticed. If they're not open, he'll go from option to option and often then will throw it to the last option short of the goal line. Sometimes because he really is out of time, sometimes because I think he rushes.

More work on this in the system I believe will greatly improve our RZ TD efficiency. But I believe it's is a combo problem, and yes, Alex can do better here. He's doing great, but this can improve, and I'm sure in time it will.
Should also be noted that Harbaugh doesn't give a damn if fans don't respond well to playing conservative against crappy offensive teams. If he isn't afraid of a team coming back on us, he will run 3 times and kick a FG often. He doesn't care that fans want to be more aggressive and go for the throat. He wants points on each drive... and he'll take what's comfortable and easy to get. Don't like it? Go ahead... ask him if he cares.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Should also be noted that Harbaugh doesn't give a damn if fans don't respond well to playing conservative against crappy offensive teams. If he isn't afraid of a team coming back on us, he will run 3 times and kick a FG often. He doesn't care that fans want to be more aggressive and go for the throat. He wants points on each drive... and he'll take what's comfortable and easy to get. Don't like it? Go ahead... ask him if he cares.


No, I've heard people ask him dumb questions before and he doesn't take it well. Although now that they have been so successful he seems to be mellowing out a bit in interviews...or are reporters just being more careful?
I think having big receivers help in the red zone area, especially inside the 15-10yds. They are able to shield and jump for a catch. As of right now other than VD and Crabtree there's no one that fit that criteria. Both Braylon and Morgan are hurt. Ginn and Williams are smallish. D. Walker can help. They should involved him more, but I don't know that he has the catching experience to do a good job. He has proven people wrong thus far on the other things he wasn't suppose to be able to do.

In the redzone players are packed tighter together. Defenders can closed quickly in a tighten field of play. Speed of the offense is a bit neutralized because of this. So size is the overriding factor in this situation.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Dec 6, 2011 at 7:37 PM ]
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824cfb47/article/smith-doesnt-believe-niners-offense-looks-up-to-anyone?module=HP11_around-the-league


"Absolutely, no question. I've got no doubt in my mind that I can play with anybody on offense, and as an offense, we can play with anybody," Smith told KGMZ-FM on Tuesday. "I really feel like the guys around me right now, we can play with anybody."


I like the attitude.