Originally posted by Baugh_Area:In addition, Bradford lost Danny Amendola, his most reliable receive, in the first week of the season. He also lost Pat Shurmur, the OC that nurtured him to the success he had last season. Right now he has about what Alex had in his first year.
Originally posted by valrod33:
Sam Bradford is a joke, dont even put him in the same sentence as my boy #11
Why doesn't Bradford get any excuses? That Rams OL is as bad or worse than any Alex has played behind.
As 9er fans we should know how hard it is for a QB to overcome a bad OL.
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Dec 6, 2011 at 5:25 PM
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Dec 6, 2011 at 5:26 PM
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Was watching the st. louis full game highlights posted by whomeam (i love this guy), and was checking out kyle williams' touchdown.
go to 7:00 in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bU_KNc8NFY&feature=youtu.be
alex does a fake snap, and the corner on kyle jumps back. alex read it as a zone coverage. Kyle is wide open and able to make the move to the inside to take it to the house.
On this same play, if the corner fakes the zone coverage, it'd probably be an interception.
Great play by Smith and Williams. Just goes to show how close these things are. I really wish we could get more camera views though, would make it so much easier to analyze plays.
go to 7:00 in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bU_KNc8NFY&feature=youtu.be
alex does a fake snap, and the corner on kyle jumps back. alex read it as a zone coverage. Kyle is wide open and able to make the move to the inside to take it to the house.
On this same play, if the corner fakes the zone coverage, it'd probably be an interception.
Great play by Smith and Williams. Just goes to show how close these things are. I really wish we could get more camera views though, would make it so much easier to analyze plays.
[ Edited by Method on Dec 6, 2011 at 5:27 PM ]
Dec 6, 2011 at 5:26 PM
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Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Baugh_Area:In addition, Bradford lost Danny Amendola, his most reliable receive, in the first week of the season. He also lost Pat Shurmur, the OC that nurtured him to the success he had last season. Right now he has about what Alex had in his first year.
Originally posted by valrod33:
Sam Bradford is a joke, dont even put him in the same sentence as my boy #11
Why doesn't Bradford get any excuses? That Rams OL is as bad or worse than any Alex has played behind.
As 9er fans we should know how hard it is for a QB to overcome a bad OL.
That whole staff will be fired so he will be going on OC #3 pretty soon
Dec 6, 2011 at 5:35 PM
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Originally posted by verb1der:
I think this thread will become real interesting once Alex Smith wins a playoff game, can't wait to hear what some will have to say.
Alex Smith must go because he has delay of game penalties....
Dec 6, 2011 at 5:37 PM
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Originally posted by Baugh_Area:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Come on now, don't you start oldman. We're just trying to have a civilized conversation...with a bunch of nutjobs!!! I don't know how many times I have to say that I love the way Smith is playing this year, and I'm excited that he's led this team to a 10-2 record. But because (when asked) I think guys like Rivers, Romo and even Bradford would do just as well in this system (or maybe better), all of a sudden I'm a hater?
Makes no sense.
I can't understand it either Ghost
At this point I see nothing left to do but...
Not a hater, but I just don't see what those guys have done? Romo? He has cost his team many games this season. Look at the Detroit game where they blew a huge lead due to Romo's stupid mistakes. Rivers fumbled a ball in the redzone and blew a game. He's also thrown quite a few picks this season at crucial times, Bradford he's having a worse season than Alex had his 2nd season by far, but he's somehow better?
These guys get more yards and amazing plays, but that also leaves them vulnerable to making big mistakes. Huge mistakes. Why would that change here?
~Romo with one of the top defenses in the league (ours) would be a better option than Smith (IMO) as he wouldn't have to play such a high risk game
~Rivers when playing with one of the better defenses in the league (Chargers 2006 - 2009) led his team to multiple playoffs (Smith is going to his first playoffs)
~Bradford had a better rookie season than Smith by far. In fact, Bradford's rookie season was better on most counts than any of Smith's seasons prior to this one. I'm not going to discount Bradford for one bad season (his second), just as I'm sure you didn't discount Smith for his multiple bad seasons prior to this one.
And for all of those guys, its how you finish.
Romo has been garbage in the playoffs
Rivers has never closed the deal
and Bradford has become Alex 2.0
IF...and a big IF Alex gets to a Superbowl and leaves with a W, he will do something that none of those other guys have been able to do or probably will ever do.
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:Valid points. But imo, I'd rather have Alex not making mistakes. Not only that but improving game to game. He had his best game of his career just 2 days ago. To think he has plateaud is down right silly. He's still pretty darn young and improving every week. What makes people think he can't get better? Guys like Romo, and Rivers aren't getting any better really. They have had the same results year in year out. Bradford I do not discount anything. I actually feel quite bad for the guy, we've all seen what changing OC's does to a young QB.
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Originally posted by Baugh_Area:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Come on now, don't you start oldman. We're just trying to have a civilized conversation...with a bunch of nutjobs!!! I don't know how many times I have to say that I love the way Smith is playing this year, and I'm excited that he's led this team to a 10-2 record. But because (when asked) I think guys like Rivers, Romo and even Bradford would do just as well in this system (or maybe better), all of a sudden I'm a hater?
Makes no sense.
I can't understand it either Ghost
At this point I see nothing left to do but...
Not a hater, but I just don't see what those guys have done? Romo? He has cost his team many games this season. Look at the Detroit game where they blew a huge lead due to Romo's stupid mistakes. Rivers fumbled a ball in the redzone and blew a game. He's also thrown quite a few picks this season at crucial times, Bradford he's having a worse season than Alex had his 2nd season by far, but he's somehow better?
These guys get more yards and amazing plays, but that also leaves them vulnerable to making big mistakes. Huge mistakes. Why would that change here?
~Romo with one of the top defenses in the league (ours) would be a better option than Smith (IMO) as he wouldn't have to play such a high risk game
~Rivers when playing with one of the better defenses in the league (Chargers 2006 - 2009) led his team to multiple playoffs (Smith is going to his first playoffs)
~Bradford had a better rookie season than Smith by far. In fact, Bradford's rookie season was better on most counts than any of Smith's seasons prior to this one. I'm not going to discount Bradford for one bad season (his second), just as I'm sure you didn't discount Smith for his multiple bad seasons prior to this one.
I agree in that I think Alex can get better and likely will if he stays with Harbaugh. By the same token, I think guys like Romo/Rivers (and even Bradford, over time) could become more efficient passers under the Harbaugh approach (great defense/special teams, power run game and strategic use of the passing game). In other words, I think they can make all the plays Smith does, and a number of the ones he can't. But that's just my opinion and i realize I could be wrong.
Dec 6, 2011 at 5:47 PM
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Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
1.) What part of "I don't hate Alex" do you not get??????
2.) I already said this, so listen up, "THERE IS NO OTHER SOLUTION. ALEX IS OUR QB. NOTHING ELSE TO BE DONE HERE" Did you get that?
3.) I was asked who I thought was a better QB than Smith, so I replied. That doesn't mean I want Alex to ride the bench, or that he isn't playing REALLY well this year, or that he can't take us all the way.
4.) The year the Colts won the SB, they were 23rd in points allowed, and 21st in yards given up. Mediocre defense, but they still won it all. Hmmmm, I wonder why?
5.) You don't have to "USE" all of your cap space to sign a big-time free agent ("use" and "spend" are two different matters when talking NFL capology). You can strategically spread his signing bonus (spending money) over a fairly long period of time, allowing you to conserve precious cap space (using your annual allotment of cap room) all while giving the player his money. It's not rocket science.
The reason the colts won that year is because once the playoffs started, the defense completely turned it around.
Dec 6, 2011 at 5:49 PM
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For those talking about Bradford.. I think the best thing you can do is say he's in a very similar situation as Alex was in early in his career.
Defensive HC.
No OL.
No WRs.
New OC after first year.
Injured.
Only difference was he had pro-bowler Steven Jackson in his rookie year. Gore started in Alex's 2nd season. He had Kevan Barlow as a starter as a rookie.
I wouldn't count him out yet, because I feel like McDaniels system suits him so well. If he gets more weapons, gets protection, gets healthy, and another year in the system, Bradford will likely look a lot better than he has so far.
Kind of early to call him garbage when he hasn't even finished two seasons. Of course, I'm fine with him stinking it up -- more wins for us.
Defensive HC.
No OL.
No WRs.
New OC after first year.
Injured.
Only difference was he had pro-bowler Steven Jackson in his rookie year. Gore started in Alex's 2nd season. He had Kevan Barlow as a starter as a rookie.
I wouldn't count him out yet, because I feel like McDaniels system suits him so well. If he gets more weapons, gets protection, gets healthy, and another year in the system, Bradford will likely look a lot better than he has so far.
Kind of early to call him garbage when he hasn't even finished two seasons. Of course, I'm fine with him stinking it up -- more wins for us.
[ Edited by OnTheClock on Dec 6, 2011 at 5:52 PM ]
Dec 6, 2011 at 5:53 PM
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Originally posted by Baugh_Area:Haters
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Whatever. I'm engaging in other posters comments. Some people have put up some ridiculous things on here to make Alex seem better. "Bill Walsh didn't throw deep." "Only 2 QBs in the NFC are statistically better then smith." This stuff is arguable....
Seems like some can't handle it. Can't even argue in this thread. Enjoy.
I'm out.
I'm with you Y2R, it's been getting on my nerve for a few weeks now the way posters in here gang up on anyone with a difference in opinion.
It's funny, I have supported Alex all year (the day the season ended last year I wanted to bring him back because I saw he was better than given credit for and there was no one better on the market) and yet, as soon as I have on opinion that differs from the herd, I'm a hater? Please!
I've said it once and I'll say it again, no matter what your opinion is of Alex, it's only an opinion. That feeling in your chest you get when someone says Alex isn't as good as you think is an emotion, not a fact.
Don't get me wrong, when people say things like "Alex is terrible!" or "Alex wouldn't start for any other team"" or other points of view that are clearly biased and unsupported I get pissed off too. But, when guys say Alex is propped up by a historically good defense and a great coaching staff, how can anyone argue that is without a doubt not true?
The Alex fanatics (for the most part) have become just as vicious and single minded as the Alex bashers. They see everything from a perspective of trying to prove their stance right. This makes for a rather clouded judgement and a really bad conversation. I don't know about you guys but I joined a forum to find other opinions to compare to my own, not just find my own ideas rehashed by every member.
Originally posted by Wodwo:There you go.
It's a pendulum swing effect. It'll even out if the team continues to play well. For now, those who supported Alex for years and were openly mocked for it are giving what they got. It's a normal social reaction to a large change.
That said, I don't condone these actions and I've been far less outspoken this season than last season. I don't feel that I need to defend Alex anymore. His play on the field speaks for itself.
It would be nice if people could be more civil. I tried my best last season to encourage that. However, people chose not to listen and being as objective as I possibly can, I'd have to say that the people saying negative things about Alex were far worse last year than those saying positive things are this year.
Again, I think it'll settle down. In the meantime, just try to lead by example.
Most of the haters have gone into hiding because they are trying to avoid being exposed for their inability to see the obvious. There are a few still around, and yes, they deserve everything they've been called on so far. They were quick to call people names whenever anyone pointed out the obvious (to the discerning eye), but they sure do cry when they are treated in kind.
Rather cowardly if you ask me.
Dec 6, 2011 at 5:54 PM
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Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
1.) What part of "I don't hate Alex" do you not get??????
2.) I already said this, so listen up, "THERE IS NO OTHER SOLUTION. ALEX IS OUR QB. NOTHING ELSE TO BE DONE HERE" Did you get that?
3.) I was asked who I thought was a better QB than Smith, so I replied. That doesn't mean I want Alex to ride the bench, or that he isn't playing REALLY well this year, or that he can't take us all the way.
4.) The year the Colts won the SB, they were 23rd in points allowed, and 21st in yards given up. Mediocre defense, but they still won it all. Hmmmm, I wonder why?
5.) You don't have to "USE" all of your cap space to sign a big-time free agent ("use" and "spend" are two different matters when talking NFL capology). You can strategically spread his signing bonus (spending money) over a fairly long period of time, allowing you to conserve precious cap space (using your annual allotment of cap room) all while giving the player his money. It's not rocket science.
The reason the colts won that year is because once the playoffs started, the defense completely turned it around.
Good point. But without Manning, that's not even a playoff team, much less a SB winner.
Dec 6, 2011 at 5:58 PM
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Baugh_Area:In addition, Bradford lost Danny Amendola, his most reliable receive, in the first week of the season. He also lost Pat Shurmur, the OC that nurtured him to the success he had last season. Right now he has about what Alex had in his first year.
Originally posted by valrod33:
Sam Bradford is a joke, dont even put him in the same sentence as my boy #11
Why doesn't Bradford get any excuses? That Rams OL is as bad or worse than any Alex has played behind.
As 9er fans we should know how hard it is for a QB to overcome a bad OL.
That whole staff will be fired so he will be going on OC #3 pretty soon
Braford is about to be Alex Smith 2.0
I hope the Rams are smarter than that. Samexcuses -- 2 OC in 2 years. He's a #1 overall pick. He should have the talent to overcome another OC. Cam Newton is playing lights out in his rookie year.
What Braford needs now is Steve Spagnuolo questioning his ability to play injured.
Dec 6, 2011 at 5:59 PM
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Originally posted by dj43:
...and a big part of this discussion is about the fact that Brees has a team of receivers that are all better than the 49er group.
We brag about how great Vernon Davis is but he would play BEHIND Jimmy Graham in NO. None of the other 49ers would start ahead of Colston, Meachem and Moore...and Darren Sproles is a HUGE threat out of the backfield every time he touches the ball.
Not making any excuse, just stating the facts.
I am not arguing with your premise, or discussing any sort of comparison with Smith and Brees.....but I will argue with you about your assessment of the Saints players.
First of all, I completely agree with you that Jimmy Graham is better than Vernon Davis. What I dont agree with is the idea that he is more than marginally better than Davis. If Vernon Davis and Jimmy Graham switched places, your opinion of who is better probably would too. They are very similar players, and I wish Vernon would be used the way Jimmy is.
I also disagree with your assessment of the wide receivers. Although Colston is unquestionably better than any of our receivers, I would argue that Michael Crabtree is more talented of a receiver than every single one of Lance Moore, Robert Meachem and Devery Henderson. So yes, you are 100% correct that the Saints receiving corps is unquestionably better than ours.....but I completely disagree that Michael Crabtree wouldnt play over the rest of those guys.
As far as Sproles goes, yes he is very good. I think that Kendall Hunter is just as talented as Sproles is....he is just young and figuring things out. There is no reason to believe that Hunter couldnt be every bit as good as Sproles is, if not a lot better.
Since we are in overall agreement, let me elaborate a bit on why I placed the emphasis the way I did:
Since this thread is about Alex Smith and related matters, my emphasis was on the manner in which the NO and SF receivers compare in the passing game.
Graham vs Davis - VD has a clear advantage in straight line speed but that is the only area. Graham has a much more supple body and adjusts very well to balls that are slightly off target. He runs routes like a wide out, not a muscle bound weight lifter. His hands are perhaps the best in the league. The ball just seems to settle in as if drawn by a magnet. He is putting up WR numbers in both number of catches and average yards. Slightly on a tangent but noteworthy; though not the blocker Davis is, he has become very efficient. Wide advantage to NO in the passing game. Davis may be the best receiver among the "blocking" TEs but he isn't in the same class with Graham as a pass catcher.
Since we agree Colston is #1, I'll compare Meachem to Crabtree for the #2 spot - This one is a bit more subtle because we are comparing a 5 year pro (Meachem) who is off to his best start ever to Crabtree who is still operating on potential not actual performance. Meachem wins in just about every area of comparison: speed, defensive reads, route running... Crabtree is reputed to have great hands but hasn't shown it yet. He has shown only a flash here and there and hopefully he is now healthy enough to be able to practice and realize his potential but for now, he is still very much a work in progress.
Moore vs Crabtree - Similar playing styles. Moore is very under-rated nationally but not by those who watch the Saints on a regular basis. Moore makes circus catches on balls that other receivers do not even touch. He has become a favorite of Brees because he hauls in the slightly off target balls that others will not. Moore is unsung by 49er fans but when you watch him play, you appreciate his talent. He is very good. Until Crabtree begins to catch the ball as well and as consistently as Moore, Lance gets the start.
On balance I might consider Crabtree vs Henderson to be a wash. Again, performance vs potential. Henderson has been a solid #2/3 over the past 5 years. His outstanding speed really opens up a lot of other options to Brees. So Crabtree winds up competing to be the #3 receiver if he were on the Saints roster.
I won't go into any of the other 49er receivers because none of them would make the 45 man roster in NO. Too bad.
Sproles vs Hunter - No contest. Sproles is still perhaps the most dangerous "change of pace" back in the league while Hunter is an interesting looking rookie who is performing at a higher level than expected. I think it is that surprise factor that makes us excited about him but he is not close to Sproles in any category.
What stands out in looking at the comparison of NO to SF receivers is that NO has TWO guys with speed to stretch the defense who also catch the ball well. Ginn has similar speed but is not close to either Meachem or Henderson as an overall pass receiver. This speed opens up a lot of things that Brees can do in other areas. (This points out the importance of drafting a speedy wideout next spring.)
So while we might disagree as to the margin of superiority on the Saints, it really doesn't matter. Even a cursory analysis shows that the 49ers need to improve their receiving corp if they want to compete with GB or NO in a shootout type of game.
dj, I have no idea where you are getting your evaluations from. In terms of stats, our guys are as good or better. Now consider the QB and the high flying offense and their WR's are actually under performing if they should be much better.
Colston and Braylon are similar in terms of talent, especially considering Braylon has had some terrible QB's in his career. They are both big, can go deep and run the short route effectively. Braylon's best year was when the Browns had a QB who was semi lighting it up and Braylon's best year was much better than Colston's best year. That shows you his potential.
Robert Meachem and Crabtree: Meachem appears to have speed but we still don't know how fast Crabtree is. Crabtree is actually having a better year than Meachem. Crabtree also has displayed some great quickness and run after catch ability along with breaking tackles.
Henderson vs Morgan: Henderson is on a fast decline and Morgan looked to be on the way up. Morgan also outperformed Henderson the last 2 years.
Sproles is slightly greater than Williams but Williams has more potential in the yards per catch category whereas Sproles mainly gets screens and checkdowns.
Lance Moore is the only receiver that we don't compare to but Williams has the talent for this considering Sproles is a RB.
Now factor in that they have one of the greatest QB's ever and we DO have talent at the receiver spot.
I only considered receivers that have had an impact on the season and/or may have an impact during the rest of the season.
I agree Edwards has potential to equal Colston but in a consideration of has happened to this point, he has not had an impact.
My overall evaluation is based on my own research and evaluation combined with what I have heard/read about NO. Until SF receivers all get healthy and actually begin to perform on the field, the NO group is clearly superior.
In that case,
Crabtree = Colston are a wash but if you take into consideration the past 4 weeks, Crabtree is playing better right now.
Graham > Davis: personally, I think Davis' talent is over rated altogether in terms of what's required for the position.
Lance Moore > Ginn but I have a feeling Kyle Williams will give him a run for his money
Henderson is only slightly better than either Delanie in terms of catches but exceeds him in yards. We use Delanie in a different way.
Now, would you like to take into consideration their QB because their WR's are not lighting the world on fire and they pass a WHOLE lot more.
I like Crabtree. He should be a very strong #2 or better, but it will take more time to get there. Right now, I still like Colston based on him being more consistent.
I like Williams as well. I hope the 49ers give him a lot of play from now on to the end of the season. If he can turn into a mini-Wes Welker it would save a draft pick.
Comparing NO receivers based on yardage is impossible since they have 7 of them with over 20 catches. Chicken/egg = very good receivers with a QB that makes them even better. Individually, the NO group is very sound fundamentally and help Brees by being so consistent in routes. In turn, Brees, with lots of time from his OL, is able to reward them with an accurate pass.
On that note, I know it was only Jax, but did you see the time Brees had last night? He gets awesome time to make his progressions and find the open man.
Dec 6, 2011 at 6:02 PM
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Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Baugh_Area:In addition, Bradford lost Danny Amendola, his most reliable receive, in the first week of the season. He also lost Pat Shurmur, the OC that nurtured him to the success he had last season. Right now he has about what Alex had in his first year.
Originally posted by valrod33:
Sam Bradford is a joke, dont even put him in the same sentence as my boy #11
Why doesn't Bradford get any excuses? That Rams OL is as bad or worse than any Alex has played behind.
As 9er fans we should know how hard it is for a QB to overcome a bad OL.
That whole staff will be fired so he will be going on OC #3 pretty soon
Braford is about to be Alex Smith 2.0
I hope the Rams are smarter than that. Samexcuses -- 2 OC in 2 years. He's a #1 overall pick. He should have the talent to overcome another OC. Cam Newton is playing lights out in his rookie year.
What Braford needs now is Steve Spagnuolo questioning his ability to play injured.
Ive been calling him Alex 2.0 for months
I don't think Spags can correctly manage his shoelaces right now, lord knows what will happen if he starts messing with Bustford
Dec 6, 2011 at 6:16 PM
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Someone (gnnhan7) suggested adding years to this list so here is the new and improved list:
GB: McCarthy/Rodgers 2006-2011
NO: Peyton/Brees 2006-2011
SD: Turner/Rivers 2007-2011
Ind: Moore (OC)/P Manning 1998-2011
Pitts: Arians (OC)/Roethlisberger 2004-2011
NE: Weiss/Brady 2000-2004 McDaniels/Brady 2001-2008 O'Brien/Brady 2007-2011
Brady has had several changes but McDaniels and O'Brien were QB coaches who moved up and did well as OCs. McDaniels made his rep with Brady.
Nolan/McCarthy 2005
Nolan/Turner 2006
Nolan/Hostler2007
Nolan/Martz 2008
Singletary/Martz 2009
Singletary/Raye 2009-2010
Singletary/Johnson 2010
Harbaugh/Roman 2011
I did not include E Manning or Romo because I believe they are not in this category.
GB: McCarthy/Rodgers 2006-2011
NO: Peyton/Brees 2006-2011
SD: Turner/Rivers 2007-2011
Ind: Moore (OC)/P Manning 1998-2011
Pitts: Arians (OC)/Roethlisberger 2004-2011
NE: Weiss/Brady 2000-2004 McDaniels/Brady 2001-2008 O'Brien/Brady 2007-2011
Brady has had several changes but McDaniels and O'Brien were QB coaches who moved up and did well as OCs. McDaniels made his rep with Brady.
Nolan/McCarthy 2005
Nolan/Turner 2006
Nolan/Hostler2007
Nolan/Martz 2008
Singletary/Martz 2009
Singletary/Raye 2009-2010
Singletary/Johnson 2010
Harbaugh/Roman 2011
I did not include E Manning or Romo because I believe they are not in this category.
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Dec 6, 2011 at 6:20 PM ]
Dec 6, 2011 at 6:22 PM
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Since this is kind of the defacto 49ers offense threadl, I did a little research about our punting frequency over the last 4 game stretch.
Over the last 4 games we have punted the ball 16 games so roughly 4 times a game average. We punted 5 times against the ravens and 5 times against the rams with two punts when CK came in and went three and out at the end. For the giants game and the cardinals game, our first punts came late in the 3rd quarter.
I didn't check the rest of the games but against the rams we had three 3 and outs. The first one was in the first half when we recovered the fumble at the 5 and ran the ball three times ans kicked a field goal. The other two times were at the end of the game when CK came in.
Over the last 4 games we have punted the ball 16 games so roughly 4 times a game average. We punted 5 times against the ravens and 5 times against the rams with two punts when CK came in and went three and out at the end. For the giants game and the cardinals game, our first punts came late in the 3rd quarter.
I didn't check the rest of the games but against the rams we had three 3 and outs. The first one was in the first half when we recovered the fumble at the 5 and ran the ball three times ans kicked a field goal. The other two times were at the end of the game when CK came in.
[ Edited by Shorteous on Dec 6, 2011 at 6:24 PM ]
Dec 6, 2011 at 6:25 PM
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
For those talking about Bradford.. I think the best thing you can do is say he's in a very similar situation as Alex was in early in his career.
Defensive HC.
No OL.
No WRs.
New OC after first year.
Injured.
Only difference was he had pro-bowler Steven Jackson in his rookie year. Gore started in Alex's 2nd season. He had Kevan Barlow as a starter as a rookie.
I wouldn't count him out yet, because I feel like McDaniels system suits him so well. If he gets more weapons, gets protection, gets healthy, and another year in the system, Bradford will likely look a lot better than he has so far.
Kind of early to call him garbage when he hasn't even finished two seasons. Of course, I'm fine with him stinking it up -- more wins for us.
I agree with all you said here with the exception that I don't think McDaniels can do what Shurmur did. McDaniels is trying to force things but without the horses. Shurmur just took what was there without putting too much stress on Bradford. IOW, he did what some people are saying JH is doing with Alex - kept Smith in his comfort zone. (clever return to Alex Smith in his own thread)
I think Bradford will be just fine but he really lacks receivers.