QBR watch (week 2) **updated**

Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
I have a question for everyone. Everyone seems to agree that our playcalling has been conservative (whether you think its because Alex is horrible or because of our limited offseason is irrelevant). Some people have been impressed by Alex so far. They credit Harbaugh for using him correctly for the first time in his career.

My question is.....In your opinion, is there a starting QB in the NFL right now that couldnt do exactly what Alex is doing thus far?

Peyton Manning is probably the only one. Everybody who is in the NFL can be a game manager QB. EVERY SINGLE ONE. A Back up's job is to manage the game. With a good Coach the worst of the worst QB's can be used not to turn over the ball.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Uppercut:

Originally posted by KDTMDSFC:
Yet we won so how did we blow it up again??? Or almost???

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The fact seattle was able to score so quick and cut the score to a two point game is not almost blowing a lead when you've been dominating most of the game.

I guess the folks who can't see we almost lost to SEA should also NOT be able to see that we almost won vs DAL since we lost that game.

Key word is almost and some can't grasp that. We DID almost blow a win vs SEA. Ginn is what saved us by the way SEA was beginning to move the ball on us.

We were never losing in any of the games so almost winning is more accurate as far as the Dallas game goes. Seattle we were never losing, it's hard for me to see us almost lose when we had the lead the whole game.

Originally posted by gamechanger:
We were never losing in any of the games so almost winning is more accurate as far as the Dallas game goes. Seattle we were never losing, it's hard for me to see us almost lose when we had the lead the whole game.

LOL so if you're winning 21 to nothing and a team comes back and scores 20 points but misses the extra point, you end up winning. That's not ALMOST losing the lead? Sure. LOL

Originally posted by gamechanger:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Uppercut:

Originally posted by KDTMDSFC:
Yet we won so how did we blow it up again??? Or almost???

- 98

The fact seattle was able to score so quick and cut the score to a two point game is not almost blowing a lead when you've been dominating most of the game.

I guess the folks who can't see we almost lost to SEA should also NOT be able to see that we almost won vs DAL since we lost that game.

Key word is almost and some can't grasp that. We DID almost blow a win vs SEA. Ginn is what saved us by the way SEA was beginning to move the ball on us.

We were never losing in any of the games so almost winning is more accurate as far as the Dallas game goes. Seattle we were never losing, it's hard for me to see us almost lose when we had the lead the whole game.

OK, then we could have almost lost the SEA game. Either way, SEA saw the win at the end of the tunnel that WE opened for them.

Guess what, the opportunity we gave SEA, who couldn't take advantage, DAL took and killed us. There's more to how a game is played than a play or two and we DID almost shoot ourselves in the foot vs SEA.

Originally posted by Joecool:
OK, then we could have almost lost the SEA game. Either way, SEA saw the win at the end of the tunnel that WE opened for them.

Guess what, the opportunity we gave SEA, who couldn't take advantage, DAL took and killed us. There's more to how a game is played than a play or two and we DID almost shoot ourselves in the foot vs SEA.

And who gave them the opportunity? Alex, our o-line, our d-line, our coach, our non-existing running game? I guess it was Alex, all alone.

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by Joecool:
OK, then we could have almost lost the SEA game. Either way, SEA saw the win at the end of the tunnel that WE opened for them.

Guess what, the opportunity we gave SEA, who couldn't take advantage, DAL took and killed us. There's more to how a game is played than a play or two and we DID almost shoot ourselves in the foot vs SEA.

And who gave them the opportunity? Alex, our o-line, our d-line, our coach, our non-existing running game? I guess it was Alex, all alone.

The SEA game? Let's see, we put together a solid drive led by Alex, accept a 4th down penalty for a new set of downs to close shop and run-run-run just yards from the endzone. SEA gets the ball and scores quick to get within 2 points with about 4 minutes left, I think. Ginn saves the day. Yes, we gave them an opportunity to stay in the game until Ginn ran it back.

Let's use boxing. One dude is thumping on another for 11 rounds and goes straight no punch defense, slips a little and the opponent, who has been losing every round gets a solid shot to stagger the boxer, but the guy in the lead recovers and lands a big one to stop the offensive.

THAT is almost losing or making a mistake that could have given it away.

Originally posted by communist:
And who gave them the opportunity? Alex, our o-line, our d-line, our coach, our non-existing running game? I guess it was Alex, all alone.

umm sorry to say but if that was a test that answer would get anyone an F lets be honest alex has played well so far this season is he putting up huge numbers no but he can only do whats in the play calling on the one INT he threw it was a mistake of timing not judgement VD was going for an out route which would have had him oped but there was pressure in his face and he needed to throw the ball he might have been able to wait or put a little more touch on that pass but it could have worked smith has made few mistakes and the team with the fewest mistakes will win we just had to many on defense sunday

Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
I have a question for everyone. Everyone seems to agree that our playcalling has been conservative and Alex has been held back (whether you think its because Alex is horrible or because of our limited offseason is irrelevant). Some people have been impressed by Alex so far. They credit Harbaugh for using him correctly for the first time in his career.

My question is.....In your opinion, is there a starting QB in the NFL right now that couldnt do exactly what Alex is doing thus far?

Yeah, there are lots just look at the qb ratings for a start. Also, I'd bet there would be alot of qb's would be on IR by now playing behind our oline. There is not another qb in the NFL that has a worse oline. But maybe that means nothing? Oh and his supposed #1 wr has been out and #2 played 1 game. Has no running game support so we can't use play action. And then our TE who is our best weapon is being doubled due to lack of respect for our wr's.

Originally posted by rk1642:

Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
I have a question for everyone. Everyone seems to agree that our playcalling has been conservative and Alex has been held back (whether you think its because Alex is horrible or because of our limited offseason is irrelevant). Some people have been impressed by Alex so far. They credit Harbaugh for using him correctly for the first time in his career.

My question is.....In your opinion, is there a starting QB in the NFL right now that couldnt do exactly what Alex is doing thus far?

Yeah, there are lots just look at the qb ratings for a start. Also, I'd bet there would be alot of qb's would be on IR by now playing behind our oline. There is not another qb in the NFL that has a worse oline. But maybe that means nothing? Oh and his supposed #1 wr has been out and #2 played 1 game. Has no running game support so we can't use play action. And then our TE who is our best weapon is being doubled due to lack of respect for our wr's.

Completely missed the point, but thank you for responding.

Seattle had 1 1st down in the 1st half, and we got 2 special team touchdowns.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say there's 30 other teams in the NFL who wins that game. 30 different qbs that come thru that day. Alex has been playing fine, but people need to stop with the Cam or this qb is 0-2. You're not going to say Rex Grossman (2-0) > Rivers. Or Rex Grossman > Drew Brees. The season will play itself out. We've started off 2-0 before when we knew we weren't playing that well. Eventually that sh*t gets exposed.

Not saying Alex is playing bad, I'm just stating 16-24 for 160 yards just isn't going to get it done thru out the year. Harbaugh's going to have to trust him more as time goes on.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Seattle had 1 1st down in the 1st half, and we got 2 special team touchdowns.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say there's 30 other teams in the NFL who wins that game. 30 different qbs that come thru that day. Alex has been playing fine, but people need to stop with the Cam or this qb is 0-2. You're not going to say Rex Grossman (2-0) > Rivers. Or Rex Grossman > Drew Brees. The season will play itself out. We've started off 2-0 before when we knew we weren't playing that well. Eventually that sh*t gets exposed.

Not saying Alex is playing bad, I'm just stating 16-24 for 160 yards just isn't going to get it done thru out the year. Harbaugh's going to have to trust him more as time goes on.

I think the trust thing goes for everyone on offense. I remember hearing or reading something about how our receivers/tes are so use to running their routes behind defenders instead of running them in front of them. I think this is what lead to the int against the Cowboys, Morgan ran his route behind the defender but Alex expected him to make his cut in front of the defender. The ball was there but Morgan wasn't. I hope this gets fixed and will look for the video or article where Harbaugh stated this.

Statistics
By Player Category
By Player Position
By Team Category
Quarterback (Qualified* | All)
Rk Player Team Pos Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate
1 Tom Brady NE QB 63 88 71.6 44.0 940 10.7 470.0 7 1 43 48.9 99T 15 2 3 128.0
2 Aaron Rodgers GB QB 46 65 70.8 32.5 620 9.5 310.0 5 0 23 35.4 84T 7 2 3 126.4
3 Drew Brees NO QB 58 86 67.4 43.0 689 8.0 344.5 6 0 31 36.0 79T 8 1 4 114.9
4 Matthew Stafford DET QB 47 72 65.3 36.0 599 8.3 299.5 7 2 28 38.9 43 9 1 0 112.0
5 Kevin Kolb ARI QB 35 57 61.4 28.5 560 9.8 280.0 4 1 20 35.1 73T 9 3 5 110.3
6 Ryan Fitzpatrick BUF QB 45 71 63.4 35.5 472 6.6 236.0 7 1 30 42.3 35 2 0 1 109.6
7 Tony Romo DAL QB 43 69 62.3 34.5 687 10.0 343.5 4 1 30 43.5 77 11 4 5 108.8
8 Andy Dalton CIN QB 37 56 66.1 28.0 413 7.4 206.5 3 0 19 33.9 84 7 1 5 105.7
9 Matt Schaub HOU QB 38 53 71.7 26.5 450 8.5 225.0 3 2 23 43.4 43 8 1 4 100.4
10 Jason Campbell OAK QB 36 55 65.5 27.5 428 7.8 214.0 3 1 24 43.6 50T 5 2 1 99.7
11 Alex Smith SF QB 31 44 70.5 22.0 303 6.9 151.5 2 1 14 31.8 29T 4 0 6 95.2
12 Matt Hasselbeck TEN QB 51 76 67.1 38.0 621 8.2 310.5 3 2 27 35.5 80T 8 2 2 94.2
13 Michael Vick PHI QB 33 60 55.0 30.0 429 7.1 214.5 4 1 22 36.7 41 9 1 3 93.0
14 Philip Rivers SD QB 62 88 70.5 44.0 713 8.1 356.5 4 4 41 46.6 37 9 0 4 90.8
15 Rex Grossman WAS QB 46 77 59.7 38.5 596 7.7 298.0 4 2 30 39.0 40 11 1 5 90.6
16 Cam Newton CAR QB 52 83 62.7 41.5 854 10.3 427.0 3 4 35 42.2 77T 16 3 8 89.1
17 Mark Sanchez NYJ QB 43 68 63.2 34.0 517 7.6 258.5 4 3 26 38.2 37 7 0 5 87.7
18 Kyle Orton DEN QB 39 71 54.9 35.5 499 7.0 249.5 3 1 25 35.2 52T 5 1 7 85.4
19 Matt Ryan ATL QB 48 75 64.0 37.5 514 6.9 257.0 4 3 28 37.3 32 5 0 9 85.1
20 Josh Freeman TB QB 50 74 67.6 37.0 502 6.8 251.0 2 2 27 36.5 51 3 1 4 84.4
21 Jay Cutler CHI QB 41 77 53.2 38.5 556 7.2 278.0 3 1 25 32.5 56T 7 2 11 84.1
22 Joe Flacco BAL QB 32 61 52.5 30.5 421 6.9 210.5 4 2 21 34.4 32 7 0 4 82.8
23 Colt McCoy CLE QB 41 72 56.9 36.0 424 5.9 212.0 3 1 20 27.8 56 4 1 3 82.2
24 Eli Manning NYG QB 36 61 59.0 30.5 468 7.7 234.0 2 2 19 31.1 68 6 2 7 80.5
25 Tarvaris Jackson SEA QB 41 66 62.1 33.0 356 5.4 178.0 2 1 16 24.2 55T 1 1 10 80.1
26 Chad Henne MIA QB 42 79 53.2 39.5 586 7.4 293.0 3 2 30 38.0 41 13 1 6 79.4
26 Ben Roethlisberger PIT QB 44 71 62.0 35.5 578 8.1 289.0 2 3 30 42.3 53 6 1 6 79.4
28 Sam Bradford STL QB 39 76 51.3 38.0 519 6.8 259.5 1 0 24 31.6 68 6 1 6 77.7
29 Kerry Collins IND QB 35 69 50.7 34.5 388 5.6 194.0 2 1 22 31.9 36 4 0 5 71.4
30 Donovan McNabb MIN QB 25 45 55.6 22.5 267 5.9 133.5 1 1 15 33.3 42 2 1 4 71.3
31 Matt Cassel KC QB 37 58 63.8 29.0 252 4.3 126.0 1 4 14 24.1 45 2 1 4 50.4
32 Luke McCown JAC QB 23 43 53.5 21.5 234 5.4 117.0 0 4 12 27.9 26 3 0 3 30.6

Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
I have a question for everyone. Everyone seems to agree that our playcalling has been conservative and Alex has been held back (whether you think its because Alex is horrible or because of our limited offseason is irrelevant). Some people have been impressed by Alex so far. They credit Harbaugh for using him correctly for the first time in his career.

My question is.....In your opinion, is there a starting QB in the NFL right now that couldnt do exactly what Alex is doing thus far?

Luke McCown.

Matt Cassel.

Pretty much anyone with a lower YPA, completion %, and higher INT %.

And many with no WCO experience.

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
I have a question for everyone. Everyone seems to agree that our playcalling has been conservative and Alex has been held back (whether you think its because Alex is horrible or because of our limited offseason is irrelevant). Some people have been impressed by Alex so far. They credit Harbaugh for using him correctly for the first time in his career.

My question is.....In your opinion, is there a starting QB in the NFL right now that couldnt do exactly what Alex is doing thus far?

Luke McCown.

Matt Cassel.

Pretty much anyone with a lower YPA, completion %, and higher INT %.

And many with no WCO experience.

What certain Quarterbacks are doing on other teams should have no bearing on my question. Because then you have to take into account all the other variables and circumstances that they are in. Im talking about if you take that Quarterback, and put him on our team and handle him the exact same way we are handling Alex (short passes, no downfield risks, run plays on 3rd down, etc)

I will give you Luke McCown.

I will NOT give you Matt Cassel. How a guy who has thrown for 3,600 yards with a 63% completion %, and a 21-11 TD-INT ratio couldnt at the very least duplicate what Alex is doing is laughable.

Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
What certain Quarterbacks are doing on other teams should have no bearing on my question. Because then you have to take into account all the other variables and circumstances that they are in. Im talking about if you take that Quarterback, and put him on our team and handle him the exact same way we are handling Alex (short passes, no downfield risks, run plays on 3rd down, etc)

I will give you Luke McCown.

I will NOT give you Matt Cassel. How a guy who has thrown for 3,600 yards with a 63% completion %, and a 21-11 TD-INT ratio couldnt at the very least duplicate what Alex is doing is laughable.

So...you are saying that each team's situation is unique due to the presence of near infinite variables that are difficult to measure? I agree.

Also glad that I could give you a chuckle.