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***SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS VS.BALTIMORE RAVENS "THE HAR-BOWL" GAMEDAY THREAD***
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:13 PM
- pakalolo415
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It's that John and Jim Harbaugh are brothers idk why they had to mention that throughout the game as much as they did
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:15 PM
- HoneyBadger49er
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Originally posted by BirdsofPrey:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Trouble is, we looked like the 2000 Ravens offense tonight
Touché, but it got us there. You got 5 weve got 1. Your team will crush Pittsburgh, bet on it.
I think so too, other than being dominated by your front 7, I think we did a pretty good job keeping this as close as we could, good game though, good luck in the playoffs.
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:15 PM
- qnnhan7
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Originally posted by BirdsofPrey:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Trouble is, we looked like the 2000 Ravens offense tonight
Touché, but it got us there. You got 5 weve got 1. Your team will crush Pittsburgh, bet on it.
That's your wishful thinking cause they are your division rival. Should kick you in the shin for kissing up to us
Stop depending on us to win the division for you.
[ Edited by qnnhan7 on Nov 24, 2011 at 9:17 PM ]
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:15 PM
- 8to80
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Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:I didn't think I had to make it any clearer. I mean, it's pretty much football 101.
Originally posted by 8to80:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by 8to80:
To be honest, I really believe we would have won if we stuck to a 50/50 run/pass offense. Jim and Greg somehow decided that our O-line was like the Colts's, and that Alex was like Rodgers or Brady.
I disagree. Frank Gore was doing nothing and this is the Ravens run defense we're talking about here. We just got outplayed. I don't think it matters what they could have done.
You missed my point. 50/50 not because Gore/Hunter would break long runs for TDs. 50/50 for balanced attack so their defense couldn't play purely vs pass. We beat the Bengals who have a better run-defense, and in that game we were much closer to 50/50. BTW, in that game, we only rushed for 50 yards.
Then you should have made your original point clearer with the views that you just mentioned.
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:16 PM
- OregonDuckNiner
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Kinda long, but here's my take on what happened.
Gonna be posted on the Bleacher Report tomorrow morning
Gonna be posted on the Bleacher Report tomorrow morning
The San Francisco 49ers lost to the Baltimore Ravens in the much anticipated "Har-bowl", but the loss should be pinned on the Niners' offensive coaching staff and its failure to adapt to the Ravens' defensive scheme.
In case you haven't heard, the Ray Lewis-less Ravens' defense compiled nine quarterback sacks on Alex Smith.
And no, that was not a typo.
You can pin maybe two or three on Alex Smith for holding onto the ball too long, but the offensive line looked as bad as it has since, well, maybe ever.
Towards the beginning of the game, the Ravens' defense was disguising its blitzes to perfection which confused Smith and the offensive line. They would overload defenders on the left side, then bring the house from the right.
This blitzing scheme left Smith on his back and the offensive line's heads spinning throughout the game.
The Ravens' ability to bring the blitz and force Smith into pressure situations is what single-handedly won the game for the Ravens, and it makes you wonder why the 49ers' coaches Jim Harbaugh and Greg Roman—the 49ers' offensive coordinator—did not try to adjust the offensive game plan.
The running game was not working, the Ravens' front seven did an excellent job in shutting down Gore and impeding him from getting into a rhythm.
So the 49ers decided to move to the passing game, and rightly so, but it's how the passing game was executed that eventually prevented the 49ers from scoring a touchdown.
Instead of calling quick passing plays to combat the Ravens' blitzes, the 49ers decided to continually call seven step drops which played right into the hands of the defense.
Instead of calling running back screens, which is football 101 of how to counter the blitz, the 49ers ran passing plays in which Smith was practically live bait inside the pocket.
Then once the 49ers' offensive line was beaten both physically and emotionally, the Ravens were able to supply a heavy amount pressure with only three to four man rushes. Once it came to that, there was no way the 49ers were going to be able to mount a comeback.
The 49ers ran zero running back screens the entire game. The only two wide receiver screens that were called resulted in moderate gains, but that's all we saw from that department.
However, when it's all said and done, the offensive line played terribly. There's no getting around that.
The Ravens' defense is also arguably the best in the NFL when they are on, and there is no doubting that they were on top of their game on Thursday night. And playing on three days rest while traveling three time zones was certainly a huge obstacle to overcome.
Nonetheless, this was the worst offensive scheme the 49ers have put forth all year and it certainly raised some cause for concern.
Three weeks from now, the 49ers will be taking on the Pittsburgh Steelers at home. Their defensive blitzing scheme is similar to the Ravens', so it'll be interesting to see if the Niners are able to make adjustments and learn from their prior mistakes.
[ Edited by OregonDuckNiner on Nov 24, 2011 at 9:17 PM ]
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:16 PM
- HoneyBadger49er
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Originally posted by Baldie:
Originally posted by OC49erLuVeR:
Great game...tough loss. Hope we learn. This will be an issue getting into the playoffs. Playing like this won't get us far. I'm an idealist, but a realist. I'm sure you've heard analysts saying we won't win without putting more points on the board. Playing tough teams like the Ravens or Steelers, putting up field goals ain't going to cut it.
If you were to ask me at the beginning of the season how would you feel being 9-2 at Thanksgiving, I would be stoked! This is a great year. We'll keep building on it.
This is how we should all be feeling right now........Looking at the upside verses the downside thinking we suck and its over. I really feel this loss makes us better and gets us ready for the playoffs.
I agree with this
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:17 PM
- BirdsofPrey
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Originally posted by KowboyKiller:Hey man, really cool of you to come over here and say that, you could've easily gloated, and I'd agree with you if you had.
Here's to wishing for a rematch in the Feb.. for Harbowl part 2.0... ;)
Been lurking and reading your board all week. Me and very many here in Baltimore were worried. Love to see the Niners in February. Best of luck the rest of the way!
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:18 PM
- OC49erLuVeR
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Originally posted by Baldie:
Originally posted by OC49erLuVeR:
Great game...tough loss. Hope we learn. This will be an issue getting into the playoffs. Playing like this won't get us far. I'm an idealist, but a realist. I'm sure you've heard analysts saying we won't win without putting more points on the board. Playing tough teams like the Ravens or Steelers, putting up field goals ain't going to cut it.
If you were to ask me at the beginning of the season how would you feel being 9-2 at Thanksgiving, I would be stoked! This is a great year. We'll keep building on it.
This is how we should all be feeling right now........Looking at the upside verses the downside thinking we suck and its over. I really feel this loss makes us better and gets us ready for the playoffs.
+1000. We've come a long way guys. Plus, you know Jim is so PISSED inside that he lost to his brother. It's GREAT motivation for Jim to get even better. Look where he's taken us so far! Our team has so much upside!!!
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:19 PM
- Schulzy
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Ugh. And now this idiot on Sportscenter is insinuating the 49ers looked like the old 49ers and they're going to go into a tailspin like the Bills.
They didn't lose to freaking St. Louis. The Ravens at home is one of the toughest places to walk out with a win and they hung in there for 4 quarters. I knew it - 1 loss and here comes the "I told ya the 49ers are bogus!" crowd.
Again, on a neutral field, I like the Niners' chances.
They didn't lose to freaking St. Louis. The Ravens at home is one of the toughest places to walk out with a win and they hung in there for 4 quarters. I knew it - 1 loss and here comes the "I told ya the 49ers are bogus!" crowd.
Again, on a neutral field, I like the Niners' chances.
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:20 PM
- Schulzy
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Originally posted by ChazBoner:
Not ONE f**king RB screen called against their aggressive D??? WTF?
This is what I have a problem with. You have to negate the pressure with the screen game and that as a whole has been absent from the O this year. Gotta put that in.
Can't throw Smith out there to the wolves all the time.
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:21 PM
- SnakePlissken
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Originally posted by King49er:
Originally posted by Baldie:
Originally posted by OC49erLuVeR:
Great game...tough loss. Hope we learn. This will be an issue getting into the playoffs. Playing like this won't get us far. I'm an idealist, but a realist. I'm sure you've heard analysts saying we won't win without putting more points on the board. Playing tough teams like the Ravens or Steelers, putting up field goals ain't going to cut it.
If you were to ask me at the beginning of the season how would you feel being 9-2 at Thanksgiving, I would be stoked! This is a great year. We'll keep building on it.
This is how we should all be feeling right now........Looking at the upside verses the downside thinking we suck and its over. I really feel this loss makes us better and gets us ready for the playoffs.
I agree with this
Yeah, we're building upon our first playoff appearance since 2003; Rome wasn't built in a day. -Mike McCarthy inherited 2 HOF-lock QBs and a SB roster, but it took him 4 years to actually get s**t done and win it all.
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:21 PM
- BirdsofPrey
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Originally posted by qnnhan7:That's your wishful thinking cause they are your division rival. Should kick you in the shin for kissing up to us
Stop depending on us to win the division for you.
Darn. Guess I gotta go. We do know Pittsburgh very well. You guys are at home against them. Play the D you played tonight you have them.
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:23 PM
- ace49ers
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Pitts will be the game where we will see if we learnt something from this loss. After that Cowboys loss in over time this team learnt how not to give up a lead.
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:25 PM
- 9erfanAUS
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Originally posted by 8to80:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:I didn't think I had to make it any clearer. I mean, it's pretty much football 101.
Originally posted by 8to80:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by 8to80:
To be honest, I really believe we would have won if we stuck to a 50/50 run/pass offense. Jim and Greg somehow decided that our O-line was like the Colts's, and that Alex was like Rodgers or Brady.
I disagree. Frank Gore was doing nothing and this is the Ravens run defense we're talking about here. We just got outplayed. I don't think it matters what they could have done.
You missed my point. 50/50 not because Gore/Hunter would break long runs for TDs. 50/50 for balanced attack so their defense couldn't play purely vs pass. We beat the Bengals who have a better run-defense, and in that game we were much closer to 50/50. BTW, in that game, we only rushed for 50 yards.
Then you should have made your original point clearer with the views that you just mentioned.
Yes, your one sentence point with no complementary elaboration is football 101.
Nov 24, 2011 at 9:30 PM
- Gore_21
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If anyone wants a bright spot still no rushing TD allowed this season and 33 consecutive games without a 100 yard rusher. Only 6 shy of tying the Ravens record.