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Can we give some props to Trent Baalke?

Can we give some props to Trent Baalke?

Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by valrod33:
We tried trading for Lloyd but he told the Broncos he didnt want to come here

Lloyd doesnt fit this scheme. He is a run to the zone and wait receiver, not the physical presence we want. Great hands, but why waste a 6th round pick for a #3 receiver for 10 games. He is a free agent at the end of the season and with the way this team has been nailing late round picks lately, better off keeping the pick.

Remember we are still building a foundation here, not adding to a championship team. Building for the future does not mean trading draft picks for 10 games of production if he can even pick the offense up fast enough to start after the bye. As a fan I'm not interested in a one year wonder, I want the niners to have a competitive team year in and year out, trading away picks is the opposite of what we should be doing.

We seems to have a difference of opinion on the value of a 6th round pick, which I see as very hit or miss. By contrast, I would hold onto 2nd and 3rd round picks like my firstborn son. I actually do think it's worth it for 10 games (you keep forgetting the playoffs) of production from a proven WR, the weakest part of our game right now.

I think it's a case by case basis and in this instance the pick is more valuable. Lloyd would not start ahead Braylon or Crabs. We line up in 3 TE sets more often than 3 WR sets, but that may be due to personel, who knows. Lloyd isn't the instant starter type and doesnt thrive in power schemes. He is suited to a spread offense where he gets soft zones to work in. The second you stop sending 3-4 wr's down the field in routes he becomes no better than a solid #3 wr.

Looking at some of the previous 6th round picks to make the team you got Byham, Williams, Dixon, and Jones. Dixon's dancing has hurt his stock on this team but the rest of those guys appear to be solid contributors for the future. I would take another TE like Byham over Lloyd anyday of the week in this type of offense. As college athletes get better and better there is more value found in the later rounds, why trade that potential value for a WR with a history of attitude problems that would not be a starter and possibly never pick up the offense by the time his contract is up. I think it's great what we are doing this year, but Im against short term solutions.
Originally posted by valrod33:
Reggie Wayne is not available, Schefter said that the Colts should try and trade him and Mathis but then everybody ran with it like he was saying they were on the block when in reality he was just giving his opinion of trades that he thinks should happen

That makes more sense because I couldn't figure out why the heck they'd want to trade those two guys.
I think we are splitting hairs here. Someone stated earlier why fix something that isn't broken. And right now with Trent Baalke's track record, I wouldn't want to trade for an overpriced player who may or may not start.
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I think we are splitting hairs here. Someone stated earlier why fix something that isn't broken. And right now with Trent Baalke's track record, I wouldn't want to trade for an overpriced player who may or may not start.

I keep hearing this..."why fix something that isn't broken"...nothing is actually "broken" right now, but there's no denying we're very thin at WR and we have to have some sort of passing game to keep balanced and keep Gore/Hunter free to do their thing.

Regarding WR, we're really hoping Edwards' knee holds up (no guarantee) and he can get right back into the offense and produce. Also, with Crabtree's foot being uncertain and with Morgan gone this year, can we really afford to move on without at least taking a look at a good potential #2 or #3 WR? We all know Ginn's limitations as a dependable NFL WR (this past Sunday was an example...was he just not getting open?). And Williams...he might have had one pass thrown his way this past game? Swain is a complete unknown (and unproven). I know we're going to rely on our TEs to catch more passes...we need more depth at WR as we have a shot THIS year to do some real damage given our coaching and the talent on this team.
Originally posted by stunder49:
why would you try to fix something that is not broken?

Exactly. I would say resist the urge. We've got one of the youngest teams in the league. Harbaugh is plugging in young talent and making it work. Don't mess with what is working just fine. Let the Raiders trade away high draft picks for a QB who never got over the shock of losing his kneecap in a playoff game. Keep our picks. Draft wisely.

Resist the urge Baalke! RESIST!
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by valrod33:
We tried trading for Lloyd but he told the Broncos he didnt want to come here

Lloyd doesnt fit this scheme. He is a run to the zone and wait receiver, not the physical presence we want. Great hands, but why waste a 6th round pick for a #3 receiver for 10 games. He is a free agent at the end of the season and with the way this team has been nailing late round picks lately, better off keeping the pick.

Remember we are still building a foundation here, not adding to a championship team. Building for the future does not mean trading draft picks for 10 games of production if he can even pick the offense up fast enough to start after the bye. As a fan I'm not interested in a one year wonder, I want the niners to have a competitive team year in and year out, trading away picks is the opposite of what we should be doing.

We actually offered the Broncos a better package of picks then the Rams gave up but like I said Lloyd told the Broncos he didnt want to come here.

I dont like LLoyd so it doenst bother me none

Yeah that's fair enough. I'm curious where you are learning Lloyd vetoed the Niners. I definitely think we are fine without him, but I think the trade would have helped us.

Someone posted it in the lloyd thread, i dont feel like searching for it

BLloyd is a FA at the end of the season. he wanted to go to a team where he would be the #1 to showcase his talents. he knew that BE was coming back and he'd only be a #3 here at best.
Originally posted by valrod33:
We actually offered the Broncos a better package of picks then the Rams gave up but like I said Lloyd told the Broncos he didnt want to come here.

I dont like LLoyd so it doenst bother me none

It's quite obvious that Lloyd is more interested in posting numbers than winning games.

The Rams air it out more, and lose games because they give the ball back to the other team too quickly. The way he gets paid is with highlight reel catches on Sports Center and big production numbers.

Lloyd would start complaining after 2 weeks (including the Bye) for not getting enough targets.

Harbaugh football is based on defense, ball control, and opportunistic passing. I think that he views 40+ pass attempts as evidence that the game plan has failed.
he would rather go to a team that is 0-6 than to a team that is 5-1. if thats the truth that tells you all you need to know about lloyd
Originally posted by stunder49:
why would you try to fix something that is not broken?

Even though I have dreamt the last few nights about picking up a Brandon Marshall or Dwayne Bowe in a trade either one of those guys would be beast on our offense. But like a few said I think Baalke has to resist temptation unless there is something too good to pass up. Add in that we still dont know how good Braylon will be no need to lose picks in April. I think alot of folks forget the numbers Braylon put up when he actuallly had decent QB play from Derrick Anderson in Cleveland.
Originally posted by 5280High:
Lloyd doesnt fit this scheme. He is a run to the zone and wait receiver, not the physical presence we want. Great hands, but why waste a 6th round pick for a #3 receiver for 10 games. He is a free agent at the end of the season and with the way this team has been nailing late round picks lately, better off keeping the pick.

Remember we are still building a foundation here, not adding to a championship team. Building for the future does not mean trading draft picks for 10 games of production if he can even pick the offense up fast enough to start after the bye. As a fan I'm not interested in a one year wonder, I want the niners to have a competitive team year in and year out, trading away picks is the opposite of what we should be doing.

Good points all... One more...Lloyd is being traded from Denver mainly because of this attitude and one has to wonder if that is someone the Niners would want to bring in at this point. I'm kind of glad this deal didn't materialize, even though I trust Baalke's judgment at this stage.
Throwing draft picks away for a known quantity like a Brandon Lloyd is not how you build a franchise, it's a go for broke mentality. The team we want is a 80s-styles 49ers / modern Pats-type dynasty, not the no-draft-pick having modern Raiders crapshoot.
I think the 49ers will not do things to mess up the Chemistry on the team. Lloyd is known to be a "diva." Yes he would have been nice, but why mess up what we have. I think Braylon Edwards is going to be a beast for us when he comes back. He looked good in limited action so far and it will open things up for Crabtree on the other side. It really sucks that Morgan is out for the year.

Also have faith in Baalke, has he screwed up any moves in the offseason? HELL NO. Probably the only one would be David Baas that I want back. And they wanted to sign Goldson for a long term contract but he turned down 25 million, I don't think we would be the same defense without him. He is the enforcer in the secondary.

One of the best moves Baalke made last year was getting Ted Ginn for a 5th round pick. So Baalke knows what he's doing. He won't give up our top picks, but if the price is right he will make a move.
With the way things are going right now for us....don't you think Baalke should try and resign or sign to long term deals to the one year players now? Maybe start negotiating deals for Morgan, Edwards, Rogers, Whitner, etc.? They are playing well now....and if we wait until the end of the season...they might go to other teams for more money. These players love that they are here why not start talking now to avoid the chance of losing them at the end of the season.

The defense is playing lights out and I think we need to keep that core together. It would be nice to keep our current core of WR's together as they are gelling well.
[ Edited by Baldie on Oct 18, 2011 at 11:31 AM ]
Originally posted by Baldie:
With the way things are going right now for us....don't you think Baalke should try and resign or sign to long term deals to the one year players now? Maybe start negotiating deals for Morgan, Edwards, Rogers, Whitner, etc.? They are playing well now....and if we wait until the end of the season...they might go to other teams for more money. These players love that they are here why not start talking now to avoid the chance of losing them at the end of the season.

Didn't Whitner sign a three-year deal? I agree with the rest though, I really would love to see them signed sooner rather than later. Maybe think about extending Bowman as well.
Originally posted by Baldie:
With the way things are going right now for us....don't you think Baalke should try and resign or sign to long term deals to the one year players now? Maybe start negotiating deals for Morgan, Edwards, Rogers, Whitner, etc.? They are playing well now....and if we wait until the end of the season...they might go to other teams for more money. These players love that they are here why not start talking now to avoid the chance of losing them at the end of the season.

The defense is playing lights out and I think we need to keep that core together. It would be nice to keep our current core of WR's together as they are gelling well.

cus your 6 games in, why sign a guy now when u dont know what the other 10 games will bring, last thing we need is to re-up someone right now, then they blow out a knee 3 weeks from now