Training Camp 2011-2012

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Well there is two parties and arguing is why this thread keeps growing.

Anyone who mentions a con of AS gets ganged up on and insulted..? is that right ?

No, you are incorrect. This is what you guys are turning it into, when there is no need for it.

What this thread should do is focus on what he needs to do or is doing right now, to lead this team. If he does something well, come in the thread and state it. If he jacks something up, come in this thread and state it. Nobody will have a problem with this. What they have a problem with is bringing up 5 year old situations as relevant. (And that goes both ways, good and bad).

There are some posters who talk about today. There are some that want to bring up old s**t. There are some who cannot let go of the past and harp on it constantly. Alex Smith is the QB of the San Francisco 49ers, so people want to discuss him. Because of this, some posters will support him endlessly. He is the QB of their favorite team, that is understandable. So lets discuss him today. But quit trying to divide sides. You don't need to be pro or against him. If you cannot talk about relevant situations, or cannot bring yourself to forget about old stuff that happened, stay out of the thread. Also, if during preseason, training camp or the season he messes something up, do not come in here if you cannot let people acknowledge he made a mistake. We do that with other players, the same rules apply for him.

I click on this thread to read AS stuff..and when i do there's a disagreement

and now I'm the bad guy just for talking about it?

some how im a troll and a hater for asking a simple question that didn't even bash AS and if some says it's because what i reply on peoples post it is because that was what i received and it's what i see here.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Well there is two parties and arguing is why this thread keeps growing.

Anyone who mentions a con of AS gets ganged up on and insulted..? is that right ?

No, you are incorrect. This is what you guys are turning it into, when there is no need for it.

What this thread should do is focus on what he needs to do or is doing right now, to lead this team. If he does something well, come in the thread and state it. If he jacks something up, come in this thread and state it. Nobody will have a problem with this. What they have a problem with is bringing up 5 year old situations as relevant. (And that goes both ways, good and bad).

There are some posters who talk about today. There are some that want to bring up old s**t. There are some who cannot let go of the past and harp on it constantly. Alex Smith is the QB of the San Francisco 49ers, so people want to discuss him. Because of this, some posters will support him endlessly. He is the QB of their favorite team, that is understandable. So lets discuss him today. But quit trying to divide sides. You don't need to be pro or against him. If you cannot talk about relevant situations, or cannot bring yourself to forget about old stuff that happened, stay out of the thread. Also, if during preseason, training camp or the season he messes something up, do not come in here if you cannot let people acknowledge he made a mistake. We do that with other players, the same rules apply for him.

I click on this thread to read AS stuff..and when i do there's a disagreement

and now I'm the bad guy just for talking about it?

some how im a troll and a hater for asking a simple question that didn't even bash AS and if some says it's because what i reply on peoples post it is because that was what i received and it's what i see here.

Again, you're missing the point.

Feel free to comment on the guy, good or bad. But don't base your (mostly) "con" argument on the past which you normally do. THIS is a new year and go from there. You have doubts about the guy? Hell, most of us do but try and see the other side of the argument once in a while.

- 98

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
I click on this thread to read AS stuff..and when i do there's a disagreement

and now I'm the bad guy just for talking about it?

some how im a troll and a hater for asking a simple question that didn't even bash AS and if some says it's because what i reply on peoples post it is because that was what i received and it's what i see here.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:thats easy...but can you knock AS for anything....

you are right, I mistaked posts like the above for bashing him. You probably were just kidding.

Not picking on you bro, there are a lot of people who just come to bash him. My point is lets just quit picking sides and talk about AS today, good or bad. Quit bringing up old s**t. That includes bad coaching, excuses, poor performance, a good game he had in 1943...etc. Just isn't relevant.

AS is the QB of the team. He is not Tom Brady, but he isn't David Carr either. He is a guy who seemed to put some stuff together last year, and shows the ability to improve. His coach backs him, some posters back him, and I will back him. Doesn't mean I cant knock him when he messes up either.

Go Niners. And that warlords dudes post above was funny.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
I click on this thread to read AS stuff..and when i do there's a disagreement

and now I'm the bad guy just for talking about it?

some how im a troll and a hater for asking a simple question that didn't even bash AS and if some says it's because what i reply on peoples post it is because that was what i received and it's what i see here.

I try to only get into arguments i know i can win, you have come off as a little snide, coming from me someone who understands there is grey area and both sides of this argument can be kind of annoying at times, your fighting a losing battle. A lot of people here cant understand criticism of AS and a few ppl here cant understand compliments given to him. He has come such a long way its like watching a brother or Son, come through a rough time and finally acheive some success. ASo you have to understand people are going to be touchy on the supportive side of this argument, they have a right to be.

Just as people who feel they have had to put up with shaky QB play and even worse organizational skills by Coaches and FO people, can be emotional when they are being critical.

So you are not wrong for being critical, your just going at it with a bunch of people who want to be rid of people who are critical in a sort of cheeky and sarcastic way sometimes. Just bring forth your real criticisms, and let it ride when someone responds directly to the character of your posts, because you dont want to dig a deep hole for yourself, this can be a fun forum to be a part of man.

Im not coming at you for doing anything specific either, just dont want you to get tripped up by making people around here mad, then they wont be as likely to listen when you have serious critiques or compliments of his play.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I would guess most of us are... He needs to improve his 3rd down conversion along with the whole team offense. How is this even argued about is just amazing. Unless your contention is that Smith has to convert 3rd downs all by himself in a team game of football. Which is ridiculous on a whole new level.

Well, third down is considered the passing down and he's the QB...

Its not like he's had one or two bad years on third while under center. His whole career has been crap on third down. Why? I'm not sure. OLineman and WRs have come and gone, yet the third down deficiencies are still there. Id have to guess its because when its third down, which is considered a passing down, defenses drop coverage and bring the heat, forcing Smith to make a quick decision. This has been one of his criticisms in the past and present. Lets hope this will change this year.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I would guess most of us are... He needs to improve his 3rd down conversion along with the whole team offense. How is this even argued about is just amazing. Unless your contention is that Smith has to convert 3rd downs all by himself in a team game of football. Which is ridiculous on a whole new level.

Well, third down is considered the passing down and he's the QB...

Its not like he's had one or two bad years on third while under center. His whole career has been crap on third down. Why? I'm not sure. OLineman and WRs have come and gone, yet the third down deficiencies are still there. Id have to guess its because when its third down, which is considered a passing down, defenses drop coverage and bring the heat, forcing Smith to make a quick decision. This has been one of his criticisms in the past and present. Lets hope this will change this year.

True, but for at least the Singletary/Raye years, first and second downs were runs up the middle for little or no gain, coupled with false start penalties sprinkled in between and that left us in a lot of third and long situations. And third and long is difficult for most qbs to convert.

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Originally posted by jcashen87:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
I click on this thread to read AS stuff..and when i do there's a disagreement

and now I'm the bad guy just for talking about it?

some how im a troll and a hater for asking a simple question that didn't even bash AS and if some says it's because what i reply on peoples post it is because that was what i received and it's what i see here.

I try to only get into arguments i know i can win, you have come off as a little snide, coming from me someone who understands there is grey area and both sides of this argument can be kind of annoying at times, your fighting a losing battle. A lot of people here cant understand criticism of AS and a few ppl here cant understand compliments given to him. He has come such a long way its like watching a brother or Son, come through a rough time and finally acheive some success. ASo you have to understand people are going to be touchy on the supportive side of this argument, they have a right to be.

Just as people who feel they have had to put up with shaky QB play and even worse organizational skills by Coaches and FO people, can be emotional when they are being critical.

So you are not wrong for being critical, your just going at it with a bunch of people who want to be rid of people who are critical in a sort of cheeky and sarcastic way sometimes. Just bring forth your real criticisms, and let it ride when someone responds directly to the character of your posts, because you dont want to dig a deep hole for yourself, this can be a fun forum to be a part of man.

Im not coming at you for doing anything specific either, just dont want you to get tripped up by making people around here mad, then they wont be as likely to listen when you have serious critiques or compliments of his play.

And likely, when someone responds to your post with a one liner like " yeah but whats his 3rd down ratio..lulz...." ppl usaully arent trying to have a convo with you, so dont be that guy either

Im getting so stoked for this game!!!!! Yeah baby

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I would guess most of us are... He needs to improve his 3rd down conversion along with the whole team offense. How is this even argued about is just amazing. Unless your contention is that Smith has to convert 3rd downs all by himself in a team game of football. Which is ridiculous on a whole new level.

Well, third down is considered the passing down and he's the QB...

Its not like he's had one or two bad years on third while under center. His whole career has been crap on third down. Why? I'm not sure. OLineman and WRs have come and gone, yet the third down deficiencies are still there. Id have to guess its because when its third down, which is considered a passing down, defenses drop coverage and bring the heat, forcing Smith to make a quick decision. This has been one of his criticisms in the past and present. Lets hope this will change this year.

In some cases yes... But very debatable because there are down and distance involved. And also what the offense is trying to do against the defense during the game. If you are thinking about the generic run, run, pass offense with a 3rd and long as a result than -- yeah the pressure is not only on Smith but the offensive line and the receivers to convert that. But the Harbaugh's offense or any good offense, can result in a 3rd and short or 3rd and 4-5. In that situation it might come down to what the OC like to do based on what the defense is giving them. The OC can go run or pass to get that 4-5 yards.

It's easy to make a simple statement and say that Smith is terrible on 3rd downs. In part it's true, but in reality it's more involved than just him.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I would guess most of us are... He needs to improve his 3rd down conversion along with the whole team offense. How is this even argued about is just amazing. Unless your contention is that Smith has to convert 3rd downs all by himself in a team game of football. Which is ridiculous on a whole new level.

Well, third down is considered the passing down and he's the QB...

Its not like he's had one or two bad years on third while under center. His whole career has been crap on third down. Why? I'm not sure. OLineman and WRs have come and gone, yet the third down deficiencies are still there. Id have to guess its because when its third down, which is considered a passing down, defenses drop coverage and bring the heat, forcing Smith to make a quick decision. This has been one of his criticisms in the past and present. Lets hope this will change this year.

Well yeah, i kinda posted somethin about that last page. Theres alot that goes into a play going wrong, its alot easier to assume its the qb who messed up, im referring to passing plays on 3rd down ofcourse, but we dont really know the details. And furthermore, last season is more a of a guideline for what the team,QB included, needs to do to improve the 3rd down issue.

And historically AS maybe hasnt been good on 3rd, but that doesnt mean he cant improve.

I can guarantee i was not good at sex at first, but now im pretty sure i could be a porn star,if i was just a few inches longer.... just sayin

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
you are right, I mistaked posts like the above for bashing him. You probably were just kidding.

Not picking on you bro, there are a lot of people who just come to bash him. My point is lets just quit picking sides and talk about AS today, good or bad. Quit bringing up old s**t. That includes bad coaching, excuses, poor performance, a good game he had in 1943...etc. Just isn't relevant.

AS is the QB of the team. He is not Tom Brady, but he isn't David Carr either. He is a guy who seemed to put some stuff together last year, and shows the ability to improve. His coach backs him, some posters back him, and I will back him. Doesn't mean I cant knock him when he messes up either.

Go Niners. And that warlords dudes post above was funny.

Originally posted by whiskywarlord:
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Originally posted by jcashen87:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
I click on this thread to read AS stuff..and when i do there's a disagreement

and now I'm the bad guy just for talking about it?

some how im a troll and a hater for asking a simple question that didn't even bash AS and if some says it's because what i reply on peoples post it is because that was what i received and it's what i see here.

I try to only get into arguments i know i can win, you have come off as a little snide, coming from me someone who understands there is grey area and both sides of this argument can be kind of annoying at times, your fighting a losing battle. A lot of people here cant understand criticism of AS and a few ppl here cant understand compliments given to him. He has come such a long way its like watching a brother or Son, come through a rough time and finally acheive some success. ASo you have to understand people are going to be touchy on the supportive side of this argument, they have a right to be.

Just as people who feel they have had to put up with shaky QB play and even worse organizational skills by Coaches and FO people, can be emotional when they are being critical.

So you are not wrong for being critical, your just going at it with a bunch of people who want to be rid of people who are critical in a sort of cheeky and sarcastic way sometimes. Just bring forth your real criticisms, and let it ride when someone responds directly to the character of your posts, because you dont want to dig a deep hole for yourself, this can be a fun forum to be a part of man.

Im not coming at you for doing anything specific either, just dont want you to get tripped up by making people around here mad, then they wont be as likely to listen when you have serious critiques or compliments of his play.

And likely, when someone responds to your post with a one liner like " yeah but whats his 3rd down ratio..lulz...." ppl usaully arent trying to have a convo with you, so dont be that guy either

Im getting so stoked for this game!!!!! Yeah baby

That's where i was suckered and followed suit...but i guess i did a better job to get noticed no excuse...

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
That's where i was suckered and followed suit...but i guess i did a better job to get noticed no excuse...

Dont sweat it man, at the end of the day, were all fans and want the same thing. Some ppl just get really emotional over all this, and i do understand, from perspectives, panties just get knotted sometimes! lol

Ya know, when my wifes panties are all up in knot, i tell her its time to pull em off and take care of this sh!t.....i dont know how that pertains to this thread but, yeah i said it.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
lol most posters want to disregard AS's seasons prior and blame crappy coaching for his play...but then bring up past stats to prove a point that he's good when he sucked in the RZ with a better coach

This was your exact post... frankly came out of nowhere. No one suckered you into anything. You needed attention and obviously got it (and then some) after posting what can only be described as unnecessary an inciting in nature. You even added a little smiley with a waving flag because you fully knew that you were stirring up a good one.

All of this really IS a dead issue for me, and we all know who feels this way or that... but that latest "poorest me, I was the 2nd guy caught pushing thanks to the 1st guy that started it" comment is just too dishonest and insults all of our collective intelligence. You said earlier that you were gonna stop the BS.. but apparently could not. Now the mods have asked that you stop the BS. I hope you really will or can. Would be nice if we can all enjoy the season and let go of the petty crap of the past.

This is what Dolphins head coach Joe Philbin had to say about Chad:
"Has been impressive. He's very serious. He's very passionate about what he does. We like his work ethic, the energy, the enthusiasm that he brings".

He's hungry.
Regardless of who you are, everyone is hungry for redemption.

Yes, I understand this roster is stacked with recievers... injury prone ones.

Johnson will come for a cheap price. Has a lot of upside, but can be cut if anything goes wrong. A 1 year contract won't hurt.

For those of you who will post about him "head-butting his wife", remember it's just an allegation.

Time to see some

No.

And

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/372854/20120812/chad-johnson-ochocinco-evelyn-lozado-domestic-battery.htm