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Training Camp 2011-2012

Originally posted by dtcomposer:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
lol most posters want to disregard AS's seasons prior and blame crappy coaching for his play...but then bring up past stats to prove a point that he's good when he sucked in the RZ with a better coach

Do you even comprehend football? The whole team was bad at third downs and red zone, these are the last parts of an offense to be installed. The reason for these struggles don't fall on one person, but on the offense as a whole. What you are complaining about is not as ridiculous as your posting nothing but negative stuff about your own teams qb. Your posts would be more at home on a seahawks or cardinals site.

Yet since 2006, when another QB other than Alex has been under center, our 3rd down % has increased. Basically you are chalking this up to coincidence?

I would guess most of us are... He needs to improve his 3rd down conversion along with the whole team offense. How is this even argued about is just amazing. Unless your contention is that Smith has to convert 3rd downs all by himself in a team game of football. Which is ridiculous on a whole new level.

If I remember correctly it was a very marginal increase. I guess that could say something, or could be coincidence. Either way it is an extremely minor point.

Really if someone want to prove that Smith is bad on 3rd down conversion, wouldn't have to go back further than the NFCCG. It was 1of 13. But he needs help from others around him to turn that around also.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Well there is two parties and arguing is why this thread keeps growing.

Anyone who mentions a con of AS gets ganged up on and insulted..? is that right ?


Listen, if you went into a Mcdonalds, and said "Hey everybody, Mcdonalds sucks and that clowns a b*****d..." or something along those lines,some ppl like mcdonalds, some may not like Mcdonalds food all that much, they might down right hate it! but, hey its food and thats where there eating.

Fact is, your probably not gettin out of there with out a bic mac up the ass, ya know what i mean?

Its kinda like this thread, just enjoy your burger man
[ Edited by whiskywarlord on Aug 9, 2012 at 10:24 AM ]
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
lol most posters want to disregard AS's seasons prior and blame crappy coaching for his play...but then bring up past stats to prove a point that he's good when he sucked in the RZ with a better coach

Do you even comprehend football? The whole team was bad at third downs and red zone, these are the last parts of an offense to be installed. The reason for these struggles don't fall on one person, but on the offense as a whole. What you are complaining about is not as ridiculous as your posting nothing but negative stuff about your own teams qb. Your posts would be more at home on a seahawks or cardinals site.

Yet since 2006, when another QB other than Alex has been under center, our 3rd down % has increased. Basically you are chalking this up to coincidence?

Really? I'd like to look at that. Can you link where you found those stats?
Originally posted by whiskywarlord:
Listen, if you went into a Mcdonalds, and said "Hey everybody, Mcdonalds sucks and that clowns a b*****d..." or something along those lines. My point is, many ppl may not like Mcdonalds food all that much, they might down right hate it! but, hey its food and thats where there eating.

Fact is, your probably not gettin out of there with out a bic mac up the ass, ya know what i mean?

Its kinda like this thread, just enjoy your burger man

This made me chuckle. I think I am gonna like you.
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by dtcomposer:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Originally posted by 80sbaby24:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
lol most posters want to disregard AS's seasons prior and blame crappy coaching for his play...but then bring up past stats to prove a point that he's good when he sucked in the RZ with a better coach

Do you even comprehend football? The whole team was bad at third downs and red zone, these are the last parts of an offense to be installed. The reason for these struggles don't fall on one person, but on the offense as a whole. What you are complaining about is not as ridiculous as your posting nothing but negative stuff about your own teams qb. Your posts would be more at home on a seahawks or cardinals site.

Yet since 2006, when another QB other than Alex has been under center, our 3rd down % has increased. Basically you are chalking this up to coincidence?

I would guess most of us are... He needs to improve his 3rd down conversion along with the whole team offense. How is this even argued about is just amazing. Unless your contention is that Smith has to convert 3rd downs all by himself in a team game of football. Which is ridiculous on a whole new level.

If I remember correctly it was a very marginal increase. I guess that could say something, or could be coincidence. Either way it is an extremely minor point.

Really if someone want to prove that Smith is bad on 3rd down conversion, wouldn't have to go back further than the NFCCG. It was 1of 13. But he needs help from others around him to turn that around also.

Yeah I think 80's is trying to make the argument that Alex is the main problem because those other guys had marginally better stats. (though he leaves out the word marginally). There is probably some shade of truth to it Alex's style of play is cautious by design, confidence in teammates, or instinct at times, which may slightly affect his success., but I agree that it is a team issue.

At the very least we should be using passing third downs from reasonable distance (less than 15 yds) to really compare what the old QB's did. Again, I don't think it is even statistically significant, and though I know where the stats are I'm tired of finding them when it seems to not get through to those with 80's opinion.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by whiskywarlord:
Listen, if you went into a Mcdonalds, and said "Hey everybody, Mcdonalds sucks and that clowns a b*****d..." or something along those lines. My point is, many ppl may not like Mcdonalds food all that much, they might down right hate it! but, hey its food and thats where there eating.

Fact is, your probably not gettin out of there with out a bic mac up the ass, ya know what i mean?

Its kinda like this thread, just enjoy your burger man

This made me chuckle. I think I am gonna like you.

I'd say 13-3 makes the 9ers more like in-n-out than McDees
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by whiskywarlord:
Listen, if you went into a Mcdonalds, and said "Hey everybody, Mcdonalds sucks and that clowns a b*****d..." or something along those lines. My point is, many ppl may not like Mcdonalds food all that much, they might down right hate it! but, hey its food and thats where there eating.

Fact is, your probably not gettin out of there with out a bic mac up the ass, ya know what i mean?

Its kinda like this thread, just enjoy your burger man

This made me chuckle. I think I am gonna like you.

It's not burgers it's corn dogs... noob


Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Well there is two parties and arguing is why this thread keeps growing.

Anyone who mentions a con of AS gets ganged up on and insulted..? is that right ?

No dude, if you don't like Alex that is fine and dandy. I actually understand why people feel the way they do. Just don't come on here and make it seem like it's a bad thing to root for our starting QB. You seem to do things a lot just to get a reaction and you even admitted it last page. I'm guilty of the same, I've done it to you but I only do that in response to your constant negative attitude around here.

I have seen many people here admit Alex still has work to do. His 3rd% has to improve, his redzone % needs to improve. Me personally I could even say he needs to start taking more chances. Alex takes the safe way out on many occasions, and he needs to start letting it rip. See I have no problem admitting Alex has flaws in his game at the moment. But I do not blame Alex for all these mistakes, if you do again that's your rightful opinion. But the difference is you do nothing but trash the guy around every corner. I have yet to see you post one positive thing about Alex. I don't understand why you can do that? I mean if Harbaugh wanted him back then theres obviously some good things he does right? We made it to the NFCC, and the QB touches the ball more than any other player. His stats aren't amazing but they aren't awful. Keep in mind he also threw the ball less than any QB in the league. To expect Alex to have dynamite stats while throwing 26 times a game is completely unfair.

The guy may not be Joe Montana, but he's not the worst QB in the world either. Right now he's probably about middle of the pack in the current NFL. Thing is everything you read or hear about the guy he's improving. It's been a slow incline but he's improved every single year. Right now he is not great, but at the same time it's not the end of the world. With our defense we don't need an explosive offense. What we do need is to keep drives alive, take more time off the clock, and put up 4 more points.
WDF??? Double post...
[ Edited by JiksJuicy on Aug 9, 2012 at 10:31 AM ]
Originally posted by Jakemall:
Really? I'd like to look at that. Can you link where you found those stats?

Really like to get a look at that also. See, here is my thinking on this... aside from the what-should-be-obvious TEAM concept that envelops such a statistic..

- 2006. We were a strong running team, so overall, I doubt that our 3rd down % were all that bad?
- 2007. JIM HOSTLER. Jim Hostler!!! need I say more? and Alex started out the season, but left us with injury after a 2-1 start. After that and after Dilfer was replaced by Hill, guess what? (as if this needs saying AGAIN)... a man named Ted Tollner came in to "assist" Hostler. Tollner likely had a heavy hand in turning around our efficiency from Hostler.
- 2008. Alex never played a down. Injured Reserve. But Martz... once Hill replaced JT O'Suckavan? Martz changed his normal style of crazy to implement safe and controlled offense. I bet THAT stunned defenses a bit.. as they had to scramble to predict just what we would do.
- 2009-2010. Jimmy Raye, Singletary offense, Mike Johnson. Really? Enough said.

So what are we really talking about here?
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by whiskywarlord:
Listen, if you went into a Mcdonalds, and said "Hey everybody, Mcdonalds sucks and that clowns a b*****d..." or something along those lines. My point is, many ppl may not like Mcdonalds food all that much, they might down right hate it! but, hey its food and thats where there eating.

Fact is, your probably not gettin out of there with out a bic mac up the ass, ya know what i mean?

Its kinda like this thread, just enjoy your burger man

This made me chuckle. I think I am gonna like you.

I second that sentiment.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Really like to get a look at that also. See, here is my thinking on this... aside from the what-should-be-obvious TEAM concept that envelops such a statistic..

- 2006. We were a strong running team, so overall, I doubt that our 3rd down % were all that bad?
- 2007. JIM HOSTLER. Jim Hostler!!! need I say more? and Alex started out the season, but left us with injury after a 2-1 start. After that and after Dilfer was replaced by Hill, guess what? (as if this needs saying AGAIN)... a man named Ted Tollner came in to "assist" Hostler. Tollner likely had a heavy hand in turning around our efficiency from Hostler.
- 2008. Alex never played a down. Injured Reserve. But Martz... once Hill replaced JT O'Suckavan? Martz changed his normal style of crazy to implement safe and controlled offense. I bet THAT stunned defenses a bit.. as they had to scramble to predict just what we would do.
- 2009-2010. Jimmy Raye, Singletary offense, Mike Johnson. Really? Enough said.

So what are we really talking about here?

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Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by whiskywarlord:
Listen, if you went into a Mcdonalds, and said "Hey everybody, Mcdonalds sucks and that clowns a b*****d..." or something along those lines. My point is, many ppl may not like Mcdonalds food all that much, they might down right hate it! but, hey its food and thats where there eating.

Fact is, your probably not gettin out of there with out a bic mac up the ass, ya know what i mean?

Its kinda like this thread, just enjoy your burger man

This made me chuckle. I think I am gonna like you.


I enjoy all your post, along with many others around here, you guys keep on fightin the good fight
I just read more than i post, which for me, is probably a good thing!
Originally posted by whiskywarlord:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Well there is two parties and arguing is why this thread keeps growing.

Anyone who mentions a con of AS gets ganged up on and insulted..? is that right ?


Listen, if you went into a Mcdonalds, and said "Hey everybody, Mcdonalds sucks and that clowns a b*****d..." or something along those lines,some ppl like mcdonalds, some may not like Mcdonalds food all that much, they might down right hate it! but, hey its food and thats where there eating.

Fact is, your probably not gettin out of there with out a bic mac up the ass, ya know what i mean?

Its kinda like this thread, just enjoy your burger man

I've posted my facts to my opinions in the pages back and didn't get real answers...probably because this back and fourth keeps going on over and over.

for the Record im not a AS hater..
Originally posted by Jakemall:
I'd say 13-3 makes the 9ers more like in-n-out than McDees


I agree, but for the sake of story, i think the mcdonalds anology works better