Originally posted by dtg_9er:Originally posted by JayBee:
Re-read what I typed. The difference between Ryan Leaf and Peyton Manning is not coaching. I think some of you rely way too much on coaching (probably because it's all you have left). You can't just pick any old bum off the street and coach em up to be great. There's a reason why some QB's get picked #1 and others get picked #200th in the draft. You have to be coachable, you have to have ability, you have to have intelligence, drive, good football sense, etc... A coach can only do so much. A coach isn't going to throw the ball for you or coach you up to be a leader or to have guts. That comes from within.
Explain where I said coaching can't help a QB???? Of course it can...but it can only do so much. I'm getting really tired of people saying Alex had crap coaching. There aren't too many QB's that had the chance to work with the caliber of OC's Alex has worked with in 3 of his 1st 4 years. You think Sing had a hand in the drills that Alex won? When Martz told Alex to work on his mechanics...you think Nolan interjected and told Martz to STFU? LOL. It's excuse after excuse.
All of a sudden a QB guru head coach is required for a QB to be successful. Well how many QB guru head coaches are there in the league? Why are other QB's successful with defensive minded head coaches? Alex supporters just jump from one excuse to another...from "he needs to be in the same system for more than a year" to "even though Alex had his best statistical seasons with Raye...he's the worst OC in history"....and now to "He needs an offensive minded coach to be successful". Well, when he falters...what will be the excuse? The lockout? Crabtree's sore feet?
All this crap will finally end after this season. Thank God.
J-I realize that you are reponding to posts from various people but you keep ignoring the arguments and going back to statements that have been under question. You seem to be making legitimate arguments, which is why you get many responses...a good thing I would think.
1st year--good OC (McCarthy, perhaps a better HC than OC), Rookie pops in and out of the lineup.
2nd year--good OC (Turner, one of the best) Smith progresses adequately
3rd year--terrible OC (Hostler-so good he is now the WR coach for Balt) nuff said
4th year--odd (Martz, good but irratic OC) Smith has broken shoulder but misdiagnosed
5th year--terrible OC (Raye, passed his prime as everyone in the stands knows the plays before he can get them to the huddle).
6th year--ditto, until Johnson gave Smith more liscense and he improved greatly.
You can't see any of this because these are excuses. Not reasons, not facts, not reality...but...excuses. I see them as mitigating circumstances that may have kept a QB from reaching his potential. We may see next year and, as always, I'm an optimist.
You know I could create similar breakdowns for some of the biggest busts in football history, right? I didn't know SF was a charity.