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Aldon Smith May Start Out As Nickel Rush Defensive End?

The kid reminds me of Chris Coleman, tall, rangey guy. I hope he can play like him.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
The kid reminds me of Chris Coleman, tall, rangey guy. I hope he can play like him.

Doleman?
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
The kid reminds me of Chris Coleman, tall, rangey guy. I hope he can play like him.

or any 4-3 tall DE? how about Justin Tuck
Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by PiratePete:
Originally posted by FL9er:
People forget Aldon "bulked" up to 263 to make himself attractive to 4-3 teams that were looking at ends in the draft. He's a naturally lean guy. Remember how hard it was for Manny to get/stay at 250? Aldon himself said he's cutting down to about 255 and that's where I see him playing at 255-260, the perfect size for a rush LB.

Good point but with age comes bulk. I bet he settles in around 265-270lbs.

It's a pretty simple formula, calculate the caloric intake one needs to maintain their body weight, and keep it at that. These scouts are acting like it's inevitable that he will gain weight, and it's retarded. If he wants to stay at 255-260 he can modify his diet to maintain that weight, it's not hard and I guarantee the Niners have a nutritionist ready to help players get to their weight goals. It's a non-issue, another thing to consider is where he gains the weight, if its in his base it will only help his balance and agility compared to if its his upper body.

Also IMO when looking at all these ex-scouts like Rang, Mayock, etc. Rang seems to be the worst, he opinions of players misses more than they hit just from the past few years of hearing beat writer interviews of him.

You are not accounting for the growth of his frame. The frame continues to grow until age 25. More room on the frame will lead to a heavier body even if his diet remains. Him gaining weight will be a good thing in time. We are talking about between 5 and 10 pounds of muscle
[ Edited by RichmondPete on Jul 5, 2011 at 4:24 PM ]
This article screams Red Flags over this player. We've been down the "we're not sure where he is going to play, but we will put him somewhere on the field" road far too many times.

Bad value with the seventh overall. When you draft a guy in that slot, you should be saying (at least internally), "he will be starting at the _________ position from Day One, and will be the starter there for a long time". That is what we did last year with Iupati and Davis. There was no uncertaintly where they would line up.

Smith is a Niner and I wish him the best. But, this is a terrible gamble for a team that is desperate to get to .500 and beyond. This pick came only two selections after Patrick Peterson. Yikes!!!

We played this game very poorly.
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
This article screams Red Flags over this player. We've been down the "we're not sure where he is going to play, but we will put him somewhere on the field" road far too many times.

Bad value with the seventh overall. When you draft a guy in that slot, you should be saying (at least internally), "he will be starting at the _________ position from Day One, and will be the starter there for a long time". That is what we did last year with Iupati and Davis. There was no uncertaintly where they would line up.

Smith is a Niner and I wish him the best. But, this is a terrible gamble for a team that is desperate to get to .500 and beyond. This pick came only two selections after Patrick Peterson. Yikes!!!

We played this game very poorly.

If he had never produced I would buy this, but it's not like Aldon is a guy who doesn't make plays. He's produced from day one in college and I think that bodes extremely well for his future. Plus, he does have a defined position, he's an OLB. No one on the team has questioned that, and it's extremely common for OLB's in a 34 to play DE in the nickel. This is non-news.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
This article screams Red Flags over this player. We've been down the "we're not sure where he is going to play, but we will put him somewhere on the field" road far too many times.

Bad value with the seventh overall. When you draft a guy in that slot, you should be saying (at least internally), "he will be starting at the _________ position from Day One, and will be the starter there for a long time". That is what we did last year with Iupati and Davis. There was no uncertaintly where they would line up.

Smith is a Niner and I wish him the best. But, this is a terrible gamble for a team that is desperate to get to .500 and beyond. This pick came only two selections after Patrick Peterson. Yikes!!!

We played this game very poorly.

We'll see. If Vic Fangio's defensive playbook turns out to be anything like Dom Capers', Aldon Smith could be playing any one of the front six positions. And another on the next play. Interestingly, this is how the Tigers used him, and I have to wonder whether that was particularly attractive to Fangio, assuming he doesn't want his defense to be as limited and predictable -- and ineffective -- as Jimmy Raye's offense was.

EDIT: I don't recall the details from all the draft threads, but whom would you have chosen at #7, if you couldn't trade the pick away and you weren't able to make a trade for a pick above Arizona's?
[ Edited by 49erThrowback on Jul 7, 2011 at 6:48 PM ]
Originally posted by JayBee:
Aldon will beast. Please believe it.

sold
I really think its time to go to the 43 defense. smith and smith on the ends soap and raymac in the middle. unstopable
Originally posted by nevadalove9ers2:
I really think its time to go to the 43 defense. smith and smith on the ends soap and raymac in the middle. unstopable

This.
Originally posted by 49erThrowback:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
This article screams Red Flags over this player. We've been down the "we're not sure where he is going to play, but we will put him somewhere on the field" road far too many times.

Bad value with the seventh overall. When you draft a guy in that slot, you should be saying (at least internally), "he will be starting at the _________ position from Day One, and will be the starter there for a long time". That is what we did last year with Iupati and Davis. There was no uncertaintly where they would line up.

Smith is a Niner and I wish him the best. But, this is a terrible gamble for a team that is desperate to get to .500 and beyond. This pick came only two selections after Patrick Peterson. Yikes!!!

We played this game very poorly.

We'll see. If Vic Fangio's defensive playbook turns out to be anything like Dom Capers', Aldon Smith could be playing any one of the front six positions. And another on the next play. Interestingly, this is how the Tigers used him, and I have to wonder whether that was particularly attractive to Fangio, assuming he doesn't want his defense to be as limited and predictable -- and ineffective -- as Jimmy Raye's offense was.

EDIT: I don't recall the details from all the draft threads, but whom would you have chosen at #7, if you couldn't trade the pick away and you weren't able to make a trade for a pick above Arizona's?

We will see. I'm just skeptical of these picks where we don't have a specific spot or role for him clearly defined.

As for the 7th overall, in my draft review, I stated that the Niners needed to make a bold move to secure Patrick Peterson, even if it meant sacrificing their 3rd and one of their 4ths this year and maybe future compensation. He was the star of this draft, and the difference in value between him and Smith is not really two picks (as it turned out on Draft Thursday), it is more like a half round. Peterson also solves the greatest deficiency in terms of a roster spot and dollars and cents for this squad (Clements is on the down side of the career with huge cap numbers in the future).

Since we are not dealing with the hypothetical of trading up, my choice would have come down to JJ Watt or Blaine Gabbert. I would leave the idea to Harbaugh, as to whether he believes he can transform Alex Smith into a solid starting QB in the NFL. For a deeper review of my thoughts on both Gabbert and Watt, please refer to some of the comments I made in the Draft Forum.
I still wish we had drafted peterson, either as a CB or Safety he would have been here for years to come, we are still stuck with the same lame CB's and a few late round draft picks we are hoping could show us something.
Originally posted by unst4bl3:
I still wish we had drafted peterson, either as a CB or Safety he would have been here for years to come, we are still stuck with the same lame CB's and a few late round draft picks we are hoping could show us something.

I think we will make a splash in FA for CB (at least I hope so, because our secondary might be the worst in the league)
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by unst4bl3:
I still wish we had drafted peterson, either as a CB or Safety he would have been here for years to come, we are still stuck with the same lame CB's and a few late round draft picks we are hoping could show us something.

I think we will make a splash in FA for CB (at least I hope so, because our secondary might be the worst in the league)

I really hope we land Joseph from CIN, and maybe even marshall from Carolina. Both would be awesome!!

You know how everyone always says they want to put nate at safety, what about shawntae at safety? Wouldn't he fall for less double moves and such?
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by 49erThrowback:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
This article screams Red Flags over this player. We've been down the "we're not sure where he is going to play, but we will put him somewhere on the field" road far too many times.

Bad value with the seventh overall. When you draft a guy in that slot, you should be saying (at least internally), "he will be starting at the _________ position from Day One, and will be the starter there for a long time". That is what we did last year with Iupati and Davis. There was no uncertaintly where they would line up.

Smith is a Niner and I wish him the best. But, this is a terrible gamble for a team that is desperate to get to .500 and beyond. This pick came only two selections after Patrick Peterson. Yikes!!!

We played this game very poorly.

We'll see. If Vic Fangio's defensive playbook turns out to be anything like Dom Capers', Aldon Smith could be playing any one of the front six positions. And another on the next play. Interestingly, this is how the Tigers used him, and I have to wonder whether that was particularly attractive to Fangio, assuming he doesn't want his defense to be as limited and predictable -- and ineffective -- as Jimmy Raye's offense was.

EDIT: I don't recall the details from all the draft threads, but whom would you have chosen at #7, if you couldn't trade the pick away and you weren't able to make a trade for a pick above Arizona's?

We will see. I'm just skeptical of these picks where we don't have a specific spot or role for him clearly defined.

As for the 7th overall, in my draft review, I stated that the Niners needed to make a bold move to secure Patrick Peterson, even if it meant sacrificing their 3rd and one of their 4ths this year and maybe future compensation. He was the star of this draft, and the difference in value between him and Smith is not really two picks (as it turned out on Draft Thursday), it is more like a half round. Peterson also solves the greatest deficiency in terms of a roster spot and dollars and cents for this squad (Clements is on the down side of the career with huge cap numbers in the future).

Since we are not dealing with the hypothetical of trading up, my choice would have come down to JJ Watt or Blaine Gabbert. I would leave the idea to Harbaugh, as to whether he believes he can transform Alex Smith into a solid starting QB in the NFL. For a deeper review of my thoughts on both Gabbert and Watt, please refer to some of the comments I made in the Draft Forum.

It is unnerving to see another tweener picked and that he has a fairly upright style. I keep telling myself...McCloughan is gone but...