To be or NOT to be - Crabtree

Peyton is > well, darn near everybody!

whats with all the crabtree hate? if you were a fairly new player in the league and knew you had millions of dollars coming to you why would you practice knowing that if you get hurt your not getting a dime? i dont know about you guys but sometimes you gotta think about yourself before the team... just keeping it real... most of you put yourselves before everyone else including family members so don't judge him cause he's looking after himself...

The argument that people are using a double standard for Crabtree (or in most cases) is not accurate. We all see things from our perspectives and some people place more value on team chemistry or public demonstrations, while others evaluate more heavily on talent or potential. Sports writers don't help as they tend to pass on rumors.

A players persona is important to me. I couldn't stand Deion until he helped the 9ers and I finally got over my bias against self promotion on the field. I tend to like humble players who let their on field actions do their talking. Players who pound their chest after every tackle tick me off. Probably why I like A Smith--he is very humble and quiet--now it's time to show it on the field.

Is Crabtree a diva? It's too early to tell but those who knew him in college talked about a quiet, shy guy who worked hard and kept out of trouble. Would I like to see him at any and all practices and meetings? Yes, it can only help.

Wow do we need the CBA to be signed!

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by 9erred:
Why does Peyton Manning make his WR's look like pro bowlers? He is a franchise qb and he demands that WR's stick around and play catch with him all off season. That is why UDFA like Blair White looked better last year than Crabtree.

Crabtree could be great if he realizes this is the PRO's, you need to show up year round and have a sixth sense about the person who is your qb.

Peyton Manning makes his receivers look like pro bowlers because Peyton Manning is a beast. Plain and simple.

According to some 9er fans, the only reason why Peyton has had success was because he had workouts with all of his receivers. It has absolutely nothing to do with Peyton just being a good frigging QB.

LOL @ expecting top 10 numbers as a receiver when you have one of the worst offenses and QB's in the league.

... and how did Peyton evolve into a good NFL QB? Could it have anything to do with starting out with a good OC and keeping him and the same scheme for many years?

Hmmm.... think about it... if you can.

I guess McCarthy and Norv were bums...huh?

Peyton threw 26 TD's in his rookie year. Alex threw 1.

Peyton's pedigree blows Alex's out of the water. Not all QB's are created equally. Some are Great...some are OK, and others stink.

Yes, Peyton has a HOF career but to compare the talent on the 49ers in Alex' rookie year with the Colts is light years apart.

One fact worthy of note: In Manning's rookie year, the Colts brought in Tom Moore, a guy with a proven rep, as a personal coach/offensive assistant for Manning. Moore went on to become the one and only OC that Manning has had his entire career. Alex Smith has never had that level of coaching at any time in his career.

Please don't purport that OCs are good position coaches for QBs. The truth is, OCs rarely spend much time with the QB. They spend almost all their time coordinating game plans and offensive design with the rest of the staff. QB coaching is done by the QB coach, of which Alex has had a bunch of former defensive players who never played the position since they left grade school.

*end of threadjack*

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[ Edited by dj43 on Jun 5, 2011 at 21:48:33 ]

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by 9erred:
Why does Peyton Manning make his WR's look like pro bowlers? He is a franchise qb and he demands that WR's stick around and play catch with him all off season. That is why UDFA like Blair White looked better last year than Crabtree.

Crabtree could be great if he realizes this is the PRO's, you need to show up year round and have a sixth sense about the person who is your qb.

Peyton Manning makes his receivers look like pro bowlers because Peyton Manning is a beast. Plain and simple.

According to some 9er fans, the only reason why Peyton has had success was because he had workouts with all of his receivers. It has absolutely nothing to do with Peyton just being a good frigging QB.

LOL @ expecting top 10 numbers as a receiver when you have one of the worst offenses and QB's in the league.

... and how did Peyton evolve into a good NFL QB? Could it have anything to do with starting out with a good OC and keeping him and the same scheme for many years?

Hmmm.... think about it... if you can.

I guess McCarthy and Norv were bums...huh?

Peyton threw 26 TD's in his rookie year. Alex threw 1.

Peyton's pedigree blows Alex's out of the water. Not all QB's are created equally. Some are Great...some are OK, and others stink.

Yes, Peyton has a HOF career but to compare the talent on the 49ers in Alex' rookie year with the Colts is light years apart.

One fact worthy of note: In Manning's rookie year, the Colts brought in Tom Moore, a guy with a proven rep, as a personal coach/offensive assistant for Manning. Moore went on to become the one and only OC that Manning has had his entire career. Alex Smith has never had that level of coaching at any time in his career.

Please don't purport that OCs are good position coaches for QBs. The truth is, OCs rarely spend much time with the QB. They spend almost all their time coordinating game plans and offensive design with the rest of the staff. QB coaching is done by the QB coach, of which Alex has had a bunch of former defensive players who never played the position since they left grade school.

*end of threadjack*

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Alexsexuals crack me up man....

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by 9erred:
Why does Peyton Manning make his WR's look like pro bowlers? He is a franchise qb and he demands that WR's stick around and play catch with him all off season. That is why UDFA like Blair White looked better last year than Crabtree.

Crabtree could be great if he realizes this is the PRO's, you need to show up year round and have a sixth sense about the person who is your qb.

Peyton Manning makes his receivers look like pro bowlers because Peyton Manning is a beast. Plain and simple.

According to some 9er fans, the only reason why Peyton has had success was because he had workouts with all of his receivers. It has absolutely nothing to do with Peyton just being a good frigging QB.

LOL @ expecting top 10 numbers as a receiver when you have one of the worst offenses and QB's in the league.

... and how did Peyton evolve into a good NFL QB? Could it have anything to do with starting out with a good OC and keeping him and the same scheme for many years?

Hmmm.... think about it... if you can.

I guess McCarthy and Norv were bums...huh?

Peyton threw 26 TD's in his rookie year. Alex threw 1.

Peyton's pedigree blows Alex's out of the water. Not all QB's are created equally. Some are Great...some are OK, and others stink.

Yes, Peyton has a HOF career but to compare the talent on the 49ers in Alex' rookie year with the Colts is light years apart.

One fact worthy of note: In Manning's rookie year, the Colts brought in Tom Moore, a guy with a proven rep, as a personal coach/offensive assistant for Manning. Moore went on to become the one and only OC that Manning has had his entire career. Alex Smith has never had that level of coaching at any time in his career.

Please don't purport that OCs are good position coaches for QBs. The truth is, OCs rarely spend much time with the QB. They spend almost all their time coordinating game plans and offensive design with the rest of the staff. QB coaching is done by the QB coach, of which Alex has had a bunch of former defensive players who never played the position since they left grade school.

*end of threadjack*

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Alexsexuals crack me up man....

this is a Crabtree thread. Why don't you talk about him?

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by 9erred:
Why does Peyton Manning make his WR's look like pro bowlers? He is a franchise qb and he demands that WR's stick around and play catch with him all off season. That is why UDFA like Blair White looked better last year than Crabtree.

Crabtree could be great if he realizes this is the PRO's, you need to show up year round and have a sixth sense about the person who is your qb.

Peyton Manning makes his receivers look like pro bowlers because Peyton Manning is a beast. Plain and simple.

According to some 9er fans, the only reason why Peyton has had success was because he had workouts with all of his receivers. It has absolutely nothing to do with Peyton just being a good frigging QB.

LOL @ expecting top 10 numbers as a receiver when you have one of the worst offenses and QB's in the league.

... and how did Peyton evolve into a good NFL QB? Could it have anything to do with starting out with a good OC and keeping him and the same scheme for many years?

Hmmm.... think about it... if you can.

I guess McCarthy and Norv were bums...huh?

Peyton threw 26 TD's in his rookie year. Alex threw 1.

Peyton's pedigree blows Alex's out of the water. Not all QB's are created equally. Some are Great...some are OK, and others stink.

Yes, Peyton has a HOF career but to compare the talent on the 49ers in Alex' rookie year with the Colts is light years apart.

One fact worthy of note: In Manning's rookie year, the Colts brought in Tom Moore, a guy with a proven rep, as a personal coach/offensive assistant for Manning. Moore went on to become the one and only OC that Manning has had his entire career. Alex Smith has never had that level of coaching at any time in his career.

Please don't purport that OCs are good position coaches for QBs. The truth is, OCs rarely spend much time with the QB. They spend almost all their time coordinating game plans and offensive design with the rest of the staff. QB coaching is done by the QB coach, of which Alex has had a bunch of former defensive players who never played the position since they left grade school.

*end of threadjack*

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Alexsexuals crack me up man....

PManning is human he does f**k up, and we weren't lucky enough to draft him! DEAL! AND Nolan is a idoit for taking smith and he wasn't a qb coach and had no idea what to f**k he was doing on offense, we guessed on a player in a weak draft it happens, and AR won the superbowl why we finally go back to westcoast since the man who coach and won that superbowl left, who should have been the head coach of the niners again?

Like a crazy old man we've become missing his glory years!

[ Edited by TheGoldDiggerrrr on Jun 5, 2011 at 22:43:26 ]

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by 9erred:
Why does Peyton Manning make his WR's look like pro bowlers? He is a franchise qb and he demands that WR's stick around and play catch with him all off season. That is why UDFA like Blair White looked better last year than Crabtree.

Crabtree could be great if he realizes this is the PRO's, you need to show up year round and have a sixth sense about the person who is your qb.

Peyton Manning makes his receivers look like pro bowlers because Peyton Manning is a beast. Plain and simple.

According to some 9er fans, the only reason why Peyton has had success was because he had workouts with all of his receivers. It has absolutely nothing to do with Peyton just being a good frigging QB.

LOL @ expecting top 10 numbers as a receiver when you have one of the worst offenses and QB's in the league.

... and how did Peyton evolve into a good NFL QB? Could it have anything to do with starting out with a good OC and keeping him and the same scheme for many years?

Hmmm.... think about it... if you can.

I guess McCarthy and Norv were bums...huh?

Peyton threw 26 TD's in his rookie year. Alex threw 1.

Peyton's pedigree blows Alex's out of the water. Not all QB's are created equally. Some are Great...some are OK, and others stink.

Yes, Peyton has a HOF career but to compare the talent on the 49ers in Alex' rookie year with the Colts is light years apart.

One fact worthy of note: In Manning's rookie year, the Colts brought in Tom Moore, a guy with a proven rep, as a personal coach/offensive assistant for Manning. Moore went on to become the one and only OC that Manning has had his entire career. Alex Smith has never had that level of coaching at any time in his career.

Please don't purport that OCs are good position coaches for QBs. The truth is, OCs rarely spend much time with the QB. They spend almost all their time coordinating game plans and offensive design with the rest of the staff. QB coaching is done by the QB coach, of which Alex has had a bunch of former defensive players who never played the position since they left grade school.

*end of threadjack*

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Alexsexuals crack me up man....

Do you really know so little about coaching staffs and other teams that this is the best response you have?

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by 9erred:
Why does Peyton Manning make his WR's look like pro bowlers? He is a franchise qb and he demands that WR's stick around and play catch with him all off season. That is why UDFA like Blair White looked better last year than Crabtree.

Crabtree could be great if he realizes this is the PRO's, you need to show up year round and have a sixth sense about the person who is your qb.

Peyton Manning makes his receivers look like pro bowlers because Peyton Manning is a beast. Plain and simple.

According to some 9er fans, the only reason why Peyton has had success was because he had workouts with all of his receivers. It has absolutely nothing to do with Peyton just being a good frigging QB.

LOL @ expecting top 10 numbers as a receiver when you have one of the worst offenses and QB's in the league.

... and how did Peyton evolve into a good NFL QB? Could it have anything to do with starting out with a good OC and keeping him and the same scheme for many years?

Hmmm.... think about it... if you can.

I guess McCarthy and Norv were bums...huh?

Peyton threw 26 TD's in his rookie year. Alex threw 1.

Peyton's pedigree blows Alex's out of the water. Not all QB's are created equally. Some are Great...some are OK, and others stink.

There was a big difference between Manning and Smith: because of his lack of experience with an pro-like offensive system during his short years in college, Smith was judged a project by most observers before the draft. His performance at the pro day calmed people somewhat, but nobody thought of him as being able to start from day 1. So did Mike Nolan. Not until Rattay regressed that Nolan was forced to prematurely push Smith into the line-up. It was insane because the 49ers line was extremely porous. In 9 games, Smith was sacked 29 times. Compared that to the fact that Manning was sacked only 22 times in his first season, a great sign that the Colts had a very good OL (Montana was sacked the same number of times in the best 49ers team - the 1984 one - playing in less games.)

Furthermore let's not forget that the 1998 Colts had Marshall Faulk. Gore in 2005 was nowhere near 1998 Faulk in game dominance. Faulk gained more than 2200 yards rushing and receiving that year!

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by 9erred:
Why does Peyton Manning make his WR's look like pro bowlers? He is a franchise qb and he demands that WR's stick around and play catch with him all off season. That is why UDFA like Blair White looked better last year than Crabtree.

Crabtree could be great if he realizes this is the PRO's, you need to show up year round and have a sixth sense about the person who is your qb.

Peyton Manning makes his receivers look like pro bowlers because Peyton Manning is a beast. Plain and simple.

According to some 9er fans, the only reason why Peyton has had success was because he had workouts with all of his receivers. It has absolutely nothing to do with Peyton just being a good frigging QB.

LOL @ expecting top 10 numbers as a receiver when you have one of the worst offenses and QB's in the league.

... and how did Peyton evolve into a good NFL QB? Could it have anything to do with starting out with a good OC and keeping him and the same scheme for many years?

Hmmm.... think about it... if you can.

I guess McCarthy and Norv were bums...huh?

Peyton threw 26 TD's in his rookie year. Alex threw 1.

Peyton's pedigree blows Alex's out of the water. Not all QB's are created equally. Some are Great...some are OK, and others stink.

Yes, Peyton has a HOF career but to compare the talent on the 49ers in Alex' rookie year with the Colts is light years apart.

One fact worthy of note: In Manning's rookie year, the Colts brought in Tom Moore, a guy with a proven rep, as a personal coach/offensive assistant for Manning. Moore went on to become the one and only OC that Manning has had his entire career. Alex Smith has never had that level of coaching at any time in his career.

Please don't purport that OCs are good position coaches for QBs. The truth is, OCs rarely spend much time with the QB. They spend almost all their time coordinating game plans and offensive design with the rest of the staff. QB coaching is done by the QB coach, of which Alex has had a bunch of former defensive players who never played the position since they left grade school.

*end of threadjack*

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Alexsexuals crack me up man....

Do you really know so little about coaching staffs and other teams that this is the best response you have?

It's a Crabtree thread. I'm not going to argue about Peyton vs. Alex Smith...

Tom Moore was a frigging OC before he got to Indy. He was an OC in Indy and YES he coached Peyton up...but according to what you said, OC's can't coach up QB's. I guess Tom Moore was the only OC in History to perform this incredible feet.

Norv frigging Turner....an offensive co-ordinator did the same exact thing with Troy Aikman....and he's done the same thing with Phillip Rivers. Mike McCarthy was a QB coach for years working with the likes of Bono, Montana, Favre and Gannon.

Funny how Alex got to start his career off with these 2 coaching him up and he still sucked a.ss.

You really think Peyton would have come here and stunk it up with Norv and McCarthy? Regardless of the talent level....there's no way Peyton throws one single friggin TD in his rookie year. Hell, Jimmy Clausen did better than that.

Some players are naturally better than others... That was my point....you went on a long ass rant about what Alex didn't have (Because like...Mike McCarthy and Norv Turner are bums) versus what Peyton had. Who gives a f*k?

Originally posted by JayBee:


It's a Crabtree thread. I'm not going to argue about Peyton vs. Alex Smith...

Tom Moore was a frigging OC before he got to Indy. He was an OC in Indy and YES he coached Peyton up...but according to what you said, OC's can't coach up QB's. I guess Tom Moore was the only OC in History to perform this incredible feet.

Norv frigging Turner....an offensive co-ordinator did the same exact thing with Troy Aikman....and he's done the same thing with Phillip Rivers. Mike McCarthy was a QB coach for years working with the likes of Bono, Montana, Favre and Gannon.

Funny how Alex got to start his career off with these 2 coaching him up and he still sucked a.ss.

You really think Peyton would have come here and stunk it up with Norv and McCarthy? Regardless of the talent level....there's no way Peyton throws one single friggin TD in his rookie year. Hell, Jimmy Clausen did better than that.

Some players are naturally better than others... That was my point....you went on a long ass rant about what Alex didn't have (Because like...Mike McCarthy and Norv Turner are bums) versus what Peyton had. Who gives a f*k?

LOL at the bolded part, yet then you proceed to do just as you say you won't.

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by 9erred:
Why does Peyton Manning make his WR's look like pro bowlers? He is a franchise qb and he demands that WR's stick around and play catch with him all off season. That is why UDFA like Blair White looked better last year than Crabtree.

Crabtree could be great if he realizes this is the PRO's, you need to show up year round and have a sixth sense about the person who is your qb.

Peyton Manning makes his receivers look like pro bowlers because Peyton Manning is a beast. Plain and simple.

According to some 9er fans, the only reason why Peyton has had success was because he had workouts with all of his receivers. It has absolutely nothing to do with Peyton just being a good frigging QB.

LOL @ expecting top 10 numbers as a receiver when you have one of the worst offenses and QB's in the league.

... and how did Peyton evolve into a good NFL QB? Could it have anything to do with starting out with a good OC and keeping him and the same scheme for many years?

Hmmm.... think about it... if you can.

I guess McCarthy and Norv were bums...huh?

Peyton threw 26 TD's in his rookie year. Alex threw 1.

Peyton's pedigree blows Alex's out of the water. Not all QB's are created equally. Some are Great...some are OK, and others stink.

Yes, Peyton has a HOF career but to compare the talent on the 49ers in Alex' rookie year with the Colts is light years apart.

One fact worthy of note: In Manning's rookie year, the Colts brought in Tom Moore, a guy with a proven rep, as a personal coach/offensive assistant for Manning. Moore went on to become the one and only OC that Manning has had his entire career. Alex Smith has never had that level of coaching at any time in his career.

Please don't purport that OCs are good position coaches for QBs. The truth is, OCs rarely spend much time with the QB. They spend almost all their time coordinating game plans and offensive design with the rest of the staff. QB coaching is done by the QB coach, of which Alex has had a bunch of former defensive players who never played the position since they left grade school.

*end of threadjack*

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Alexsexuals crack me up man....

Do you really know so little about coaching staffs and other teams that this is the best response you have?

It's a Crabtree thread. I'm not going to argue about Peyton vs. Alex Smith...

Tom Moore was a frigging OC before he got to Indy. He was an OC in Indy and YES he coached Peyton up...but according to what you said, OC's can't coach up QB's. I guess Tom Moore was the only OC in History to perform this incredible feet.

Norv frigging Turner....an offensive co-ordinator did the same exact thing with Troy Aikman....and he's done the same thing with Phillip Rivers. Mike McCarthy was a QB coach for years working with the likes of Bono, Montana, Favre and Gannon.

Funny how Alex got to start his career off with these 2 coaching him up and he still sucked a.ss.

You really think Peyton would have come here and stunk it up with Norv and McCarthy? Regardless of the talent level....there's no way Peyton throws one single friggin TD in his rookie year. Hell, Jimmy Clausen did better than that.

Some players are naturally better than others... That was my point....you went on a long ass rant about what Alex didn't have (Because like...Mike McCarthy and Norv Turner are bums) versus what Peyton had. Who gives a f*k?

I was on a team once where two coaches disagreed with each other. Every time I did something the way coach 1 wanted, coach 2 would take me aside and tell me I was doing it all wrong. It is confusing for an athlete to have different coaches telling him to change this, change that, year in and year out. It is remarkable the 9ers have fared as well as they have.

Crabtree has had Raye and Johnson orchestrating the offense, but will now have Roman and Harbaugh...hopefully, for more than a few years in a row. The OLine is also in this position. They have had various coaches and most of them are young which makes these transitions more deadly.

Consistent (good) coaching can't be overestimated! And, it is important to have coaches who will watch each other's backs rather than talking with players behind the HC/OCs back.

[ Edited by dtg_9er on Jun 6, 2011 at 08:27:40 ]

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by 9erred:
Why does Peyton Manning make his WR's look like pro bowlers? He is a franchise qb and he demands that WR's stick around and play catch with him all off season. That is why UDFA like Blair White looked better last year than Crabtree.

Crabtree could be great if he realizes this is the PRO's, you need to show up year round and have a sixth sense about the person who is your qb.

Peyton Manning makes his receivers look like pro bowlers because Peyton Manning is a beast. Plain and simple.

According to some 9er fans, the only reason why Peyton has had success was because he had workouts with all of his receivers. It has absolutely nothing to do with Peyton just being a good frigging QB.

LOL @ expecting top 10 numbers as a receiver when you have one of the worst offenses and QB's in the league.

... and how did Peyton evolve into a good NFL QB? Could it have anything to do with starting out with a good OC and keeping him and the same scheme for many years?

Hmmm.... think about it... if you can.

I guess McCarthy and Norv were bums...huh?

Peyton threw 26 TD's in his rookie year. Alex threw 1.

Peyton's pedigree blows Alex's out of the water. Not all QB's are created equally. Some are Great...some are OK, and others stink.

Yes, Peyton has a HOF career but to compare the talent on the 49ers in Alex' rookie year with the Colts is light years apart.

One fact worthy of note: In Manning's rookie year, the Colts brought in Tom Moore, a guy with a proven rep, as a personal coach/offensive assistant for Manning. Moore went on to become the one and only OC that Manning has had his entire career. Alex Smith has never had that level of coaching at any time in his career.

Please don't purport that OCs are good position coaches for QBs. The truth is, OCs rarely spend much time with the QB. They spend almost all their time coordinating game plans and offensive design with the rest of the staff. QB coaching is done by the QB coach, of which Alex has had a bunch of former defensive players who never played the position since they left grade school.

*end of threadjack*

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Alexsexuals crack me up man....

Do you really know so little about coaching staffs and other teams that this is the best response you have?

It's a Crabtree thread. I'm not going to argue about Peyton vs. Alex Smith...

Tom Moore was a frigging OC before he got to Indy. He was an OC in Indy and YES he coached Peyton up...but according to what you said, OC's can't coach up QB's. I guess Tom Moore was the only OC in History to perform this incredible feet.

Norv frigging Turner....an offensive co-ordinator did the same exact thing with Troy Aikman....and he's done the same thing with Phillip Rivers. Mike McCarthy was a QB coach for years working with the likes of Bono, Montana, Favre and Gannon.

Funny how Alex got to start his career off with these 2 coaching him up and he still sucked a.ss.

You really think Peyton would have come here and stunk it up with Norv and McCarthy? Regardless of the talent level....there's no way Peyton throws one single friggin TD in his rookie year. Hell, Jimmy Clausen did better than that.

Some players are naturally better than others... That was my point....you went on a long ass rant about what Alex didn't have (Because like...Mike McCarthy and Norv Turner are bums) versus what Peyton had. Who gives a f*k?

philip rivers was pretty good before norv got there, wasn't he?

Originally posted by unst4bl3:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by 9erred:
Why does Peyton Manning make his WR's look like pro bowlers? He is a franchise qb and he demands that WR's stick around and play catch with him all off season. That is why UDFA like Blair White looked better last year than Crabtree.

Crabtree could be great if he realizes this is the PRO's, you need to show up year round and have a sixth sense about the person who is your qb.

Peyton Manning makes his receivers look like pro bowlers because Peyton Manning is a beast. Plain and simple.

According to some 9er fans, the only reason why Peyton has had success was because he had workouts with all of his receivers. It has absolutely nothing to do with Peyton just being a good frigging QB.

LOL @ expecting top 10 numbers as a receiver when you have one of the worst offenses and QB's in the league.

... and how did Peyton evolve into a good NFL QB? Could it have anything to do with starting out with a good OC and keeping him and the same scheme for many years?

Hmmm.... think about it... if you can.

I guess McCarthy and Norv were bums...huh?

Peyton threw 26 TD's in his rookie year. Alex threw 1.

Peyton's pedigree blows Alex's out of the water. Not all QB's are created equally. Some are Great...some are OK, and others stink.

Yes, Peyton has a HOF career but to compare the talent on the 49ers in Alex' rookie year with the Colts is light years apart.

One fact worthy of note: In Manning's rookie year, the Colts brought in Tom Moore, a guy with a proven rep, as a personal coach/offensive assistant for Manning. Moore went on to become the one and only OC that Manning has had his entire career. Alex Smith has never had that level of coaching at any time in his career.

Please don't purport that OCs are good position coaches for QBs. The truth is, OCs rarely spend much time with the QB. They spend almost all their time coordinating game plans and offensive design with the rest of the staff. QB coaching is done by the QB coach, of which Alex has had a bunch of former defensive players who never played the position since they left grade school.

*end of threadjack*

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Alexsexuals crack me up man....

Do you really know so little about coaching staffs and other teams that this is the best response you have?

It's a Crabtree thread. I'm not going to argue about Peyton vs. Alex Smith...

Tom Moore was a frigging OC before he got to Indy. He was an OC in Indy and YES he coached Peyton up...but according to what you said, OC's can't coach up QB's. I guess Tom Moore was the only OC in History to perform this incredible feet.

Norv frigging Turner....an offensive co-ordinator did the same exact thing with Troy Aikman....and he's done the same thing with Phillip Rivers. Mike McCarthy was a QB coach for years working with the likes of Bono, Montana, Favre and Gannon.

Funny how Alex got to start his career off with these 2 coaching him up and he still sucked a.ss.

You really think Peyton would have come here and stunk it up with Norv and McCarthy? Regardless of the talent level....there's no way Peyton throws one single friggin TD in his rookie year. Hell, Jimmy Clausen did better than that.

Some players are naturally better than others... That was my point....you went on a long ass rant about what Alex didn't have (Because like...Mike McCarthy and Norv Turner are bums) versus what Peyton had. Who gives a f*k?

philip rivers was pretty good before norv got there, wasn't he?

Phillip had a good season without Norv. With Norv he's had Pro-bowl caliber seasons. Norv took his game to another level.

He almost threw for 5000 yards without a running game, his TE and his top WR. Man, if that was Alex, he would have gotten a good 5 years of excuses.

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Why does Peyton Manning make his WR's look like pro bowlers? He is a franchise qb and he demands that WR's stick around and play catch with him all off season. That is why UDFA like Blair White looked better last year than Crabtree.

Crabtree could be great if he realizes this is the PRO's, you need to show up year round and have a sixth sense about the person who is your qb.

Peyton Manning makes his receivers look like pro bowlers because Peyton Manning is a beast. Plain and simple.

According to some 9er fans, the only reason why Peyton has had success was because he had workouts with all of his receivers. It has absolutely nothing to do with Peyton just being a good frigging QB.

LOL @ expecting top 10 numbers as a receiver when you have one of the worst offenses and QB's in the league.

... and how did Peyton evolve into a good NFL QB? Could it have anything to do with starting out with a good OC and keeping him and the same scheme for many years?

Hmmm.... think about it... if you can.

I guess McCarthy and Norv were bums...huh?

Peyton threw 26 TD's in his rookie year. Alex threw 1.

Peyton's pedigree blows Alex's out of the water. Not all QB's are created equally. Some are Great...some are OK, and others stink.

Yes, Peyton has a HOF career but to compare the talent on the 49ers in Alex' rookie year with the Colts is light years apart.

One fact worthy of note: In Manning's rookie year, the Colts brought in Tom Moore, a guy with a proven rep, as a personal coach/offensive assistant for Manning. Moore went on to become the one and only OC that Manning has had his entire career. Alex Smith has never had that level of coaching at any time in his career.

Please don't purport that OCs are good position coaches for QBs. The truth is, OCs rarely spend much time with the QB. They spend almost all their time coordinating game plans and offensive design with the rest of the staff. QB coaching is done by the QB coach, of which Alex has had a bunch of former defensive players who never played the position since they left grade school.

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Alexsexuals crack me up man....

Do you really know so little about coaching staffs and other teams that this is the best response you have?

It's a Crabtree thread. I'm not going to argue about Peyton vs. Alex Smith...

Tom Moore was a frigging OC before he got to Indy. He was an OC in Indy and YES he coached Peyton up...but according to what you said, OC's can't coach up QB's. I guess Tom Moore was the only OC in History to perform this incredible feet.

Norv frigging Turner....an offensive co-ordinator did the same exact thing with Troy Aikman....and he's done the same thing with Phillip Rivers. Mike McCarthy was a QB coach for years working with the likes of Bono, Montana, Favre and Gannon.

Funny how Alex got to start his career off with these 2 coaching him up and he still sucked a.ss.

You really think Peyton would have come here and stunk it up with Norv and McCarthy? Regardless of the talent level....there's no way Peyton throws one single friggin TD in his rookie year. Hell, Jimmy Clausen did better than that.

Some players are naturally better than others... That was my point....you went on a long ass rant about what Alex didn't have (Because like...Mike McCarthy and Norv Turner are bums) versus what Peyton had. Who gives a f*k?

philip rivers was pretty good before norv got there, wasn't he?

Phillip had a good season without Norv. With Norv he's had Pro-bowl caliber seasons. Norv took his game to another level.

He almost threw for 5000 yards without a running game, his TE and his top WR. Man, if that was Alex, he would have gotten a good 5 years of excuses.

I'm not hating on your opinion, but I think philip rivers was destined to be good regardless of norv turner or not. The fact that the whole time he has been in Sd with exception of maybe 1-2 seasons, he has had to carry the whole team/offense himself.

I'm sure norv "helped" but he shouldn't get credit for it.. What about norv's time with the redskins? he sure did a lot of good then.....