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Isaac Sopoaga moving to NT

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
I'm in favor of him moving to NT...he can help mentor Jean-Francois and between the two of 'em, they should be able to hold the point. Moving him to NT also enables Aldon Smith to be on the field more...and that's going to be a good thing. Justin Smith has needed a true bookend DE and now he has one. They still have Evans and Tukuafu for depth/mentoring Aldon Smith. Franklin disappointed me last season...I also don't think he's worth the kind of money he's seeking. So, I think it's time to turn the page and move on without him.

- I agree with Franklin being somewhat disappointing last season, and am also not excited about paying him the type of contract he will demand.

- This bolded part confuses me. Do you then think Aldon will be bulked up and inserted in as the LDE? I thought the plan for him was stay around 270 and be our rush LB?

I like the idea of Sopoaga and RJF spending time on the field together at NT/LDE. We can have RayMac rotate at LDE, but we still would need some quality depth at NT or DE, depending on the particular rotation/involvement of the others mentioned.

- That was a good article with Sopo and I also liked the quotes.

If we can have J. Smith, Soap. and Ray Mac on the field at the same time with Aldoron able to line up whenever and P Willy roaming around, there will be matchup nightmares for the other offense. Aldoron shines inside and out. He could be the real deal and a one of a kind stud. Hopefully he pans out. The guy has some wicked powerful swim and club moves. Its like his arms are independent of his body and strong as legs.

Sure hope so. I didn't watch all that much of Aldon. I did watch a half-dozen Missouri games (just to evaluate Gabbert, mostly), but it wasn't often I saw Aldon stand out. I know he was coming off an injury, and he has shown that power you speak of a times.

Am so hoping he can turn out to be our next Charles Haley.

Yes he reminds me of Haley or R. White but more slim. He throws guards and tackles down like they were kids at time.
Take a look at his arms. They are like legs.

Maybe a hybrid? I'm scared to use that term because of Manny.
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
I'm in favor of him moving to NT...he can help mentor Jean-Francois and between the two of 'em, they should be able to hold the point. Moving him to NT also enables Aldon Smith to be on the field more...and that's going to be a good thing. Justin Smith has needed a true bookend DE and now he has one. They still have Evans and Tukuafu for depth/mentoring Aldon Smith. Franklin disappointed me last season...I also don't think he's worth the kind of money he's seeking. So, I think it's time to turn the page and move on without him.

- I agree with Franklin being somewhat disappointing last season, and am also not excited about paying him the type of contract he will demand.

- This bolded part confuses me. Do you then think Aldon will be bulked up and inserted in as the LDE? I thought the plan for him was stay around 270 and be our rush LB?

I like the idea of Sopoaga and RJF spending time on the field together at NT/LDE. We can have RayMac rotate at LDE, but we still would need some quality depth at NT or DE, depending on the particular rotation/involvement of the others mentioned.

- That was a good article with Sopo and I also liked the quotes.

If we can have J. Smith, Soap. and Ray Mac on the field at the same time with Aldoron able to line up whenever and P Willy roaming around, there will be matchup nightmares for the other offense. Aldoron shines inside and out. He could be the real deal and a one of a kind stud. Hopefully he pans out. The guy has some wicked powerful swim and club moves. Its like his arms are independent of his body and strong as legs.

Sure hope so. I didn't watch all that much of Aldon. I did watch a half-dozen Missouri games (just to evaluate Gabbert, mostly), but it wasn't often I saw Aldon stand out. I know he was coming off an injury, and he has shown that power you speak of a times.

Am so hoping he can turn out to be our next Charles Haley.

Yes he reminds me of Haley or R. White but more slim. He throws guards and tackles down like they were kids at time.
Take a look at his arms. They are like legs.

Maybe a hybrid? I'm scared to use that term because of Manny.

Considering Lord Fangio's ties to Capers, I think it might be instructive to look at GB's Nickel package from last year (they played most of the game in it). They go 2 down linemen, 4 LBs that line up anywhere, and 5 DBs that drop/blitz/cover unpredictably. The 2 DL could be JSmith, ICE, McDonald, RJF (rotating so the could pin their ears back and go), Aldon could be the LB that rushes from anywhere, and Willis could be the guy that seems to be everywhere (in the backfield on run/pass, in th throwing lanes, man up on a TE/back, shadowing a running QB). The 2-man rotation keeps the DL fresh for short yardage and other running situations. Lots of run blitzes intermingled with pass blitzes and strategically timed full coverage. I'm pretty excited. I'd do the dancing, double handies smiley, but that seems to belong to mayo.
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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
I'm in favor of him moving to NT...he can help mentor Jean-Francois and between the two of 'em, they should be able to hold the point. Moving him to NT also enables Aldon Smith to be on the field more...and that's going to be a good thing. Justin Smith has needed a true bookend DE and now he has one. They still have Evans and Tukuafu for depth/mentoring Aldon Smith. Franklin disappointed me last season...I also don't think he's worth the kind of money he's seeking. So, I think it's time to turn the page and move on without him.

- I agree with Franklin being somewhat disappointing last season, and am also not excited about paying him the type of contract he will demand.

- This bolded part confuses me. Do you then think Aldon will be bulked up and inserted in as the LDE? I thought the plan for him was stay around 270 and be our rush LB?

I like the idea of Sopoaga and RJF spending time on the field together at NT/LDE. We can have RayMac rotate at LDE, but we still would need some quality depth at NT or DE, depending on the particular rotation/involvement of the others mentioned.

- That was a good article with Sopo and I also liked the quotes.

If we can have J. Smith, Soap. and Ray Mac on the field at the same time with Aldoron able to line up whenever and P Willy roaming around, there will be matchup nightmares for the other offense. Aldoron shines inside and out. He could be the real deal and a one of a kind stud. Hopefully he pans out. The guy has some wicked powerful swim and club moves. Its like his arms are independent of his body and strong as legs.

Sure hope so. I didn't watch all that much of Aldon. I did watch a half-dozen Missouri games (just to evaluate Gabbert, mostly), but it wasn't often I saw Aldon stand out. I know he was coming off an injury, and he has shown that power you speak of a times.

Am so hoping he can turn out to be our next Charles Haley.

Yes he reminds me of Haley or R. White but more slim. He throws guards and tackles down like they were kids at time.
Take a look at his arms. They are like legs.

Maybe a hybrid? I'm scared to use that term because of Manny.

Considering Lord Fangio's ties to Capers, I think it might be instructive to look at GB's Nickel package from last year (they played most of the game in it). They go 2 down linemen, 4 LBs that line up anywhere, and 5 DBs that drop/blitz/cover unpredictably. The 2 DL could be JSmith, ICE, McDonald, RJF (rotating so the could pin their ears back and go), Aldon could be the LB that rushes from anywhere, and Willis could be the guy that seems to be everywhere (in the backfield on run/pass, in th throwing lanes, man up on a TE/back, shadowing a running QB). The 2-man rotation keeps the DL fresh for short yardage and other running situations. Lots of run blitzes intermingled with pass blitzes and strategically timed full coverage. I'm pretty excited. I'd do the dancing, double handies smiley, but that seems to belong to mayo.

Good post.
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
I'm in favor of him moving to NT...he can help mentor Jean-Francois and between the two of 'em, they should be able to hold the point. Moving him to NT also enables Aldon Smith to be on the field more...and that's going to be a good thing. Justin Smith has needed a true bookend DE and now he has one. They still have Evans and Tukuafu for depth/mentoring Aldon Smith. Franklin disappointed me last season...I also don't think he's worth the kind of money he's seeking. So, I think it's time to turn the page and move on without him.

- I agree with Franklin being somewhat disappointing last season, and am also not excited about paying him the type of contract he will demand.

- This bolded part confuses me. Do you then think Aldon will be bulked up and inserted in as the LDE? I thought the plan for him was stay around 270 and be our rush LB?

I like the idea of Sopoaga and RJF spending time on the field together at NT/LDE. We can have RayMac rotate at LDE, but we still would need some quality depth at NT or DE, depending on the particular rotation/involvement of the others mentioned.

- That was a good article with Sopo and I also liked the quotes.

If we can have J. Smith, Soap. and Ray Mac on the field at the same time with Aldoron able to line up whenever and P Willy roaming around, there will be matchup nightmares for the other offense. Aldoron shines inside and out. He could be the real deal and a one of a kind stud. Hopefully he pans out. The guy has some wicked powerful swim and club moves. Its like his arms are independent of his body and strong as legs.

Sure hope so. I didn't watch all that much of Aldon. I did watch a half-dozen Missouri games (just to evaluate Gabbert, mostly), but it wasn't often I saw Aldon stand out. I know he was coming off an injury, and he has shown that power you speak of a times.

Am so hoping he can turn out to be our next Charles Haley.

Yes he reminds me of Haley or R. White but more slim. He throws guards and tackles down like they were kids at time.
Take a look at his arms. They are like legs.

Maybe a hybrid? I'm scared to use that term because of Manny.

Considering Lord Fangio's ties to Capers, I think it might be instructive to look at GB's Nickel package from last year (they played most of the game in it). They go 2 down linemen, 4 LBs that line up anywhere, and 5 DBs that drop/blitz/cover unpredictably. The 2 DL could be JSmith, ICE, McDonald, RJF (rotating so the could pin their ears back and go), Aldon could be the LB that rushes from anywhere, and Willis could be the guy that seems to be everywhere (in the backfield on run/pass, in th throwing lanes, man up on a TE/back, shadowing a running QB). The 2-man rotation keeps the DL fresh for short yardage and other running situations. Lots of run blitzes intermingled with pass blitzes and strategically timed full coverage. I'm pretty excited. I'd do the dancing, double handies smiley, but that seems to belong to mayo.

Good post.
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
I'm in favor of him moving to NT...he can help mentor Jean-Francois and between the two of 'em, they should be able to hold the point. Moving him to NT also enables Aldon Smith to be on the field more...and that's going to be a good thing. Justin Smith has needed a true bookend DE and now he has one. They still have Evans and Tukuafu for depth/mentoring Aldon Smith. Franklin disappointed me last season...I also don't think he's worth the kind of money he's seeking. So, I think it's time to turn the page and move on without him.

- I agree with Franklin being somewhat disappointing last season, and am also not excited about paying him the type of contract he will demand.

- This bolded part confuses me. Do you then think Aldon will be bulked up and inserted in as the LDE? I thought the plan for him was stay around 270 and be our rush LB?

I like the idea of Sopoaga and RJF spending time on the field together at NT/LDE. We can have RayMac rotate at LDE, but we still would need some quality depth at NT or DE, depending on the particular rotation/involvement of the others mentioned.

- That was a good article with Sopo and I also liked the quotes.

If we can have J. Smith, Soap. and Ray Mac on the field at the same time with Aldoron able to line up whenever and P Willy roaming around, there will be matchup nightmares for the other offense. Aldoron shines inside and out. He could be the real deal and a one of a kind stud. Hopefully he pans out. The guy has some wicked powerful swim and club moves. Its like his arms are independent of his body and strong as legs.

Sure hope so. I didn't watch all that much of Aldon. I did watch a half-dozen Missouri games (just to evaluate Gabbert, mostly), but it wasn't often I saw Aldon stand out. I know he was coming off an injury, and he has shown that power you speak of a times.

Am so hoping he can turn out to be our next Charles Haley.

Yes he reminds me of Haley or R. White but more slim. He throws guards and tackles down like they were kids at time.
Take a look at his arms. They are like legs.

Maybe a hybrid? I'm scared to use that term because of Manny.

Considering Lord Fangio's ties to Capers, I think it might be instructive to look at GB's Nickel package from last year (they played most of the game in it). They go 2 down linemen, 4 LBs that line up anywhere, and 5 DBs that drop/blitz/cover unpredictably. The 2 DL could be JSmith, ICE, McDonald, RJF (rotating so the could pin their ears back and go), Aldon could be the LB that rushes from anywhere, and Willis could be the guy that seems to be everywhere (in the backfield on run/pass, in th throwing lanes, man up on a TE/back, shadowing a running QB). The 2-man rotation keeps the DL fresh for short yardage and other running situations. Lots of run blitzes intermingled with pass blitzes and strategically timed full coverage. I'm pretty excited. I'd do the dancing, double handies smiley, but that seems to belong to mayo.

Good post.
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
I'm in favor of him moving to NT...he can help mentor Jean-Francois and between the two of 'em, they should be able to hold the point. Moving him to NT also enables Aldon Smith to be on the field more...and that's going to be a good thing. Justin Smith has needed a true bookend DE and now he has one. They still have Evans and Tukuafu for depth/mentoring Aldon Smith. Franklin disappointed me last season...I also don't think he's worth the kind of money he's seeking. So, I think it's time to turn the page and move on without him.

- I agree with Franklin being somewhat disappointing last season, and am also not excited about paying him the type of contract he will demand.

- This bolded part confuses me. Do you then think Aldon will be bulked up and inserted in as the LDE? I thought the plan for him was stay around 270 and be our rush LB?

I like the idea of Sopoaga and RJF spending time on the field together at NT/LDE. We can have RayMac rotate at LDE, but we still would need some quality depth at NT or DE, depending on the particular rotation/involvement of the others mentioned.

- That was a good article with Sopo and I also liked the quotes.

If we can have J. Smith, Soap. and Ray Mac on the field at the same time with Aldoron able to line up whenever and P Willy roaming around, there will be matchup nightmares for the other offense. Aldoron shines inside and out. He could be the real deal and a one of a kind stud. Hopefully he pans out. The guy has some wicked powerful swim and club moves. Its like his arms are independent of his body and strong as legs.

Sure hope so. I didn't watch all that much of Aldon. I did watch a half-dozen Missouri games (just to evaluate Gabbert, mostly), but it wasn't often I saw Aldon stand out. I know he was coming off an injury, and he has shown that power you speak of a times.

Am so hoping he can turn out to be our next Charles Haley.

Yes he reminds me of Haley or R. White but more slim. He throws guards and tackles down like they were kids at time.
Take a look at his arms. They are like legs.

Maybe a hybrid? I'm scared to use that term because of Manny.

Considering Lord Fangio's ties to Capers, I think it might be instructive to look at GB's Nickel package from last year (they played most of the game in it). They go 2 down linemen, 4 LBs that line up anywhere, and 5 DBs that drop/blitz/cover unpredictably. The 2 DL could be JSmith, ICE, McDonald, RJF (rotating so the could pin their ears back and go), Aldon could be the LB that rushes from anywhere, and Willis could be the guy that seems to be everywhere (in the backfield on run/pass, in th throwing lanes, man up on a TE/back, shadowing a running QB). The 2-man rotation keeps the DL fresh for short yardage and other running situations. Lots of run blitzes intermingled with pass blitzes and strategically timed full coverage. I'm pretty excited. I'd do the dancing, double handies smiley, but that seems to belong to mayo.

Good post.

They talked about Green Bay's nickel package last night on NFL Total Access.
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
I'm in favor of him moving to NT...he can help mentor Jean-Francois and between the two of 'em, they should be able to hold the point. Moving him to NT also enables Aldon Smith to be on the field more...and that's going to be a good thing. Justin Smith has needed a true bookend DE and now he has one. They still have Evans and Tukuafu for depth/mentoring Aldon Smith. Franklin disappointed me last season...I also don't think he's worth the kind of money he's seeking. So, I think it's time to turn the page and move on without him.

- I agree with Franklin being somewhat disappointing last season, and am also not excited about paying him the type of contract he will demand.

- This bolded part confuses me. Do you then think Aldon will be bulked up and inserted in as the LDE? I thought the plan for him was stay around 270 and be our rush LB?

I like the idea of Sopoaga and RJF spending time on the field together at NT/LDE. We can have RayMac rotate at LDE, but we still would need some quality depth at NT or DE, depending on the particular rotation/involvement of the others mentioned.

- That was a good article with Sopo and I also liked the quotes.

If we can have J. Smith, Soap. and Ray Mac on the field at the same time with Aldoron able to line up whenever and P Willy roaming around, there will be matchup nightmares for the other offense. Aldoron shines inside and out. He could be the real deal and a one of a kind stud. Hopefully he pans out. The guy has some wicked powerful swim and club moves. Its like his arms are independent of his body and strong as legs.

Sure hope so. I didn't watch all that much of Aldon. I did watch a half-dozen Missouri games (just to evaluate Gabbert, mostly), but it wasn't often I saw Aldon stand out. I know he was coming off an injury, and he has shown that power you speak of a times.

Am so hoping he can turn out to be our next Charles Haley.

Yes he reminds me of Haley or R. White but more slim. He throws guards and tackles down like they were kids at time.
Take a look at his arms. They are like legs.

Maybe a hybrid? I'm scared to use that term because of Manny.

Considering Lord Fangio's ties to Capers, I think it might be instructive to look at GB's Nickel package from last year (they played most of the game in it). They go 2 down linemen, 4 LBs that line up anywhere, and 5 DBs that drop/blitz/cover unpredictably. The 2 DL could be JSmith, ICE, McDonald, RJF (rotating so the could pin their ears back and go), Aldon could be the LB that rushes from anywhere, and Willis could be the guy that seems to be everywhere (in the backfield on run/pass, in th throwing lanes, man up on a TE/back, shadowing a running QB). The 2-man rotation keeps the DL fresh for short yardage and other running situations. Lots of run blitzes intermingled with pass blitzes and strategically timed full coverage. I'm pretty excited. I'd do the dancing, double handies smiley, but that seems to belong to mayo.

Good post.

They talked about Green Bay's nickel package last night on NFL Total Access.

It beats the hell out of the "Big Nickel" package. I could see Clements, if he's back, playing a variation of that Charles Woodson role. He already slides to the slot on Nickle packages and comes up hard in run support. He could be productive as a blitzer, if the coverage would hold up without him. For this to work, there needs to be solid coverage on the outside. We don't know for sure what the young guys can do, or if Phillip Adams will be 100%, but Sam Shields and Tramon Williams seemed to come out of nowhere. If someone steps up, or the FO brings in a competent Free Agent (NOT William James), The blitz package could be a lot of fun to watch. In regards to Aldon Smith, I don't know that he will ever be the demon off the edge that Clay Matthews is, but his game seems to be more about freakish strength and lateral agitility. Maybe he never was coached in the outside rush, or maybe he was and it didn't take. Either way, I think he gets past o-lineman (if he maintains disciplined pad level) and accelerates to the QB. If Ahmad Brooks shows up under 400 pounds, maybe he could be an explosive edge rusher.
The more I think about how much better ICE has been in the last 2 years, and how much Franklin improved as a 49er, the more I appreciate Tomsula as a coach. RJF kind of gave it away a bit when he mentioned (around TC last year) that Franklin's game was all about technique, leverage and film study. I think you put a lot of that on the coach. I agree with other posters who said that ICE will be fine, considering how he has matured as a player since the last time he played nose. I believe we were in Nolan's 2 gap scheme last time ICE was a nose as well. He seems better suited to a more active, 1 gap scheme. It still occupies two blockers, it just puts the burden of reaction on the OL, instead of the DL.
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
The more I think about how much better ICE has been in the last 2 years, and how much Franklin improved as a 49er, the more I appreciate Tomsula as a coach. RJF kind of gave it away a bit when he mentioned (around TC last year) that Franklin's game was all about technique, leverage and film study. I think you put a lot of that on the coach. I agree with other posters who said that ICE will be fine, considering how he has matured as a player since the last time he played nose. I believe we were in Nolan's 2 gap scheme last time ICE was a nose as well. He seems better suited to a more active, 1 gap scheme. It still occupies two blockers, it just puts the burden of reaction on the OL, instead of the DL.

Good post that I agree with.... except the bit at the end, with stipulation. If a penetrating NT isn't effective at penetrating, then OLs will quickly learn not to bother utilizing an extra OL to focus on him and focus that extra attention on another defender.

(not to suggest Sopo won't be a good A gap penetrator, but we'll have to wait and see)
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
The more I think about how much better ICE has been in the last 2 years, and how much Franklin improved as a 49er, the more I appreciate Tomsula as a coach. RJF kind of gave it away a bit when he mentioned (around TC last year) that Franklin's game was all about technique, leverage and film study. I think you put a lot of that on the coach. I agree with other posters who said that ICE will be fine, considering how he has matured as a player since the last time he played nose. I believe we were in Nolan's 2 gap scheme last time ICE was a nose as well. He seems better suited to a more active, 1 gap scheme. It still occupies two blockers, it just puts the burden of reaction on the OL, instead of the DL.

Good post that I agree with.... except the bit at the end, with stipulation. If a penetrating NT isn't effective at penetrating, then OLs will quickly learn not to bother utilizing an extra OL to focus on him and focus that extra attention on another defender.

(not to suggest Sopo won't be a good A gap penetrator, but we'll have to wait and see)

Fair enough. I wouldn't be surprised to see both 2-gap and 1-gap techniques used to keep the OL guessing. IIRC, Nolan moved ICE back out to DE because he had the quickest first step of the down linemen. I haven't seen anything to suggest that his talents have deteriorated. If he knows the system, and that system gives him the occasional green light to get upfield, I believe he will be successful. I don't know it. As you said, we'll have to wait and see. Hopefully that wait will end sooner than later.
Bout time . Had him there always in madden for years.
YESSAIIII!!!! MY BOI MOVING BACK HOME TO THE NT.......BRING ON THE SEASON AND THOSE WEAK A$$ CENTERS.....ISLAND BOI GONNA DO DAMAGE THIS YEAR......CHEE!!!!!!
MaioccoCSN: Isaac Sopoaga said he found out yesterday while meeting with DL coach Jim Tomsula he'd be moving to nose tackle for the 49ers. His move from LDE to NT, replacing Aubrayo Franklin, is 49ers' plan after re-signing Ray McDonald to start at LDE.
Originally posted by PTulini:
MaioccoCSN: Isaac Sopoaga said he found out yesterday while meeting with DL coach Jim Tomsula he'd be moving to nose tackle for the 49ers. His move from LDE to NT, replacing Aubrayo Franklin, is 49ers' plan after re-signing Ray McDonald to start at LDE.

I think he will do fine since Fangio defense is more of an attacking style.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by PTulini:
MaioccoCSN: Isaac Sopoaga said he found out yesterday while meeting with DL coach Jim Tomsula he'd be moving to nose tackle for the 49ers. His move from LDE to NT, replacing Aubrayo Franklin, is 49ers' plan after re-signing Ray McDonald to start at LDE.

I think he will do fine since Fangio defense is more of an attacking style.

More than fine.....that polynesian is gonna beast out there this year......mark the hawaiiians word....yea Im biast......CHEE!!!!!!!!