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Im all for it.......that man is a line mover......he is sole reason why Justin Smith is a Pro Bowler.
I disagree with this. He has absolutely nothing to do with Justin Smith being a pro-bowler. Soap gets zero penetration and due to this, make it easier for the offense to block Manny or who ever else in playing next to him. He holds the line well and enables Willis to make plays, but as far as him being a play maker, he is the strongest weakest link on the DL.
The strongest weakest link.....what does that even mean,....he's the Merlin Olsen to the Deacon Jones.
how many times he benched 225 at the combine...hes strong...but a weak player...*sigh*
and this is coming from........probably a guy who doesnt even weigh 225......a weak player the man has been a consistent starter in the NFL, you gotta be a strong player to do that.....
225 would be way too big for me im 5'10 175 but back on topic... yeah dude is garbage.
Dude is not garbage.....
how is he not?
Nobody moves him on the line......he does all the dirty work...... like occupie space..... takes him self along with two OL out of the play.....stats and camera angles following the ball doesnt really show what he does for our D-Line. The man may not be All Pro materiel but hes not garbage, I bet if he leaves and we go as is our D-line gets really crappy.
i doubt it hes not football smart. yeah hes strong but hes never around the ball making plays
.. Sopoaga is not asked to be a play-making DE. Wow. Come on now. He has a specific purpose and that is space-eating and containment and he does an excellent job of both. From time to time, you will see him put in a situation where he can make a play, and he has made some, but that's not his primary responsibility.
Guys like Brett Keisel (PIT), Kedrick Golston (WASH), Luis Castillo (SD), Sione Pouha (NYJ), and Marcus Spears (DAL) all play virtually the same role with their teams. Some of these guys aren't more well-known because of it, but make no mistake, they're highly valued by their teams.
Sopoaga has been doing a fine job for a long time and people need to understand that just because he's not in there racking up enormous sack numbers, that doesn't mean he's a terrible player all of a sudden. Our line would be MUCH worse without him.
Containment??? How about this? He is asked to contain because he can not make plays! A play maker commands the opponent's attention and thus no need to simply contain. A container holds while others have to make the play. He is not a container by choice; it's due to lack of ability.
Every player has a role. And it's very rare that you field a team with 11 superstars. We have two or three superstars on our defense. J. Smith, P. Willis and A. Franklin (if he stays).
On any given play Soap's role can change. I think saying something like "he's asked to contain because he can't make plays" is a little off the mark. In general, given the fact that he is a 3-4 end Soap's primary responsibility is to maintain the line and stuff the run. It's not a flashy position and Soap isn't going to be a season after season Pro Bowler. But he carries his weight.
Weather he can do it at the NT position is a different question entirely.
Agreed. Hes plays a key role to help key players.