CB Chris Culliver, South Carolina

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by turfdoggs49:
So I'm a steelers fan because I think their front office does a better job than ours? If you really mean that then that'd make 75% of this board steelers fans. Their fo has won 2 of the last 6 superbowls. Ours hasnt even made the playoffs since 2002. Logic says they pick better players than we do. Even a homer should be able to see that.



All Iam saying is that if the 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh likes the pick then let see what he can do they just had j John p in and he must not been what they where looking 4 that it.

Yeah but whether you like a guy or not you have to know his value. They took Culliver way too high. Its the same s**t as last year, they picked Taylor Mays when better cover guys were available and then he struggles and we are all supposed to be shocked or something. YOu can fool me once but you cant fool me twice and Baalke better hope that Harbaugh can save his ass by coaching these guys up or he is really going to have f**ked us over. Baalke made the same type of picks last year and we all blamed it on Singletary, but the guy Sing really liked (Iupati) wound up being the only player who actually turned out to be really good.

Good f'n point... That's a really valid point. I have to side with you there.

Originally posted by AkNiners:
I'm wondering what other CB we could have gotten who has this combination of size and speed? I don't think there is one. They are putting a lot of pressure on the new staff to coach these guys up. If they win more games than last year, I'm happy. I'm interested to see who they pick up in the late rounds, that's where this scouting staff seems to really shine.

This is a good point. So far every 9er pick is a raw athlete sort of guy.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by 49erFan:
Depth in the secondary, and an immediate special teams contributer.

Worthy of a 3rd round pick?

We dont need depth in the secondary, we need a solid CB who can cover and has some ball skills. Someone like Johnny Patrick or Curtis Brown. Instead we get another guy who is a tweener between FS and CB. He's not great in coverage so he's not a great CB, and he has no ball skills and he's not great against the run so how will he be a good FS. We already have a bunch of young safeties in Reggie Smith, Taylor Mays, Chris Maragos, and Curtis Taylor. That is not even counting Dashon Goldson who will probably be back. This is a dumb pick. Baalke is in love with people's athleticism and height and speed and he's not good at picking actual good football players.

If he develops then yeah good pick, but I sure hope we can coach him up because just because he's a hell of an athlete doesnt make him a great player. Baalke picks these guys every time.

I'm not attacking and I totally understand what you're saying, but I truly believe that you can't solve 100% of a teams needs in one draft. You have to start with the value/fit for what you can get and keep moving. It's not impossible but extremely rare for a team to hit home runs with solving needs with every pick.

Maybe I'm being unrealistic but I feel like many comment as if this is the last draft ever. The 49ers have to build this thing piece by piece with a competent coaching staff that will develop players. Again, the NEs of the league can only trade/deal and continue to collect picks because they develop the players they have - who aren't always consensus picks.

I'm willing to wait to see what the new coaching staff will do. I think they get at LEAST one year of leeway.

Yeah then that goes to my whole point. Trade back some more, stock some more picks, and then take Culliver later. But I guarantee you he wouldn't have gone for a few more picks. Baalke always picks H/W/S guys, just look at Taylor Mays last year, Anthony Davis, etc. Its the same damn philosophy as Scott McCloughan and it got us nowhere.

Meanwhile teams like the Patriots pick guys that "have flaws" but are solid players and they got really good players. Look at Ras-I Dowling. Injury guy this year but they figured he had more talent and he'll be healthy eventually. Or the guys last year, Brandon Spikes runs a horrific 40 yard dash but they decided 40 isnt that big of deal and get their TED LB of the future. Meanwhile we pick Navorro Bowman who was smaller than Spikes, more athletic and had actually played OLB in 4-3 defense. He struggled for us. The Pats get contributions from a 6th or 7th round pick like Julian Edelman because he knows how to play even though he's not the most physically talented guy. Yeah they have a good QB but even he was a 6th round pick. They are just better at spotting talent, maneuvering around in the draft(always making good trades, rarely if ever trade up), picking guys who can play right away. We pick guys who need developing and then we reach for them too.

Hopefully Culliver can become a player but IMO Baalke is a dumbass.

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by turfdoggs49:
So I'm a steelers fan because I think their front office does a better job than ours? If you really mean that then that'd make 75% of this board steelers fans. Their fo has won 2 of the last 6 superbowls. Ours hasnt even made the playoffs since 2002. Logic says they pick better players than we do. Even a homer should be able to see that.



All Iam saying is that if the 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh likes the pick then let see what he can do they just had j John p in and he must not been what they where looking 4 that it.

Yeah but whether you like a guy or not you have to know his value. They took Culliver way too high. Its the same s**t as last year, they picked Taylor Mays when better cover guys were available and then he struggles and we are all supposed to be shocked or something. YOu can fool me once but you cant fool me twice and Baalke better hope that Harbaugh can save his ass by coaching these guys up or he is really going to have f**ked us over. Baalke made the same type of picks last year and we all blamed it on Singletary, but the guy Sing really liked (Iupati) wound up being the only player who actually turned out to be really good.

Good f'n point... That's a really valid point. I have to side with you there.

Thanks. Unfortunately. Usually I am an optomist/homer. Unfortunately not right now

How he fits: This secondary gives up an alarming amount of big passing plays and lacks turn-and-run cover corners. Nate Clements is aging and has a big contract, while Shawntae Spencer is inconsistent. They need a starter who cam play man coverage and blitz off the edge and Culliver is a guy that has good cover skills and some experience at safety.

Originally posted by bret:
Mayock said he had him rated a 6th rounder, but Maddog had him as pick #80!

Dope.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by turfdoggs49:
So I'm a steelers fan because I think their front office does a better job than ours? If you really mean that then that'd make 75% of this board steelers fans. Their fo has won 2 of the last 6 superbowls. Ours hasnt even made the playoffs since 2002. Logic says they pick better players than we do. Even a homer should be able to see that.



All Iam saying is that if the 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh likes the pick then let see what he can do they just had j John p in and he must not been what they where looking 4 that it.

Yeah but whether you like a guy or not you have to know his value. They took Culliver way too high. Its the same s**t as last year, they picked Taylor Mays when better cover guys were available and then he struggles and we are all supposed to be shocked or something. YOu can fool me once but you cant fool me twice and Baalke better hope that Harbaugh can save his ass by coaching these guys up or he is really going to have f**ked us over. Baalke made the same type of picks last year and we all blamed it on Singletary, but the guy Sing really liked (Iupati) wound up being the only player who actually turned out to be really good.

But this is just not accurate - the assumption is that Baalke is conducting the draft alone without any sorting of the board by Vic Fangio, Ed Donnatel or Brad Seely.

All we have to go on is that he said he'd be the trigger man for the draft, most of the scouting department is the same, and he picked the same type of players last year despite a different coaching staff. Baalke seems like the GM version of Al Davis.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Ugh we should've traded back some more. We could've got this guy in the 4th. Baalke is a dumbass.

Baalke isn't running the draft by himself. Remember all defensive coaches are in that war room and have had input. So it's not just Baalke you're calling a dumbass, it's also Vic Fangio and Ed Donnatel. There's no way you can separate the two unless you're sure the entire defensive staff wanted someone else and Baalke insisted on this one person, it's not all on him.

Wow, Baalke isn't stupid with this pick. I predicted Culliver would go in the third. He's a very good safety prospect, and is likely the one who'll replace Goldson.

Originally posted by bigmike55:

Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:

Chris Culliver is officially the leanist 49er in history. Dude is shredded. Looks like he has 0% Body Fat. No homo.

Chisseled physique. Intricate tattoos. Scouting reports say he plays like a puff. Well, at least we now have a matching bookend for Taylor Mays.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by turfdoggs49:
So I'm a steelers fan because I think their front office does a better job than ours? If you really mean that then that'd make 75% of this board steelers fans. Their fo has won 2 of the last 6 superbowls. Ours hasnt even made the playoffs since 2002. Logic says they pick better players than we do. Even a homer should be able to see that.



All Iam saying is that if the 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh likes the pick then let see what he can do they just had j John p in and he must not been what they where looking 4 that it.

Yeah but whether you like a guy or not you have to know his value. They took Culliver way too high. Its the same s**t as last year, they picked Taylor Mays when better cover guys were available and then he struggles and we are all supposed to be shocked or something. YOu can fool me once but you cant fool me twice and Baalke better hope that Harbaugh can save his ass by coaching these guys up or he is really going to have f**ked us over. Baalke made the same type of picks last year and we all blamed it on Singletary, but the guy Sing really liked (Iupati) wound up being the only player who actually turned out to be really good.

But this is just not accurate - the assumption is that Baalke is conducting the draft alone without any sorting of the board by Vic Fangio, Ed Donnatel or Brad Seely.

All we have to go on is that he said he'd be the trigger man for the draft, most of the scouting department is the same, and he picked the same type of players last year despite a different coaching staff. Baalke seems like the GM version of Al Davis.

But that's not all we have to go on bud. The trigger man doesn't mean decision without advice or consent. You can't blame one guy for an entire draft, particularly with a new coaching staff as reputable and accredited as this group. It's very hard for me to imagine even Ed Donnatel a former DC in his own right just being told what to do or who to draft. I don't think Harbaugh who had his choice of many places to go would have signed up for a complete dictatorship where one guy dictates without advice (like Al Davis) what type of player we choose.

I know you're frustrated bud, but you don't really believe that's how it's run do you?

Nicely said NinerGM

[ Edited by turfdoggs49 on Apr 29, 2011 at 19:45:59 ]

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by SDDAVE:
We finally have a kick returner at last. Check out the video, you will like it.

s**t..homeboy got moves

LOL. I said the same exact thing before I read your quote!

I'll keep saying this; "Jim Harbaugh had Tony Romo and David Garrad graded better than Joey Harrington." When other teams didn't even have Romo on their draft board! I think Jim knows what to look for in a player, and trust his coaching skills a lot.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by PTulini:
bydavidwhite: Culliver played CB and S. Mike Mayock had him as a sixth-rounder. "A height-weight-speed guy but he worries me."

Thought they were going to grab that CB from Louisville. Bad pick.

"That CB from Louisville must not be too much of a prospect if you can't even remember his name.

There were 5 CBs taken within 10 picks after Culliver.

DeMarcus Van Dyke - Raiders

Johnny Patrick - New ORl

Shareece Wright - SD

Curtis Marsh - Philly (traded up)


Anyone got the goods on these guys?

easily patrick, van dyke was a reach too

I remember watching him at USC, he is a baller. I think is exactly like Reggie Smith was at OU. Pretty much to a tee.

Originally posted by ninerlifer:
I remember watching him at USC, he is a baller. I think is exactly like Reggie Smith was at OU. Pretty much to a tee.

i lived in columbia but still never cared for the gamecocks so i know nothing about the guy, so if hes like reggie smith he wont do crap but then again we got a totally new and much better staff to coach them up