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Kolb, IMO more upside. We pretty much now what Orton can do with a full season.
Alex Smith is better or on par with both Kolb and Orton. Kolb is the same age as Alex and has been groomed by coaches that know how to bring along QB's. Orton is 28 and didn't really get good until he was 27 or 28 playing under a coach who is good with QB's. Smith's numbers over the last 2 years have been on par or better than both Kolb and Orton. I think under Harbaugh he can get better. We also have to look at the fact that Smith was the best redzone QB in the NFL last year.
Mind = blown
Orton's numbers are far better than Alex's. He has a 2:1 TD to INT ratio in the last 2 years and a QB rating 5 or so points higher. He also turned Brandon Lloyd (the guy who people called a bum) into a pro-bowler. Orton is far better than Alex.
Statistically Alex is better. That Dallas game at the end of the year really hurt Kolb's numbers whereas, Alex's game against the Cards really helped his numbers. But statistically, yes, Alex (with 60 games under his belt) had better numbers than Kolb (20 games experience). Thing is, I still think Kolb is better than Alex. He's more accurate, throws a far better deep ball, has better mechanics, footwork and can still be developed. The fact that he threw for over 300 yards and 3 touchdowns against Atlanta shows me that there's something there. Then throwing for almost 400 against the SB champions the year before was impressive. Alex has never done this.
Anyways, you can make the argument that Alex is better when you look at their stats. But, if you compare them fairly. If you look at Alex's/Kolb's first 20 games. Who was better? I'd rather roll with Kolb, just wouldn't give up much for him as I don't think he's all that good.
Come on man are you comparing the surrounding cast of Kolb and Alex Smith from their first 20 games? Or even this years cast. Let's be real. Kolb hasn't shown that he is better than Alex Smith. He has had some good games and alot of bad ones. You don't like Alex as much because you see his weaknesses every week whereas Kolb's weaknesses are sitting on the bench. It is the classic backup QB siyndrome.
The reality is that Kolb might be better than Smith, but there is a real possibility that Kolb may be worse. If you can't look fairly at the mitigating factors in Smith's tenure with the 49ers then you aren't being reasonable or fair.
How else am I supposed to compare them? I'm not going to compare a guy with 20 games under his belt with a guy who's played 60. The only fair comparison is where they were their first 20 games. Kolb is far ahead. It doesn't matter how awful Alex's supporting cast was, he was NOT accurate and he still isn't accurate. You really think he'd be connecting on bombs to Deshaun?
Kolb reminds me of Alex if he went to Green Bay. He plays it safe and doesn't take as many chances. However, he's still pretty raw and can be developed. He looked better in College than Alex and I'd much rather give him a shot than Alex. I've seen enough of Alex to know I'm not interested in continuing with him. I've seen enough of Kolb to think he may be a viable option.
I don't believe that you have seen Kolb very much but I do believe that you have seen Alex plenty. Kolb has not shown anything. I watched almost every eagles game this year. It doesn't matter anyway.
And you are wrong about the comparison but I am sick of arguing with people who can't just lay all the chips on the table and call it how it is. I'm not trying to win some argument. All I would like to see is an evaluation that is not coming from an emotional standpoint. Take all the factors in to account fairly, and the only reason you want Kolb is because he is not Alex Smith. that is fine. I totally understand the sentiment, but don't try to prove that Kolb is better by his play. He certainly hasn't shown that at all with a much better situation.
Will you stop crying?
I think Kolb has shown ENOUGH for me to want to take a shot at him. Funny how every analyst is picking the 9ers to go after Kolb...I guess they just dislike Alex too, huh? Ask Philly fans if they'd take Alex over Kolb.
I think Kolb is better....you think Alex is...end of discussion.
I didn't say that I think Alex is better. I wasn't crying. Why bring that up? Does that make you feel better about your piss poor argument?
Will you post links of the analysts that are saying that?
Do you know a ton of philly fans to have the information that you are spewing?
You are just another ignorant fan who likes to rant without facts... sad really.
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It's a fact that Kolb had better numbers in his first 20 games than Alex did in his first 20. You cried and tried to make every excuse in the book as to why Kolb's numbers were better.
Don't talk about facts, then cry when they're presented to you.
Are you a teenager? I am going to try this one more time.
The problem is that you only presented SOME of the facts. That was my whole problem with your post. If you only present the facts or statistics that back up your point of view without honestly investigating all the facts then you aren't reliable. I was simply trying to point that out.
The way to measure statistics with any meaning is to use them when most or all variables are the same so that you can get an accurate reading. The variables between those two were not anywhere near the same. Even if you proved that Kolb really was a better player than Smith back then you would still have to prove that that that fact can be extrapolated to predict future success. I highly doubt it, but hey I would be open to hearing something like that if it was well researched.
A much more important statistic to use would have been their most recent performance. By that measure Alex Smith was slightly better, but neither were anything too special.
I would love it if you could respond with something intelligible, but I'm not holding my breath.
No one can prove what will happen in the future. WTF is wrong with you? I never even said Kolb would be good in the future. What I said was I was willing to give him a shot based on what he's done so far.
this season he had 7 tds 7 int (7)
last season he had 4 td 3 int(5)
2008 season 0 td 4 int (6)
alex smith
this season he had 14 td 10 int (10)
last season he had 18 td 12 int (10)
and keep in mind kolb has had the better coach o line ill admit eagles arent that much better than the niners but they had stability and better targets
[ Edited by 49ersalldaway126 on Feb 17, 2011 at 8:25 PM ]
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