Out of these QB's, who would you start and why?

Originally posted by JayBee:
It's pretty sad how some will make an excuse for every Alex failure.

The OL sucks
Moran cut off his route
The tipped ball was on the receiver
The last pass of the game was a hail mary
He was getting booed

Like, I've never heard this many excuses made for any other player in the history of the NFL. None. Cuz at the end of the day, the stats do not include an "excuse" factor.....or a "not my fault" stat. If you looked at 2 potential hires...one had a 2.5 GPA and the other had a 3.8 GPA. Who are you going to hire? The guy with the 3.8? Or the guy with the 2.5 and a boatload of excuses? Excuses are for losers, period.

My question to the Alex fans. Why aren't you consistent with your excuses? Why are Alex's stats cherry picked? Why is everything someone elses fault.....but other QB's just "suck". Why do you solely look at stats when it comes to other QBs? Why do you only evaluate other QB's based on their stats? Why don't you break down their stats? Perhaps if you did, you'd be able to use the same excuses as you have for Alex.

It's annoying.

Alex stan: "Alex is better than McNabb, his stats are better"
Voice of reason: "McNabb had an off year, Alex has had 6 off years"
Alex stan: "McNabb sucks"
Voice of reason: "OK, Ben Rothlesburger is a far superior QB to Alex"
Alex stan: "But Ben has weapons and great coaching"
Voice of reason: "OK, but if you look at his stats, he is the better QB"
Alex stan: "It's not all about stats, Alex has had tipped balls, bad route running, awful playcalling, etc...so add 15 points to his QB rating which would put him ahead of Big Ben. Then when you consider Alex's super play in week 17 then Alex was a Pro-Bowl caliber QB...Of course you'd have to excuse the games against KC, Atlanta, Seattle and San Diego....the team simply wasn't good. No other QB would be able to put up better numbers.
Voice of reason:

I hope Alex starts next year. It'll finally be the end of all the excuses.

Dude, I really like your posts man. Keep it up. Too many Stans on the Zone haha

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by JayBee:

In the very first sentence I said "It's pretty sad how some will make an excuse for every Alex failure."

If it doesn't apply to you, then let it go. You seem pretty defensive for no reason.

Edit: It's not that I think Alex can develop into a good QB. I frankly don't care. I just want to start over with a new QB. 6 years in...and I still don't feel confident in his abilities. I don't care who is at fault, I want a NEW QUARTERBACK! Damn near any QB can be good with the right amount of time, excellent situation, weapons, etc... The problem is, it's rare that a QB gets this much time to prove themselves.

Yes, Alex has had good games....so has David Carr, Matt Moore, Jamarcus Russell. THE ISSUE IS CONSISTENCY! Alex is not a consistent QB...just like the others I named.

Many of your examples were direct quotes from my post(s), so I thought you were being specific. My mistake! The "I frankly don't care." just want him gone comment closes an option that Harbaugh evidently thinks might be the best, and I want what is best for the 9ers...even if he thought Car was the best...shudder!

I wasn't picking at you....just in general. I too want what's best for the team...I just feel that Alex is not best for the team. I just feel like there's no future for him here, so why even bother?

I will back the coach, but I don't have to agree with every decision he makes. This is one I disagree with. Guess we'll see what happens.

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Aside from a few cherry-picked, elite QBs... who the heck IS truly consistent?

Just look at Drew Brees' season game to game... go ahead.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=2580

Some really nice QBRs, sure... but there are 70's and 60's mixed in also. Is that the definition of consistent. We can say he has been more consistent... maybe... as clearly Raye had Alex and that offense pretty mucked up early on... but look at the rest...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=8416

Aside from the debacle at SD, the QBR down the stretch looks pretty consistent... not consistently fantastic, but not too shabby either.

QBs with better personnel and coaching around them will generally be better with consistency, no?

Let's look at Matt Ryan.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=11237

Some good games mixed with some 60's and 70's.... is that consistent?

Are you serious? This nonsense doesn't even deserve a response. Complete drivel.

Originally posted by JayBee:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Aside from a few cherry-picked, elite QBs... who the heck IS truly consistent?

Just look at Drew Brees' season game to game... go ahead.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=2580

Some really nice QBRs, sure... but there are 70's and 60's mixed in also. Is that the definition of consistent. We can say he has been more consistent... maybe... as clearly Raye had Alex and that offense pretty mucked up early on... but look at the rest...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=8416

Aside from the debacle at SD, the QBR down the stretch looks pretty consistent... not consistently fantastic, but not too shabby either.

QBs with better personnel and coaching around them will generally be better with consistency, no?

Let's look at Matt Ryan.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=11237

Some good games mixed with some 60's and 70's.... is that consistent?

Are you serious? This nonsense doesn't even deserve a response. Complete drivel.

That's fine... crawl off to your corner and hide your eyes when you can not handle seeing the truth right in front of you.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by JayBee:
It's pretty sad how some will make an excuse for every Alex failure.

...and on the other side, every failure this now wretched franchise has suffered has been the fault of Alex Smith. NEVER is anything ever discussed by some other than Alex Smith. Upon the suggestion that fans should watch something else other than the guy with the ball in his hands, they are ignored. If anyone even attempts to discuss the shortcomings of the coaches and other players, they are criticized as only making excuses. That is pretty sad.

Stop it. It's always extremes with you guys. No one has blamed Alex for the failures of the team and the people around him. However, there is no denying that the QB is the heart of a team. The QB controls the fate of the team more than any other individual of the team. The QB usually makes more than anyone on the team. He is the one player who's not to be touched during practice. And if he's supposed to be your franchise QB making 50/60M upfront...then you better believe he will have high expectations, often unreal expectations. But that's how it is...that's what playing QB in the NFL is all about. Is anyone talking about Pittsburgh's soft defense in the SuperBowl or Rothlesburger's costly play? The QB gets all the accolades when the TEAM wins and all the blame when the team loses. That's how it's always been and how it will always be.

And lets nto act like Alex is the only player that gets criticized. The reason why it seems like he gets the most criticism is because he's still HERE! If Nolan was still here after 6 seasons of losing, he'd be getting the brunt of the criticism.

Alex deserves a lot of criticism, as do other players and members of the organization...but the majority of those individuals have been REPLACED. Why hasn't Alex?

You know what's pretty sad though? When members compare Alex to Steve Young or Montana or when Alex fans point out individual plays in a season to where a receiver didn't make a play. Or saying that he was too timid to take chances downfield because the coach told him to check down every pass. Or how about blaming a receiver for tipped ball interceptions? Do people not watch other QB's play? Every QB has several int's that are off tipped balls. Some their fault, some the fault of the receivrers.

He's played 6 seasons and you can't point to one season that he played well. It's always stretches of a few games....with some sort of disclaimer. That speaks volumes of his inconsistent play. There's always "something" that prevented him from having a good season. When you hear this all the time, it's called an excuse.

I won't even get on people bashing Troy but making excuses for Alex. It doesn't even make sense.

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Aside from a few cherry-picked, elite QBs... who the heck IS truly consistent?

Just look at Drew Brees' season game to game... go ahead.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=2580

Some really nice QBRs, sure... but there are 70's and 60's mixed in also. Is that the definition of consistent. We can say he has been more consistent... maybe... as clearly Raye had Alex and that offense pretty mucked up early on... but look at the rest...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=8416

Aside from the debacle at SD, the QBR down the stretch looks pretty consistent... not consistently fantastic, but not too shabby either.

QBs with better personnel and coaching around them will generally be better with consistency, no?

Let's look at Matt Ryan.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=11237

Some good games mixed with some 60's and 70's.... is that consistent?

Interesting post. Just for fun I decided to see how other QBs did against Seattle and found that Smith did better than the other guys in rating. Also looked at all the top QBs and Rogers seems to be the most consistent after P Manning and Brady. They both had off games as well, but fewer than others. I did not look at all QBs but just the guys I consider to be among the best. Almost all of them had four or more games below a 70 rating. I wonder how they would have done playing for the 9ers?

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Aside from a few cherry-picked, elite QBs... who the heck IS truly consistent?

Just look at Drew Brees' season game to game... go ahead.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=2580

Some really nice QBRs, sure... but there are 70's and 60's mixed in also. Is that the definition of consistent. We can say he has been more consistent... maybe... as clearly Raye had Alex and that offense pretty mucked up early on... but look at the rest...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=8416

Aside from the debacle at SD, the QBR down the stretch looks pretty consistent... not consistently fantastic, but not too shabby either.

QBs with better personnel and coaching around them will generally be better with consistency, no?

Let's look at Matt Ryan.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=11237

Some good games mixed with some 60's and 70's.... is that consistent?

Interesting post. Just for fun I decided to see how other QBs did against Seattle and found that Smith did better than the other guys in rating. Also looked at all the top QBs and Rogers seems to be the most consistent after P Manning and Brady. They both had off games as well, but fewer than others. I did not look at all QBs but just the guys I consider to be among the best. Almost all of them had four or more games below a 70 rating. I wonder how they would have done playing for the 9ers?

Let me guess, you looked at other QBs stats against Seattle IN Seattle? And used Smith's stats at Candlestick?

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Aside from a few cherry-picked, elite QBs... who the heck IS truly consistent?

Just look at Drew Brees' season game to game... go ahead.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=2580

Some really nice QBRs, sure... but there are 70's and 60's mixed in also. Is that the definition of consistent. We can say he has been more consistent... maybe... as clearly Raye had Alex and that offense pretty mucked up early on... but look at the rest...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=8416

Aside from the debacle at SD, the QBR down the stretch looks pretty consistent... not consistently fantastic, but not too shabby either.

QBs with better personnel and coaching around them will generally be better with consistency, no?

Let's look at Matt Ryan.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=11237

Some good games mixed with some 60's and 70's.... is that consistent?

Interesting post. Just for fun I decided to see how other QBs did against Seattle and found that Smith did better than the other guys in rating. Also looked at all the top QBs and Rogers seems to be the most consistent after P Manning and Brady. They both had off games as well, but fewer than others. I did not look at all QBs but just the guys I consider to be among the best. Almost all of them had four or more games below a 70 rating. I wonder how they would have done playing for the 9ers?

Let me guess, you looked at other QBs stats against Seattle IN Seattle? And used Smith's stats at Candlestick?

Actually, I looked at stats against Seattle period. Did not think to cherry pick, but thanks for the idea.

Edit: It's interesting that Smith's bad games were all against playoff teams except for SD, who was pretty good. And yet many say he plays poorly against bad teams. Seattle is the only team that fits in that category and Smith had his worst game and best game against them. The first game of the year when he had to call time outs to get a plays from Raye. The lowest rating against a bad team? 87...not steller but not bad.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Aside from a few cherry-picked, elite QBs... who the heck IS truly consistent?

Just look at Drew Brees' season game to game... go ahead.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=2580

Some really nice QBRs, sure... but there are 70's and 60's mixed in also. Is that the definition of consistent. We can say he has been more consistent... maybe... as clearly Raye had Alex and that offense pretty mucked up early on... but look at the rest...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=8416

Aside from the debacle at SD, the QBR down the stretch looks pretty consistent... not consistently fantastic, but not too shabby either.

QBs with better personnel and coaching around them will generally be better with consistency, no?

Let's look at Matt Ryan.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=11237

Some good games mixed with some 60's and 70's.... is that consistent?

Interesting post. Just for fun I decided to see how other QBs did against Seattle and found that Smith did better than the other guys in rating. Also looked at all the top QBs and Rogers seems to be the most consistent after P Manning and Brady. They both had off games as well, but fewer than others. I did not look at all QBs but just the guys I consider to be among the best. Almost all of them had four or more games below a 70 rating. I wonder how they would have done playing for the 9ers?

Let me guess, you looked at other QBs stats against Seattle IN Seattle? And used Smith's stats at Candlestick?

Actually, I looked at stats against Seattle period. Did not think to cherry pick, but thanks for the idea.

Home or away? B/c you know the classic Alex supporter argument 'you can't compare Alex to these other good QBs because of the different variables'

I suggest you compare all the stats IN Seattle and then another one for at home.

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by oldman9er:
Aside from a few cherry-picked, elite QBs... who the heck IS truly consistent?

Just look at Drew Brees' season game to game... go ahead.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=2580

Some really nice QBRs, sure... but there are 70's and 60's mixed in also. Is that the definition of consistent. We can say he has been more consistent... maybe... as clearly Raye had Alex and that offense pretty mucked up early on... but look at the rest...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=8416

Aside from the debacle at SD, the QBR down the stretch looks pretty consistent... not consistently fantastic, but not too shabby either.

QBs with better personnel and coaching around them will generally be better with consistency, no?

Let's look at Matt Ryan.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/gamelog?playerId=11237

Some good games mixed with some 60's and 70's.... is that consistent?

Interesting post. Just for fun I decided to see how other QBs did against Seattle and found that Smith did better than the other guys in rating. Also looked at all the top QBs and Rogers seems to be the most consistent after P Manning and Brady. They both had off games as well, but fewer than others. I did not look at all QBs but just the guys I consider to be among the best. Almost all of them had four or more games below a 70 rating. I wonder how they would have done playing for the 9ers?

Let me guess, you looked at other QBs stats against Seattle IN Seattle? And used Smith's stats at Candlestick?

Actually, I looked at stats against Seattle period. Did not think to cherry pick, but thanks for the idea.

Home or away? B/c you know the classic Alex supporter argument 'you can't compare Alex to these other good QBs because of the different variables'

I suggest you compare all the stats IN Seattle and then another one for at home.

Just did so and edited my post above. Rating in the 50s in Seattle when Raye couldn't figure out what play to call and Seattle was stoked. Still, point taken.

i wonder how many of the voters actually saw bono and grbac play?

Smith's Ratings versus good/bad teams and home or @

Bad Teams (50% or -) w/Record (W/L)
Seattle@ 52.2 (7-9)
Oakland 87.4 (8-8)
Carolina@ 87.4 (2-14)
Seattle 130.9 (7-9)
StLouis@ 91 (7-9)
Arizona 107.8 (5-11)

Good Teams (above 50%)
NO 82.2 (11-5)
KC@ 68.8 (10-6)
Atlanta@ 65.6 (13-3)
PHI 92.8 (10-6)
SD@ 66 (9-7)

Just wanted to see what this would look like, not meant as argument or proof of anything...other than the fact that I'm trying to delay doing my taxes!

Originally posted by Allx9er:
i wonder how many of the voters actually saw bono and grbac play?

None. I don't think they even saw Joe or Steve play either. 9ers have had over 2 decades of good/elite QB play..you'd think fans would know what good QB play is.

I wonder how many of you saw Steve Young play in the years prior to having a good team and good coaching around him.

Some here would have been the fans that cursed Young and said he would never become a good QB. Oooops.

Originally posted by oldman9er:
I wonder how many of you saw Steve Young play in the years prior to having a good team and good coaching around him.

Some here would have been the fans that cursed Young and said he would never become a good QB. Oooops.

There you go again comparing Alex to Steve.

I can tell you one thing. If Steve looked like Alex with Alex's weapons for 6 years? I'd think he was a bad QB.

Comparing Alex to Steve is blasphemous...I don't care what point you're trying to make..you lose all credibility.