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Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Owens81Owns:
Originally posted by Niners99:
I like how everyone forgot how much of a beast Fred Beasley was for us.

Not even close to the player Rathman was.

oh really? how so.

Rathman
att yards ave lng TD rec yards ave lng TD fmb fmb lost
544 2,020 3.7 35 26 320 2,684 8.4 36 8 3 1

Beasley
att yards ave lng TD rec yards ave lng TD fmb fmb lost
183 610 3.3 44 8 133 1,017 7.6 34 5 3 3

lol offensive stats? offensive stats mean nothing. FB's block. Beasley was hardly ever handed the ball. why? because he was an all-pro run blocker. in his prime he was the strongest, meanest, toughest run blocker in the NFL. i remember so many replays of him just lighting guys up clearing lanes.

you act like Rathman was some kind of chump when it came to blocking. Sorry but Rathman>>>>the rest. go watch some old tape and learn wtf you're talking about because you sir are confused.

when did i say Rathman was a chump? you guys pay way too much attention to offensive stats. William Floyd is getting more votes than Beasley, which is hilarious. Rathman in his prime was never considered all-pro.

What is hilarious is you saying that Beasley is better than Rathman. Floyd gained the popularity of the fans(trust me I know, he is one of my favorite players). Nobody is disregarding what Beasley did for us. Beastly was the man but he was not better than Rathman.

based on what though? throw offensive stats away. the position of FB is a blocking position. if your argument is Rathman was a better offensive player than Beasley, i agree. but as a FB, which is a blocking specialist, Beasley was better. at no point in Rathman's career was he considered all-pro caliber. Beasley was the best FB in the NFL for a stretch of time.

every time i explain that, the only counter is "dude he wasnt better than Rathman". based on what. Beasley was a pro bowler, and all-pro, and was widely considered the best at what he did for a time. Rathman cant say that.

sorry but the FB position in the WCO is not just about blocking. You have to be a complete back to be a FB in the WCO. I can do the same thing you are as well. Get rid of the though of blocking because I want to play your (bend things to go my way game, Even though Rathman was a solid blocker.) Now who is better still? Ohhhh it's Rathman!!! No matter what way you bend or twist it Rathman will always come out on top. To quote the great Mike Singletary "Sorry but you PHail!"

hm, yeah not so much. you still failed to provide a reason why Rathman was better. Beasley was a 2 time all-pro. Rathman wasnt. Beasley was a top 2-3 FB for several years. Rathman wasnt.

Rathman had a better full overall career, but from about 2000-2003 Fred Beasley was the best weve had in a long time. shame that nobody remembers that.

I've already provided a reason why Rathman was better. You chose to ignore it.




at 1:30 amazing have that game on tape Jerry's 100th td
at 2:20 I was at that game

Rathman was better
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Allx9er:
Originally posted by Niners99:
I like how everyone forgot how much of a beast Fred Beasley was for us.

played with the Niners 8 seasons, same as Rathman, but was twice all-pro at FB. was widely considered the best blocking FB in the NFL for several years.

Fred Beasley is the best FB the Niners have had in the last 30 years, no question. everyone is just saying Rathman because he was there in the glory days.

idk... i just think floyd caught the media wave dont get me wrong he was a great fb in the system. i just think 44 set the standard

everyone is basing their Rathman love on some weird legacy. he scored alot for a FB, but most guys would have in the Walsh system.

People love Rathman because he was an old time 49er. he was a big tough guy who did the dirty work for the WCO scheme. i get that, and i agree Rathman was a great Niner, and a very good player. plus being a coach on the staff so many years has made him more popular.

But if you remember back to the late 90's/early 00's when Fred Beasley was here, he was ELITE. there was a span of time from around 2000-2003 where he was considered the very best at what he did in the NFL. he was a 2 time all-pro. he was a big part of the reason Garrison Hearst was so great for us.

honestly this list of players is an easy one. Its Montana, Gore, Beasley, Rice, Jones no question.

VD can pass up Jones if he keeps up this pace, but 2 years of being a top 5 TE isnt enough for me. VD puts up another couple seasons like he has been, he takes over that spot for sure, but right now its still Jones.

I appreciated Beasley but simply dont agree. Rathman's receiving and ball running skills were better. No knock on Fred but my vote goes to Tom
Originally posted by JerryRice1848:
From these players:

Pick who do you think would be starting out of these players

QB
Joe Montana
Steve Young
Jeff Garcia
John Brodie

HB
Frankie Gore
Garrison Hearst
Roger Craig

FB
Fred Beasley
William Floyd
Tom Rathman
Roger Craig

WR
Jerry Rice
Terrell Owens

Dwight Clark
John Taylor
J.J. Stokes
Mike Wilson

TE
Brent Jones
Vernon Davis
Eric Johnson
Greg Clark
Russ Francis

This would be fun to watch . . .
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Owens81Owns:
Originally posted by Niners99:
I like how everyone forgot how much of a beast Fred Beasley was for us.

Not even close to the player Rathman was.

oh really? how so.

Rathman
att yards ave lng TD rec yards ave lng TD fmb fmb lost
544 2,020 3.7 35 26 320 2,684 8.4 36 8 3 1

Beasley
att yards ave lng TD rec yards ave lng TD fmb fmb lost
183 610 3.3 44 8 133 1,017 7.6 34 5 3 3

lol offensive stats? offensive stats mean nothing. FB's block. Beasley was hardly ever handed the ball. why? because he was an all-pro run blocker. in his prime he was the strongest, meanest, toughest run blocker in the NFL. i remember so many replays of him just lighting guys up clearing lanes.

you act like Rathman was some kind of chump when it came to blocking. Sorry but Rathman>>>>the rest. go watch some old tape and learn wtf you're talking about because you sir are confused.

when did i say Rathman was a chump? you guys pay way too much attention to offensive stats. William Floyd is getting more votes than Beasley, which is hilarious. Rathman in his prime was never considered all-pro.

What is hilarious is you saying that Beasley is better than Rathman. Floyd gained the popularity of the fans(trust me I know, he is one of my favorite players). Nobody is disregarding what Beasley did for us. Beastly was the man but he was not better than Rathman.

based on what though? throw offensive stats away. the position of FB is a blocking position. if your argument is Rathman was a better offensive player than Beasley, i agree. but as a FB, which is a blocking specialist, Beasley was better. at no point in Rathman's career was he considered all-pro caliber. Beasley was the best FB in the NFL for a stretch of time.

every time i explain that, the only counter is "dude he wasnt better than Rathman". based on what. Beasley was a pro bowler, and all-pro, and was widely considered the best at what he did for a time. Rathman cant say that.


Beasley was a Pro-Bowler for one season and 2nd team All-Pro for 2 seasons. He was a fine fullback. I don't think Rathman was better because he helped us to two of the five Lombardi's. The FB position in the WCO that Rathman played in needed a player that could block and catch and Rathman was a near perfect fit.

I think if Rathman and Beasley are on the same roster in 1988 then Rathman still wins the job. If they're on a roster with a power running system then it's probably Beasley.
Originally posted by JerryRice1848:
From these players:

Pick who do you think would be starting out of these players

QB
Steve Young

HB
Frankie Gore

FB
Tom Rathman

WR
Jerry Rice
Terrell Owens
John Taylor

TE
Brent Jones
Aside from William Floyd over Tom Rathman, why mess with perfection? And even that is a very close battle. T.O. "may" have been able to play second-fiddle to Rice but probably not for very long and Taylor was the perfect compliment to Rice. V.D. could give Jones a run for his money but Jones was more well-rounded and the guy had the best hands I've ever seen for a T.E. and he "never" had alligator arms no matter how much he was about to be blown up!

QB
Joe Montana

HB
Roger Craig

FB
William Floyd (absolutely best skill set all around, bar none; pre-injury and was as passionate as Ricky Watters was - kids played with FIRE)!

WR
Jerry Rice
John Taylor (great returner as well)

TE
Brent Jones

PS: You can really see the differences in gerenations here. Frank Gore over Roger Craig? Wow!

[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 1, 2011 at 09:41:29 ]
Originally posted by JerryRice1848:
From these players:

Pick who do you think would be starting out of these players

QB
Joe Montana
Steve Young
Jeff Garcia
John Brodie

HB
Frankie Gore
Garrison Hearst
Roger Craig
Ricky Watters ?
Hugh McElhenny ?

FB
Fred Beasley
William Floyd
Tom Rathman
Roger Craig

WR
Jerry Rice
Terrell Owens
Dwight Clark
John Taylor
J.J. Stokes
Mike Wilson
Gene Washington ?
Brandon Lloyd (2010 stats)

TE
Brent Jones
Vernon Davis
Eric Johnson
Greg Clark
Russ Francis

DL
BY
Stubb
Haley
J. Smith
Pierce Holt

LB
Willis
Plummer
Norton jr.
Spikes
Julian Peterson
Romanowski
Keena Turner
Ricky Jackson

DB
Lott
Mcdonald
Deion (1 yr.)
Hanks
Plummer
Eric Davis
Clements
Don Griffin
Parrish
Rod Woodson (1 yr.)
QB: Cody Pickett
RB: Derek Loville
WR: Rashaun Woods
WR: Derek Hamilton
TE:Terry Jones
QB
Steve Young


HB
Frank Gore


FB
Fred Beasley


WR
Jerry Rice
Terrell Owens


TE
Vernon Davis
Originally posted by valrod33:
QB
Steve Young


HB
Frank Gore


FB
Fred Beasley


WR
Jerry Rice
Terrell Owens


TE
Vernon Davis

Yep.
QB
Joe Montana

HB
Roger Craig

FB
Tom Rathman

WR
Jerry Rice
John Taylor

TE
Russ Francis
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Quote:
QB
Joe Montana


HB
Frankie Gore


FB
Tom Rathman


WR
Jerry Rice
Terrell Owens


TE
Vernon Davis

Yezzir!!!...
Didnt Craig play FB a few years? I'd roll with:

Montana
Craig at FB
Gore at RB
Rice
Owens
Jones (better fit than VD and likely not enough balls to go around)

I feel guilty leaving John Taylor and Vernon out but tough decisions had to be made .. lol
Originally posted by JerryRice1848:
From these players:

Pick who do you think would be starting out of these players

QB
Joe Montana
Steve Young
Jeff Garcia
John Brodie

HB
Frankie Gore
Garrison Hearst
Roger Craig

FB
Fred Beasley
William Floyd
Tom Rathman
Roger Craig

WR
Jerry Rice
Terrell Owens
Dwight Clark
John Taylor
J.J. Stokes
Mike Wilson

TE
Brent Jones
Vernon Davis
Eric Johnson
Greg Clark
Russ Francis
Montana, Craig, Rathman, Rice and Taylor, davis,
Let's play, "Which one of these doesn't belong?"

Answer: J.J. Stokes
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