Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Complicated. Very complicated.
For example, in Carolina he had an old veteran defense that either moved on or retired.
Outside that example, I haven't looked closely at the statistics.
However, total yardage allowed is not the only factor or even the best factor in determining the performance of a defense.
For example, our defense performed terribly this season, except against the run. Bad pass defense, poor tackling, poor pass rush, poor turnovers, poor discipline in general. Yet, we were middle of the pack in total yards because of our run defense, which we emphasized in our scheme.
You really need to have watched the games and followed the team in order to get a complete picture. You also need to have a good understanding of defensive schemes... coverages, gap assignments,... etc.
That said, there's nothing wrong with being worried. Those statistics do look bad.
We won't know for sure until we get to watch a couple seasons.
If you want something to help you feel a little better, it looks to me like we've got an experienced defensive coaching staff. Every position coach has been a defensive coordinator or head coach. If Fangio or anyone else is doing something that is hurting the team, there will be many experienced minds to point it out to Jim Harbaugh. I get the impression that people respect Jim Harbaugh. So, the problems will get fixed.
Greg Manusky on the other hand, had five years experience as a linebackers coach before we hired him as defensive coordinator. That's it... no other coaching experience.
We'll see how things work out. I'm excited about our potential on defense. Vic Fangio runs Dom Caper's scheme, but he also spent the four years before Stanford as "special assistant to head coach" with the Ravens... while Rex Ryan was running the defense for two of them. I'm sure he's learned some new tricks.
Good points, and I willingly admit that I am solely basing my judgment of Fangio on the statistics that well have now been widely scrutinized. I have never seen his defense play and am willing to consider that there are likely extenuating circumstances and reasons surrounding his track record.
Yes, it does assure me that we have several veteran coaches who could all possibly contribute ideas on how to better the team overall. I too hope that he's improved his capabilities as a defensive coordinators from his prior NFL stints. Where I differ is that I'm just not as optimistic about him.
I understand not jumping for joy about Fangio, but I think him along with Leavitt and Donatell have the makings of being a baller defensive staff.
The statistics around Fangio can be skewed for all sorts of reasons from HC influence to crappy talent, but at least he is known for a creative blitzing defense. I'd rather us lose the game by trying to attack the QB than lose the game playing prevent/base and watching the opponent march down the field and score in the final two minutes. Plus there are coaches like Capers and Bellicheck that have done amazing jobs with their second chances.
With Leavitt, he will bring intensity but more importantly he will bring fundamentals and a knowledge of the big picture. He has experience as a DC and will not only make sure the LB's are fundamentally sound but that they know the big picture of what the defense is trying to accomplish. Last year it looked like each defensive position group knew their job (except the secondary) but had no clue what any of the other defensive position groups were doing.
That doesn't cut it in today's league were things aren't always gonna go as planned. Players need to know where their help is coming from or have the ability to free lance and help out if a player slips. The top defenses in the league work as one cohesive unit, where ours looked like 4 different groups focusing only on their own responsibilities. There were countless times I saw players sitting in a soft zone with no one within 20 yards, and they just sat there taking themselves out of the play. It's crap, at least now we have a staff where almost each position coach has DC experience.
Manusky was okay, but his "mirror" defense idea seemed outdated. Top D's put their playmakers all around the field to make plays (ie: mathews, woodson, troy p.), not play base and hope one side is as good as the other, offenses exploited that.