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Stadium question for the people who live in SF

Originally posted by 9erB4Us:
Originally posted by cypherninja:
Here's two cents and a few paragraphs from a person born and raised in SF (although I am temporarily in Burlingame for about one more year).

Both the proposed SC and HP sites will require a lot of effort and time. Seems like SC is ahead because the plan has been approved by the city and the 49ers. HP will take a lot planning and major construction work through the efforts of SF, Lennar and the 49ers. Note that the 49ers aren't even at the discussion table for HP and a stadium does not really affect Lennar's presence in the area.

The monumental efforts to make HP viable are expensive, time consuming, technically/logistically complex and require luck/timeliness. The luck/timeliness will need to be provided by the SC site hitting financial and time obstacles. There is a lot of ground for HP to make up.

That said, I think the HP site CAN be a superior site to SC. It is planned to be an interesting mixed use development along one of SF's waterfronts. I think it can 'kinda' do for HP what at&t Park did for China Basin, which has corporate & industrial tenants that HP would not necessarily have. But, because of the time and need for infrastructure improvements at HP, SC is a better choice at this moment. It is simply ahead of the game. Still, if the HP stadium can be built, I think it would be worth it.

Actually, let me temper that with emotionally worth it, which goes for the SC site as well. I don't think stadiums anywhere are actually financially worth it. Also, parking and traffic issues plague most stadiums. at&t Park, Qwest Field and Oracle Arena are three of the better stadiums that I have been to that address this with proper levels of public transport and parking options. The newer Arizona stadium has a crappy parking lot issue. When I was there in 2009 (3 years old stadium at the time), that stadium couldn't check parking passes or collect money from people without passes. Also, it took me over 90 minutes to GET OUT of the PARKING LOT.

My point is troubles at any stadium site are pretty much a wash and it's really all about the timeliness of the projects. While I would rather the 49ers play in SF, it pains me to say that the SC site makes a lot more sense right now simply because they are ahead of the game. The only other 'realistic' options in SF is rebuilding Candlestick or Daly City's Cow Palace, but those are extremely far from likely.

One last opinion: I haven't seen an actual stadium design for HP. Most renderings I have seen are the SC Stadium pasted onto either the HP site or another SF waterfront site. I'm not crazy about the stadium design, but I think it makes more sense at the HP site. The "building/suite" portion could face a street while the opening of the stadium faces the bay. In SC, it looks really unbalanced and I am not sure if there is a view to take advantage of.

@ cypherninja...

You're Spot On! And Thank You.
You Being a Native San Franciscan, as I am, you also know that Lennar has spotted the Yorks $1 mil dollars to start the Hunters Point Stadium. As Gavin Newsom has said repeatedly, "all we need is the Yorks to say YES, and we can start building the next day." Because the residents of San Fancisco have voted a total of 3 Times for the the project to get started. There are No Hurdles in San Francisco, HP is shovel ready to go.


Um, you might want to re-read his post. See the bolded text above.

Thats kinda what I've been saying all along....LOL!!!

Dude, you know way down here in the boonies of SJ, we get the newspaper too...lol. It doesn't require being a Native San Franciscan to know the situation in SF any more than it takes a native Santa Claran to know the situation in SC.

If what you're saying is true and the shovels would go in the dirt tomorrow, then I would be 100% in support of the HP plan. I've been around long enough to know tho thats BS. Still, I hope thats true. If the Niners refocus their efforts on SF, nothing would make me happier than a waterfront stadium with a view of the SF skyline.

If what you're saying was REALLY true, why do you think the Yorks aren't jumping all over it? Is it just because they're mean? Do they just not like you native San Franciscans? Do they just not like to make money? Are they too cold at Candlestick?

Dude. The Yorks are about making money and coming up with a VIABLE project. If they could avoid all this public outcry, get the same stadium in a better location AND stay in SF....don't you think they'd be ALL OVER THAT!?!

....think about it.
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Jan 14, 2011 at 7:34 PM ]
Building the next day, my ass!
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Building the next day, my ass!

Exactly. Clearly, no experience with watching stadium plans in SF go up in flames.
in 2000 i went to a game and left in the fourth with about 7 min remaning as my wife was 6months pregnant and wanted to get a head start on the parking lot traffic..it really did take just over two hours to finnally hit the ramp on to the bay bridge..i live in vallejo about 42 miles away and was home in about 35 min...santa clara is about 60miles or so and i could get there in about 50 min. just do a sattlelite map of the new propossed area and you can see all the freeway access /680/280/101/880/237/238/85/87/bart/muni/train/bus/ with candle stick its two choices the one way out to the two ramps to 101 or go threw the neiborhood thinking you know a short cut and then you see no left turn after stadium event signs for really ever...not to mention the muddy parking in the cheap area cause it never seems to get dry and if it does and the wind picks up all the bbq taste crunchy from the dirt.. i have not been to a game in awhile whats the good parking up to 60 bucks now ?
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Building the next day, my ass!

Exactly. Clearly, no experience with watching stadium plans in SF go up in flames.

Stone & Marv49....
WE Are NEVER going to agree on this Issue! I'm NOT going to change Your Mind, and You SURELY ARE NOT GONNA CHANGE MY MIND...k?

Its more than obivious that you 2 are Partners in Crime, and both Worship at the alter of the all Mighty Stadium in the Suburbs...so Have at it.

And Pst...Marv, read cypherninja's last paragraph -

"One last opinion: I haven't seen an actual design for HP. Most renderings I have seen are SC Stadium pasted onto either the HP site, or another SF waterfront site. I'm Not crazy about the stadium design, BUT IT MAKES MORE SENSE AT THE HP SITE. The "building/suite" portion could face a street while the opening of the Stadium faces the bay. In SC, it looks unbalanced and I am not sure if there is a view to take advantage of."

So Stoney & Marvin49, the unofficial Spokepeople for the The Suburban Stadium...
[ Edited by 9erB4Us on Jan 14, 2011 at 9:06 PM ]
Originally posted by 9erB4Us:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Building the next day, my ass!

Exactly. Clearly, no experience with watching stadium plans in SF go up in flames.

Stone & Marv49....
WE Are NEVER going to agree on this Issue! I'm NOT going to change Your Mind, and You SURELY ARE NOT GONNA CHANGE MY MIND...k?

Its more than obivious that you 2 are Partners in Crime, and both Worship at the alter of the all Mighty Stadium in the Suburbs...so Have at it.

And Pst...Marv, read cypherninja's last paragraph -

"One last opinion: I haven't seen an actual design for HP. Most renderings I have seen are SC Stadium pasted onto either the HP site, or another SF waterfront site. I'm Not crazy about the stadium design, BUT IT MAKES MORE SENSE AT THE HP SITE. The "building/suite" portion could face a street while the opening of the Stadium faces the bay. In SC, it looks unbalanced and I am not sure if there is a view to take advantage of."

So Stoney & Marvin49, the unofficial Spokepeople for the The Suburban Stadium...

LOL..."Partners in crime". OK. Whatever. It couldn't be that maybe we're RIGHT. Moving on.

Lets see if I can make this clear enough for you to understand. I WANT THE STADIUM TO BE BUILT AT HP. I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT ALL ALONG. I JUST DON'T THINK ITS FEASABLE.

Is that simple enough for you? Cut the "Worship at the alter of the all Mighty Stadium in the Suburbs" crap. You think it sounds funny, but its just a complete misrepresentaion of what I'm saying. Argue with what I'm saying if you must, don't just make stuff up.

I think YOU need to reread that last paragraph. He's not talking about the entire project, he's talking about the design of the stadium. He's saying the DESIGN makes more sense if there is a view. You're SERIOUSLY reaching to make him agree with you....LOL!! Read the ENTIRE bolded section, not just "BUT IT MAKES MORE SENSE AT THE HP SITE".

Its called Reading Comprehension. Maybe THATS why you keep insisting I'm saying something I'm not. ;-)

At this point I'd like to apologize to cypherninja. I don't think he intended us to be arguing about what his true message was...LOL!!
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Jan 14, 2011 at 9:21 PM ]
Meaning???? That 2 people can read 1 Post differently?...I think cypher was very Pro-SF Stadium Site. After all he IS from San Francisco.
[ Edited by 9erB4Us on Jan 14, 2011 at 10:39 PM ]
Originally posted by 9erB4Us:
Meaning???? That 2 people can read 1 Post differently?...I think cypher was very Pro-SF Stadium Site. After all he IS from San Francisco.

Wow. Just....I Mean....WOW.

You really are delusional. He was pro SF stadium, but thought the SC stadium was more realistic. I think he said that quite clearly and also happens to be pretty much what I've said all along.

I think you're the one with the Reading Comprehension problem.

I'm done whit'cha now. Peace.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by 9erB4Us:
Meaning???? That 2 people can read 1 Post differently?...I think cypher was very Pro-SF Stadium Site. After all he IS from San Francisco.

Wow. Just....I Mean....WOW.

You really are delusional. He was pro SF stadium, but thought the SC stadium was more realistic. I think he said that quite clearly and also happens to be pretty much what I've said all along.

I think you're the one with the Reading Comprehension problem.

I'm done whit'cha now. Peace.

Yeah, right back at cha dude...when you can't refute individuals, you dismiss them, or infer that they can't understand what they just read... Since we both know where we both stand on this issue... I see it as futile to respond to each others comments...BUH-BYE and...

Adios Marvin
[ Edited by 9erB4Us on Jan 15, 2011 at 12:22 AM ]
Am I the only person who thinks the OP was asking a question to Bay Area/Norcal Residents and not "people who live in SF"

When 9b4Us argues his case he points out he's a resident of SF... or that he's been watching since the Kezar days... even his handle comes across conceited.

9b4Us... I would like you to know that I am happy for you. Congratulations.
Originally posted by modninerfan:
Am I the only person who thinks the OP was asking a question to Bay Area/Norcal Residents and not "people who live in SF"

When 9b4Us argues his case he points out he's a resident of SF... or that he's been watching since the Kezar days... even his handle comes across conceited.

9b4Us... I would like you to know that I am happy for you. Congratulations.

Yawn....ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

*from one 49er Fan to another so called 49er Fan...
so sorry that I offended u with my "handle," I dropped "s" (9ers-B4-Us) when I registered for the 49ers WebZone. Thanks for the personal attack tho..

Adios...modninerfan
[ Edited by 9erB4Us on Jan 15, 2011 at 4:58 PM ]
Originally posted by modninerfan:
Am I the only person who thinks the OP was asking a question to Bay Area/Norcal Residents and not "people who live in SF"

When 9b4Us argues his case he points out he's a resident of SF... or that he's been watching since the Kezar days... even his handle comes across conceited.

9b4Us... I would like you to know that I am happy for you. Congratulations.

No. You're not the only person.
Originally posted by 9erB4Us:
Originally posted by modninerfan:
Am I the only person who thinks the OP was asking a question to Bay Area/Norcal Residents and not "people who live in SF"

When 9b4Us argues his case he points out he's a resident of SF... or that he's been watching since the Kezar days... even his handle comes across conceited.

9b4Us... I would like you to know that I am happy for you. Congratulations.

Yawn....ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

*from one 49er Fan to another so called 49er Fan...
so sorry that I offended u with my "handle," I dropped "s" (9ers-B4-Us) when I registered for the 49ers WebZone. Thanks for the personal attack tho..

Adios...modninerfan

pointing out that your message comes across conceited is not a personal attack.
Originally posted by modninerfan:
Originally posted by 9erB4Us:
Originally posted by modninerfan:
Am I the only person who thinks the OP was asking a question to Bay Area/Norcal Residents and not "people who live in SF"

When 9b4Us argues his case he points out he's a resident of SF... or that he's been watching since the Kezar days... even his handle comes across conceited.

9b4Us... I would like you to know that I am happy for you. Congratulations.

Yawn....ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

*from one 49er Fan to another so called 49er Fan...
so sorry that I offended u with my "handle," I dropped "s" (9ers-B4-Us) when I registered for the 49ers WebZone. Thanks for the personal attack tho..

Adios...modninerfan

pointing out that your message comes across conceited is not a personal attack.

Don't bother. I've been arguing with that guy for the past few days. All he does is misrepresent what you say and then misrepresent what OTHER people say in a feeble attempt to be "right". He'll say he doesn't want tp argue and then layout a 10 point post on how you're wrong. LOL!!

Then he will say that we "have an agenda" when its pretty clear he's the one with an agenda.

Anyway, its a pointless endeavor. Don't waste your time arguing with him. I've already wasted too much of my own.
[ Edited by Marvin49 on Jan 15, 2011 at 6:30 PM ]
Originally posted by modninerfan:
Am I the only person who thinks the OP was asking a question to Bay Area/Norcal Residents and not "people who live in SF"

When 9b4Us argues his case he points out he's a resident of SF... or that he's been watching since the Kezar days... even his handle comes across conceited.

9b4Us... I would like you to know that I am happy for you. Congratulations.

Look Einstein...

1st - The Subject from the OP is "SUBJECT: QUESTION FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN SF"

2nd - You said, "EVEN HIS HANDLE COMES ACROSS CONCEITED" you were not talking about my message, you were personally attacking me....

3rd - I wasn't talking to YOU...period

Either you need Lens Crafters, Can't Comprehend Good English, Or You Are On Crack...Or possibly All Three.

I can see there is a MOB Mentality on this Thread, in other words if you ain't down with the Suburban Stadium, You are Attacked...
I Guess that saying is true, "Haters are Gonna Hate"
[ Edited by 9erB4Us on Jan 15, 2011 at 7:24 PM ]