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Playoff teams doing what 49ers don't....

With the playoff games this weekend, it has been a chance for me to watch the premiere teams with as much interest as i typically do the 49ers. WOW, it is so obvious what these other teams are able to do that the 49ers didn't/couldn't do.

The point of this post is to discuss specifics about the differences you see in these teams performances - as an indicator of what we need to improve to become a "real" NFL caliber team. (please don't bother posting the obvious one line post "better coaching", "no alex smith at qb", etc.

Here are a couple of things that have jumped out at me during the games so far:

1. QBs looking off and moving coverages - it is painfully obvious that all these playoff teams QBs know how to look one way (and then sometimes even another way) to move coverages off their targets. The 49er QBs almost never did this. They kept their vision into one area of the field.

2. Interior OLine play - all of the teams I've seen so far are very good at controlling the Guard-Center-Guard space, whether is opening interior holes or setting the passing pocket. There is very little immediate pressure coming up the middle or outside until after at least 2-3 seconds.

3. Route combinations - it seems like the pass route combinations work better together. I can't count the number of times our offense ran several receivers into the same area, which just created a crowd of defenders.

4. Screen game - all the teams seem to have very effective screen games, and their "outlet" routes to RBs is simply a check down, but puts the RB in a place with a lot of space to run. It is almost like a hi-bred outlet/screen scheme.

All that said, it is clear that these other coaching staff a were just head and shoulders above ours in terms of scheme and game planning. To me, we really need to move our OL, WR, and RB coaching into the modern era. Harbaugh weeks like the right guy to do it.

What else are you guys noticing??
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Originally posted by HearstFan:
With the playoff games this weekend, it has been a chance for me to watch the premiere teams with as much interest as i typically do the 49ers. WOW, it is so obvious what these other teams are able to do that the 49ers didn't/couldn't do.

The point of this post is to discuss specifics about the differences you see in these teams performances - as an indicator of what we need to improve to become a "real" NFL caliber team. (please don't bother posting the obvious one line post "better coaching", "no alex smith at qb", etc.

Here are a couple of things that have jumped out at me during the games so far:

1. QBs looking off and moving coverages - it is painfully obvious that all these playoff teams QBs know how to look one way (and then sometimes even another way) to move coverages off their targets. The 49er QBs almost never did this. They kept their vision into one area of the field.

2. Interior OLine play - all of the teams I've seen so far are very good at controlling the Guard-Center-Guard space, whether is opening interior holes or setting the passing pocket. There is very little immediate pressure coming up the middle or outside until after at least 2-3 seconds.

3. Route combinations - it seems like the pass route combinations work better together. I can't count the number of times our offense ran several receivers into the same area, which just created a crowd of defenders.

4. Screen game - all the teams seem to have very effective screen games, and their "outlet" routes to RBs is simply a check down, but puts the RB in a place with a lot of space to run. It is almost like a hi-bred outlet/screen scheme.

All that said, it is clear that these other coaching staff a were just head and shoulders above ours in terms of scheme and game planning. To me, we really need to move our OL, WR, and RB coaching into the modern era. Harbaugh weeks like the right guy to do it.

What else are you guys noticing??

#2 is needed for #1 to happen. So you should be able to figure out why #1 hardly ever happened with the 9ers. How can you look off coverage when you only have 2-3 seconds to make a play. Again #2 is needed for #3 and #4 to happen. It's that simple.
Now that we have discussed the past is it possible to look forward to the future to care for the list of concerns brought up?
  • ZRF80
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A couple weeks ago, I was aching for the playoffs. Thank God that didnt happen. We are no where near the caliber of these current teams.........it starts with coaching, and trickles its way down to quarterback and execution of the playbook.

Here's to a new era of 49er football. A lot of analysts have said (this week) that the Niners do not necessarily have to go into rebuild mode. We are a QB and a couple defensive players from being competitive not only in the NFC West, but also in the league. NFL Network pointed out that a big reason our defense struggled this season is because our offense did a piss poor job in TOP and putting points on the board. If we can put up points, a rejuvenized defense can once again be top 10-15 in the league.

Cant wait for next season...........Harbaugh, please go out and get a viable QB and a good CB / rusher.

Regarding the screen pass. The offense have to sell it. It start with the offensive line, qb, rb. Seems like the defense can sniff it out before it even developed fully. We look half-ass, defenders ready to tackle the rb before he even got the ball.
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  • rob28
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Originally posted by ZRF80:
A couple weeks ago, I was aching for the playoffs. Thank God that didnt happen. We are no where near the caliber of these current teams.........it starts with coaching, and trickles its way down to quarterback and execution of the playbook.

Here's to a new era of 49er football. A lot of analysts have said (this week) that the Niners do not necessarily have to go into rebuild mode. We are a QB and a couple defensive players from being competitive not only in the NFC West, but also in the league. NFL Network pointed out that a big reason our defense struggled this season is because our offense did a piss poor job in TOP and putting points on the board. If we can put up points, a rejuvenized defense can once again be top 10-15 in the league.

Cant wait for next season...........Harbaugh, please go out and get a viable QB and a good CB / rusher.


i agree with this as long as we get a good VETERAN qb, not a rookie.
Originally posted by ZRF80:
A couple weeks ago, I was aching for the playoffs. Thank God that didnt happen. We are no where near the caliber of these current teams.........it starts with coaching, and trickles its way down to quarterback and execution of the playbook.

Here's to a new era of 49er football. A lot of analysts have said (this week) that the Niners do not necessarily have to go into rebuild mode. We are a QB and a couple defensive players from being competitive not only in the NFC West, but also in the league. NFL Network pointed out that a big reason our defense struggled this season is because our offense did a piss poor job in TOP and putting points on the board. If we can put up points, a rejuvenized defense can once again be top 10-15 in the league.

Cant wait for next season...........Harbaugh, please go out and get a viable QB and a good CB / rusher.


I was anti playoffs after we got off to an 0-4 start.
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Win games?
Make adjustments???

That was always my biggest gripe with the Singletary's regime. Once in a great while, the offense would start the game with an obvious intention. Once the team scored OR if the intention didn't work, they would revert to running up the middle. No adjustments to what the opposing defenses were doing.
Originally posted by ZRF80:
A couple weeks ago, I was aching for the playoffs. Thank God that didnt happen. We are no where near the caliber of these current teams.........it starts with coaching, and trickles its way down to quarterback and execution of the playbook.

Here's to a new era of 49er football. A lot of analysts have said (this week) that the Niners do not necessarily have to go into rebuild mode. We are a QB and a couple defensive players from being competitive not only in the NFC West, but also in the league. NFL Network pointed out that a big reason our defense struggled this season is because our offense did a piss poor job in TOP and putting points on the board. If we can put up points, a rejuvenized defense can once again be top 10-15 in the league.

Cant wait for next season...........Harbaugh, please go out and get a viable QB and a good CB / rusher.


Correct me if Im wrong but the Niners had the #13 defense already so thats in the 10-15 range ...Just Having Harbaugh SHOULD make the Niners favorites for the West (Not going to say that though cause of what happened this year) And we STILL DONT know what Harbaugh will do as an NFL HC till he coaches for a year or 2. So many people act as if the Niners just won a Superbowl cause they Hired J Harbaugh...
Originally posted by SashRoxx-1:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
A couple weeks ago, I was aching for the playoffs. Thank God that didnt happen. We are no where near the caliber of these current teams.........it starts with coaching, and trickles its way down to quarterback and execution of the playbook.

Here's to a new era of 49er football. A lot of analysts have said (this week) that the Niners do not necessarily have to go into rebuild mode. We are a QB and a couple defensive players from being competitive not only in the NFC West, but also in the league. NFL Network pointed out that a big reason our defense struggled this season is because our offense did a piss poor job in TOP and putting points on the board. If we can put up points, a rejuvenized defense can once again be top 10-15 in the league.

Cant wait for next season...........Harbaugh, please go out and get a viable QB and a good CB / rusher.


Correct me if Im wrong but the Niners had the #13 defense already so thats in the 10-15 range ...Just Having Harbaugh SHOULD make the Niners favorites for the West (Not going to say that though cause of what happened this year) And we STILL DONT know what Harbaugh will do as an NFL HC till he coaches for a year or 2. So many people act as if the Niners just won a Superbowl cause they Hired J Harbaugh...


Also, it seems some of forgotten about the CBA. If the owners/players drag their feet on signing a new deal, the team could have minimal time to install this new WCO and whatever type of defense a new DC would want. Normally, the team would have plenty of time to install this stuff with OTAs Training camp etc...

This team could easily look worse next year simply because they might not have the time they need to install the desired changes.
It really doesn't take major changes to win in the play-offs. I'm not being carefree about it, but it's not just the Seahawks eliminating the champs that gives me that belief.

There are major questions to be asked - but IF we get a QB that can avoid mistakes and is a proven winner - at any level - it can help a great deal.

A new coaching staff can hopefully be a coaching staff that identify what needs to improve as a season goes on, and at half time in individual games.

The NFC West actually still does ok for getting teams to the Superbowl - so it does show that anything can happen if you get to playoffs.

And we have had enough close defeats against a variety of opponents, that better coaching could have turned our way.

Harbaugh comes with no guarantees, but he does add some belief to the place.

And he is a HC (albeit at college level) which is more than Singletary ever was.
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