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What Veteran QB will Harbaugh get and why?

What Veteran QB will Harbaugh get and why?

Palmer or Mcnabb please.
I want Dennis Dixon and Josh Johnson
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by TheCatch:
Originally posted by Pick6:
wow this thing is still going...

We REALLY need a QB.

Big understatement. Take a look a Greenbay right now. They are at the point we were in 81. New up and coming star quarterback, with a young team with playmakers, and a coach that knows how to win. Look familiar? We need to get our hands on the next Joe Montana, Aaron Rodgers,Tom Brady etc. to compete for the championship, and I'm sure Harbaugh knows it. He's looking for a stand in right now, because this top five quarterback is nowhere to be found at this time.
But we don't have either Dwight Clark OR Freddie Solomon right now...and anyone that thinks Chilo Rachal is John Ayers is just as bad off as the guy that thinks Anthony Davis is Keith Fahnhorst.

C'mon dj we have more than enough talent on this offense to be a contender.
A contender in the NFC West, but not much beyond that.

No one would like to see this team win more than me but it appears some folks have some very inflated views of the talent on this team. The only decent players on offense are Gore, who is coming off a serious injury and has a lot of miles, and Vernon Davis, who is a big strong blocker with speed but who still doesn't know how to read a defense or run good routes.

The offensive line is filled with a bunch of underachievers who have shown nothing close to expectations, Iupati excepted, and the most important position, QB, is vacant at this time. We are all hoping that Harbaugh will turn a bunch of these guys into Pro Bowlers but that is not likely to happen. Things should definitely get better but I don't see any way this current roster is competitive outside the NFCW this season. I honestly think 7 wins this year will be the upper limit...and that assumes someone other than a rookie is playing QB. If it is a rookie then 6 wins is a dream season.

We are a contender now in the NFC West, if our QB's hadn't choked on more than half of the games this year we most likely would've won the division. And wow your criticism of Vernon Davis couldn't be more off, hes probably the best blocking TE in the league who was underutilized last year. Davis gets much separation on his routes, there's a reason he has been our best receiver the last two years. But like you said, the QB is the most important position and our offense goes as our QB does.
Davis gets separation on one route; a seam route when he has only a LB to beat underneath and a safety coming from the side. He wins that one most of the time. As to the typical curl and slant routes and blitz adjustments...not so well. The fact he has been the most productive receiver is more of a criticism of the weak crew of wide outs than his own prowess. That is his history. As to how he does in the future, I trust Harbaugh's staff will do a much better job than Pete Hoener.
Originally posted by tohara3:
I want Dennis Dixon and Josh Johnson

Johnson is intriguing because he was so successful with Harbaugh in college. It's always good to have a QB around who has run your system, if for no other reason than to help tutor other QBs. Didn't work so well with Martz and JTO, but usually helps.

Edit: This comment is deleted as it is in the wrong thread!

[ Edited by dtg_9er on Feb 11, 2011 at 07:23:27 ]
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by TheCatch:
Originally posted by Pick6:
wow this thing is still going...

We REALLY need a QB.

Big understatement. Take a look a Greenbay right now. They are at the point we were in 81. New up and coming star quarterback, with a young team with playmakers, and a coach that knows how to win. Look familiar? We need to get our hands on the next Joe Montana, Aaron Rodgers,Tom Brady etc. to compete for the championship, and I'm sure Harbaugh knows it. He's looking for a stand in right now, because this top five quarterback is nowhere to be found at this time.
But we don't have either Dwight Clark OR Freddie Solomon right now...and anyone that thinks Chilo Rachal is John Ayers is just as bad off as the guy that thinks Anthony Davis is Keith Fahnhorst.

C'mon dj we have more than enough talent on this offense to be a contender.
A contender in the NFC West, but not much beyond that.

No one would like to see this team win more than me but it appears some folks have some very inflated views of the talent on this team. The only decent players on offense are Gore, who is coming off a serious injury and has a lot of miles, and Vernon Davis, who is a big strong blocker with speed but who still doesn't know how to read a defense or run good routes.

The offensive line is filled with a bunch of underachievers who have shown nothing close to expectations, Iupati excepted, and the most important position, QB, is vacant at this time. We are all hoping that Harbaugh will turn a bunch of these guys into Pro Bowlers but that is not likely to happen. Things should definitely get better but I don't see any way this current roster is competitive outside the NFCW this season. I honestly think 7 wins this year will be the upper limit...and that assumes someone other than a rookie is playing QB. If it is a rookie then 6 wins is a dream season.

We are a contender now in the NFC West, if our QB's hadn't choked on more than half of the games this year we most likely would've won the division. And wow your criticism of Vernon Davis couldn't be more off, hes probably the best blocking TE in the league who was underutilized last year. Davis gets much separation on his routes, there's a reason he has been our best receiver the last two years. But like you said, the QB is the most important position and our offense goes as our QB does.
Davis gets separation on one route; a seam route when he has only a LB to beat underneath and a safety coming from the side. He wins that one most of the time. As to the typical curl and slant routes and blitz adjustments...not so well. The fact he has been the most productive receiver is more of a criticism of the weak crew of wide outs than his own prowess. That is his history. As to how he does in the future, I trust Harbaugh's staff will do a much better job than Pete Hoener.

VD is an interesting case for Harbaugh's O. It is TE friendly and Davis will have many opportunities to show what he can do. If he learns to read the D with the QB it will be an unbelievable year for him. Imagine VD cutting in front of the defender on a quick slant on blitz plays and then going the distance! Until now he usually has the pass hit him in the back because he hasn't been able to recognize when to turn around.

Walker seems much more able to separate and is one of my favorite players but he is injured often and does he fit in the Harbaugh O? His TEs block on the move and at the LOS, which VD does well but Walker not so much.

[ Edited by dtg_9er on Feb 11, 2011 at 07:12:40 ]
Originally posted by cuhran:
My First Choice Would Be To Try Getting Kolb By Trading A Draft Pick.

2nd Option Would Be To Sign A FA...Example: Orton Or Mcnabb, Draft Cam Newton If He's Available At 7th And Let Him Grow Under Mcnabb...I Would Not Take Any Other QB With Our 7th Pick. I Think All Other Qb's In The Draft Are 2nd Rounders, Mallet Is Good But Did Not Like How He Moved In The Pocket. If We Cant Get Newton @ 7 I Say We Go For a CB Or DE And Draft A QB Like Kellen Moore Or Blaine Gabbert In The 2nd Round..........

ditto........ Except that first statement. I believe Kolb is just another example of how good Andy Reid system is check Garcia, McNabb, Vick, and practically every QB he has coach the last 8 to 10 years.. Kolb is not a starting QB anywhere but Philly

[ Edited by D-NOTTE on Feb 11, 2011 at 07:16:52 ]
No one has made a convincing case that we should want Kolb over Alex Smith, even if Kolb was a FA where you wouldn't have to give up a valuable draft choice.

In his entire 4 year career, he has played in only 16 games, so he has little game experience. Although playing for one of the very best offensive oraganizations, he has put up less than steller numbers. This year alone, he played in 5 games:
Vs Wash 76.0 rating 1 TD 1 INT
Vs SF 103.3 1 0
Vs Atl 133.6 3 1
Vs Tenn 56.9 1 2
Vs Dal 37.0 1 3

Finished the year at 76.1 rating with 7 TDs and 7 INTs.

His record reminds you of JTO and Troy Smith: They started with a splash, then with a little film on them, they sink into putrid play.

So somebody show me why we would want to give up a 2nd round choice for him.
Why does it look like Alex is running scared on the 2011 Madden cover. Is he dropping back into his 12 step drop, running to his right to make a play and just when you think he might go for it, he throws the ball back the line of scrimmage at frank gore's feet.
Originally posted by jacklegniner:
Why does it look like Alex is running scared on the 2011 Madden cover. Is he dropping back into his 12 step drop, running to his right to make a play and just when you think he might go for it, he throws the ball back the line of scrimmage at frank gore's feet.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by TheCatch:
Originally posted by Pick6:
wow this thing is still going...

We REALLY need a QB.

Big understatement. Take a look a Greenbay right now. They are at the point we were in 81. New up and coming star quarterback, with a young team with playmakers, and a coach that knows how to win. Look familiar? We need to get our hands on the next Joe Montana, Aaron Rodgers,Tom Brady etc. to compete for the championship, and I'm sure Harbaugh knows it. He's looking for a stand in right now, because this top five quarterback is nowhere to be found at this time.
But we don't have either Dwight Clark OR Freddie Solomon right now...and anyone that thinks Chilo Rachal is John Ayers is just as bad off as the guy that thinks Anthony Davis is Keith Fahnhorst.

C'mon dj we have more than enough talent on this offense to be a contender.
A contender in the NFC West, but not much beyond that.

No one would like to see this team win more than me but it appears some folks have some very inflated views of the talent on this team. The only decent players on offense are Gore, who is coming off a serious injury and has a lot of miles, and Vernon Davis, who is a big strong blocker with speed but who still doesn't know how to read a defense or run good routes.

The offensive line is filled with a bunch of underachievers who have shown nothing close to expectations, Iupati excepted, and the most important position, QB, is vacant at this time. We are all hoping that Harbaugh will turn a bunch of these guys into Pro Bowlers but that is not likely to happen. Things should definitely get better but I don't see any way this current roster is competitive outside the NFCW this season. I honestly think 7 wins this year will be the upper limit...and that assumes someone other than a rookie is playing QB. If it is a rookie then 6 wins is a dream season.

We are a contender now in the NFC West, if our QB's hadn't choked on more than half of the games this year we most likely would've won the division. And wow your criticism of Vernon Davis couldn't be more off, hes probably the best blocking TE in the league who was underutilized last year. Davis gets much separation on his routes, there's a reason he has been our best receiver the last two years. But like you said, the QB is the most important position and our offense goes as our QB does.
Davis gets separation on one route; a seam route when he has only a LB to beat underneath and a safety coming from the side. He wins that one most of the time. As to the typical curl and slant routes and blitz adjustments...not so well. The fact he has been the most productive receiver is more of a criticism of the weak crew of wide outs than his own prowess. That is his history. As to how he does in the future, I trust Harbaugh's staff will do a much better job than Pete Hoener.

VD is an interesting case for Harbaugh's O. It is TE friendly and Davis will have many opportunities to show what he can do. If he learns to read the D with the QB it will be an unbelievable year for him. Imagine VD cutting in front of the defender on a quick slant on blitz plays and then going the distance! Until now he usually has the pass hit him in the back because he hasn't been able to recognize when to turn around.

Walker seems much more able to separate and is one of my favorite players but he is injured often and does he fit in the Harbaugh O? His TEs block on the move and at the LOS, which VD does well but Walker not so much.
I'm excited about what VD could be if he learns how to read and run correct routes.

Yes, Delanie Walker is a much better pass receiver than Davis. I believe he might be a very big surprise for a lot of folks next season. He is much better at running routes and reading defenses. He also seems to have better hands.

Ironically, the TEs are better than the WRs at this point.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by pigskin:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by TheCatch:
Originally posted by Pick6:
wow this thing is still going...

We REALLY need a QB.

Big understatement. Take a look a Greenbay right now. They are at the point we were in 81. New up and coming star quarterback, with a young team with playmakers, and a coach that knows how to win. Look familiar? We need to get our hands on the next Joe Montana, Aaron Rodgers,Tom Brady etc. to compete for the championship, and I'm sure Harbaugh knows it. He's looking for a stand in right now, because this top five quarterback is nowhere to be found at this time.
But we don't have either Dwight Clark OR Freddie Solomon right now...and anyone that thinks Chilo Rachal is John Ayers is just as bad off as the guy that thinks Anthony Davis is Keith Fahnhorst.

How did Clark and Solomon do before Montana played?

...

Exactly!

Actually, Freddie had pretty much the same game in Miami before coming to the 9ers. His best years were with the 9ers in 79 and 81. 1979 was before Montana became a starter. As far as Dwight Clark is concerned he came to the 9ers with Montana in 1979, so they grew up together as football players.

Edit: In 1979 DeBerg was Solomon's QB and in Miami he had a guy named Griese.

My point still stands. Why make Clark and Solomon into something special when they would not be without Montana?

Freddie was just OK and at in his last legs. I would say he had Montana, and not the other way around.

Clark was a slow footed possession receiver. Crab is a rocket compared to him. I am not saying he was not a good one, but again, Walsh and Montana were the main reason he did what he did. Look at how much better the next group of WRs did once he was done. John Taylor may be a better receiver, but got overshadowed by the great Jerry Rice.

VD, Crab and Morgan are a much better group than Clark and Solomon to me. Just gimme Walsh 2 and Montana 2!
Give me Alex Smith over any of these options for 2011, Fix the Oline and get a beast CB and Alex will take us to the next level
Originally posted by pigskin:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by pigskin:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by TheCatch:
Originally posted by Pick6:
wow this thing is still going...

We REALLY need a QB.

Big understatement. Take a look a Greenbay right now. They are at the point we were in 81. New up and coming star quarterback, with a young team with playmakers, and a coach that knows how to win. Look familiar? We need to get our hands on the next Joe Montana, Aaron Rodgers,Tom Brady etc. to compete for the championship, and I'm sure Harbaugh knows it. He's looking for a stand in right now, because this top five quarterback is nowhere to be found at this time.
But we don't have either Dwight Clark OR Freddie Solomon right now...and anyone that thinks Chilo Rachal is John Ayers is just as bad off as the guy that thinks Anthony Davis is Keith Fahnhorst.

How did Clark and Solomon do before Montana played?

...

Exactly!

Actually, Freddie had pretty much the same game in Miami before coming to the 9ers. His best years were with the 9ers in 79 and 81. 1979 was before Montana became a starter. As far as Dwight Clark is concerned he came to the 9ers with Montana in 1979, so they grew up together as football players.

Edit: In 1979 DeBerg was Solomon's QB and in Miami he had a guy named Griese.

My point still stands. Why make Clark and Solomon into something special when they would not be without Montana?

Freddie was just OK and at in his last legs. I would say he had Montana, and not the other way around.

Clark was a slow footed possession receiver. Crab is a rocket compared to him. I am not saying he was not a good one, but again, Walsh and Montana were the main reason he did what he did. Look at how much better the next group of WRs did once he was done. John Taylor may be a better receiver, but got overshadowed by the great Jerry Rice.

VD, Crab and Morgan are a much better group than Clark and Solomon to me. Just gimme Walsh 2 and Montana 2!

Oh my gosh! Where to start! VD, Crab, and Morgan better than Clark, Solomon and Charle Young? Don't think so! Solomon had virtually the same game with Miami through the eight years with the 9ers. Clark was a very crafty reciever who found the open spot and was totally in tune with the QB. Why was he totally in tune? Because he worked at it. Something Crabtree needs to learn. Be one with your QB...whoever he is. Charle Young was a very, very fine TE. He was a better receiver than VD and had a good all around game. They also had Eason Ramson playing both TE and RB who compares pretty well with Walker.

It's easy to belittle a guy with limited natural ability like Clark, but he was extremely intelligent when it came to playing the game. He came back to the ball better than any receiver I have seen. He recognized the D, when the QB was in trouble and adjusted accordingly. That takes as much skill and is more important than a 40 time.

Solomon drove me crazy because he did not come back to the ball or continue routes when the play went to heck. I saw him stop on a go route once when Montana scrambled and he just stood next to the DB on the sidelines watching. Walsh must have been going nuts!

[ Edited by dtg_9er on Feb 11, 2011 at 15:12:53 ]
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Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by TheCatch:
Originally posted by Pick6:
wow this thing is still going...

We REALLY need a QB.

Big understatement. Take a look a Greenbay right now. They are at the point we were in 81. New up and coming star quarterback, with a young team with playmakers, and a coach that knows how to win. Look familiar? We need to get our hands on the next Joe Montana, Aaron Rodgers,Tom Brady etc. to compete for the championship, and I'm sure Harbaugh knows it. He's looking for a stand in right now, because this top five quarterback is nowhere to be found at this time.
But we don't have either Dwight Clark OR Freddie Solomon right now...and anyone that thinks Chilo Rachal is John Ayers is just as bad off as the guy that thinks Anthony Davis is Keith Fahnhorst.

C'mon dj we have more than enough talent on this offense to be a contender.
A contender in the NFC West, but not much beyond that.

No one would like to see this team win more than me but it appears some folks have some very inflated views of the talent on this team. The only decent players on offense are Gore, who is coming off a serious injury and has a lot of miles, and Vernon Davis, who is a big strong blocker with speed but who still doesn't know how to read a defense or run good routes.

The offensive line is filled with a bunch of underachievers who have shown nothing close to expectations, Iupati excepted, and the most important position, QB, is vacant at this time. We are all hoping that Harbaugh will turn a bunch of these guys into Pro Bowlers but that is not likely to happen. Things should definitely get better but I don't see any way this current roster is competitive outside the NFCW this season. I honestly think 7 wins this year will be the upper limit...and that assumes someone other than a rookie is playing QB. If it is a rookie then 6 wins is a dream season.

We are a contender now in the NFC West, if our QB's hadn't choked on more than half of the games this year we most likely would've won the division. And wow your criticism of Vernon Davis couldn't be more off, hes probably the best blocking TE in the league who was underutilized last year. Davis gets much separation on his routes, there's a reason he has been our best receiver the last two years. But like you said, the QB is the most important position and our offense goes as our QB does.
Davis gets separation on one route; a seam route when he has only a LB to beat underneath and a safety coming from the side. He wins that one most of the time. As to the typical curl and slant routes and blitz adjustments...not so well. The fact he has been the most productive receiver is more of a criticism of the weak crew of wide outs than his own prowess. That is his history. As to how he does in the future, I trust Harbaugh's staff will do a much better job than Pete Hoener.

Since when is Davis asked to run a curl??? And I don't know why you question his slant routes, he does it with ease. But if you've been paying attention to VD this season or last, his main job was to create mismatches with his speed and find the soft spot in the zones. You're mistaking him as just a plain receiver, he doesn't fight off CB's at the LOS, hes a mismatch to LB and Safeties.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by TheCatch:
Originally posted by Pick6:
wow this thing is still going...

We REALLY need a QB.

Big understatement. Take a look a Greenbay right now. They are at the point we were in 81. New up and coming star quarterback, with a young team with playmakers, and a coach that knows how to win. Look familiar? We need to get our hands on the next Joe Montana, Aaron Rodgers,Tom Brady etc. to compete for the championship, and I'm sure Harbaugh knows it. He's looking for a stand in right now, because this top five quarterback is nowhere to be found at this time.
But we don't have either Dwight Clark OR Freddie Solomon right now...and anyone that thinks Chilo Rachal is John Ayers is just as bad off as the guy that thinks Anthony Davis is Keith Fahnhorst.

C'mon dj we have more than enough talent on this offense to be a contender.
A contender in the NFC West, but not much beyond that.

No one would like to see this team win more than me but it appears some folks have some very inflated views of the talent on this team. The only decent players on offense are Gore, who is coming off a serious injury and has a lot of miles, and Vernon Davis, who is a big strong blocker with speed but who still doesn't know how to read a defense or run good routes.

The offensive line is filled with a bunch of underachievers who have shown nothing close to expectations, Iupati excepted, and the most important position, QB, is vacant at this time. We are all hoping that Harbaugh will turn a bunch of these guys into Pro Bowlers but that is not likely to happen. Things should definitely get better but I don't see any way this current roster is competitive outside the NFCW this season. I honestly think 7 wins this year will be the upper limit...and that assumes someone other than a rookie is playing QB. If it is a rookie then 6 wins is a dream season.

We are a contender now in the NFC West, if our QB's hadn't choked on more than half of the games this year we most likely would've won the division. And wow your criticism of Vernon Davis couldn't be more off, hes probably the best blocking TE in the league who was underutilized last year. Davis gets much separation on his routes, there's a reason he has been our best receiver the last two years. But like you said, the QB is the most important position and our offense goes as our QB does.
Davis gets separation on one route; a seam route when he has only a LB to beat underneath and a safety coming from the side. He wins that one most of the time. As to the typical curl and slant routes and blitz adjustments...not so well. The fact he has been the most productive receiver is more of a criticism of the weak crew of wide outs than his own prowess. That is his history. As to how he does in the future, I trust Harbaugh's staff will do a much better job than Pete Hoener.

Since when is Davis asked to run a curl??? And I don't know why you question his slant routes, he does it with ease. But if you've been paying attention to VD this season or last, his main job was to create mismatches with his speed and find the soft spot in the zones. You're mistaking him as just a plain receiver, he doesn't fight off CB's at the LOS, hes a mismatch to LB and Safeties.

Yea dj43s hating on Davis is just another way of creating excuses for Alex Smith. Truth hurts.