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  • MarkD
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Originally posted by AJ_Larrea954:

Dont lose faith brother or hulka mania is gonna run wild on you!!
To be fair, Jim Harbaugh has a lot more behind him than any other college coaches that have tried to make the transition. His father was in the league and, of course, his brother is the Ravens coach. He has said he talks to John frequently and the bounce ideas back and forth. It has been reported that Jim wanted to be in the NFC so he would not have to compete with his brother - that sounds to me like he wants to maintain that confidante status with John.

So I don't want to sound like an over the top optimist but I think we can relax a bit as to Jim's qualifications.
Originally posted by dj43:
To be fair, Jim Harbaugh has a lot more behind him than any other college coaches that have tried to make the transition. His father was in the league and, of course, his brother is the Ravens coach. He has said he talks to John frequently and the bounce ideas back and forth. It has been reported that Jim wanted to be in the NFC so he would not have to compete with his brother - that sounds to me like he wants to maintain that confidante status with John.

So I don't want to sound like an over the top optimist but I think we can relax a bit as to Jim's qualifications.

At teh risk of turning this thread into another HC thread....

Do you or anyone here know anyhting about his assistant coaches? I'm sure it's been posted in that ginormous HC thread. But i'm a lil lazy to be sifting through that sucker.
Originally posted by dj43:
To be fair, Jim Harbaugh has a lot more behind him than any other college coaches that have tried to make the transition. His father was in the league and, of course, his brother is the Ravens coach. He has said he talks to John frequently and the bounce ideas back and forth. It has been reported that Jim wanted to be in the NFC so he would not have to compete with his brother - that sounds to me like he wants to maintain that confidante status with John.

So I don't want to sound like an over the top optimist but I think we can relax a bit as to Jim's qualifications.

He's much smarter and more innovative than John. It's not close. John should learn from him...
  • BobS
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"The Yorks destroyed this franchise, and they have also spent a great deal of money to try and right it as well."

Where have the Yorks spent money? The NFL mandates to spend 85% of the cap on players. They haven't spent a dime over what the league forces them to.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by dj43:
To be fair, Jim Harbaugh has a lot more behind him than any other college coaches that have tried to make the transition. His father was in the league and, of course, his brother is the Ravens coach. He has said he talks to John frequently and the bounce ideas back and forth. It has been reported that Jim wanted to be in the NFC so he would not have to compete with his brother - that sounds to me like he wants to maintain that confidante status with John.

So I don't want to sound like an over the top optimist but I think we can relax a bit as to Jim's qualifications.

He's much smarter and more innovative than John. It's not close. John should learn from him...

Thats the most positive thing I've read from you......or is that just sarcasm?
  • nooj
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Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by nooj:
Originally posted by mike49ersgo:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by mike49ersgo:
The Yorks destroyed this franchise, and they have also spent a great deal of money to try and right it as well. But to date they have not gotten right.

Lets review shall we:
Firing Mooch (Yorks)
Letting Bill Walsh go (Yorks)
Hiring Dennis Ercikson ( Yorks with Donahue) 50% Yorks
Mike Nolan (Yorks)
Scot McCoulghan (Yorks) For the record in my opinion this was not a disaster Hire
Firing Mike Martz: (Yorks: Jed and Singetary)
Mike Singletary (Yorks: Jed) Disaster

Now they have announced that Trent Baalke is the GM. Wow it takes my breath!! It is not that he is the anti Christ, he MAY be a good man, that works hard, hell he may even be good. But he is not proven, NEVER BEEN THERE NEVER DONE THAT!! He represents every thing that the Yorks continue to do. Inexperience: You did not even interview anyone

Lets say for sh*ts and grin's you get Harbaugh: Who is going to help him? He has no NFL head coaching experience, and their is long line of failed college coaches that were with NFL Franchises as dysfunctional as the niners: (Steve Suprier (Washington), Bobby Patrino (Atlanta), Nick Saben (Miami)) For those of you who are yelling at your computer screens (BILL WALSH, and Jimmy Johnson) well these two are exception especially Walsh who invented the west coast offense. Is Harbaugh that good, hope so but my guess is no.

Jed continues to make the same mistakes: bet on Inexperience, bet on one person to turn this ship around. In fact do not even interview anyone who is currently serving as an NFL executive. (Wow: Really).

Close your eyes and Imagine you are working for a company which has been floundering for years, and now it is on the verge of Bankruptcy, and the CEO announces that after a half hearted executive search there will be no changes in management, just the sales manager is now the executive VP. Does this inspire you?

I have seen 8 years of this show and I believe I know the outcome.

Quote:
Firing Mooch (Yorks)
Mooch and Donahue wasn't seeing eye to eye. One had to go. They stuck with the guy Bill Walsh himself handpicked. Thus, listening to a respected football guy everyone keeps wanting them to hire.

Quote:
Letting Bill Walsh go (Yorks)
Quote:
He returned to the 49ers in 1996 as a consultant, but the organization was in turmoil. DeBartolo was under a federal investigation into his pursuit of a riverboat casino license in Louisiana. Walsh clashed with team president Carmen Policy, personnel director Dwight Clark and some of the coaches. He felt he couldn't get anything done. Meanwhile, salary cap problems were building.

He left but came back two years later. Policy and Clark had left for the Cleveland Browns. Walsh helped extricate the team from its cap difficulty and get it through the ownership change from DeBartolo to his sister, Denise York, and her husband, Dr. John York. He had a strong influence in restocking the roster and signed Jeff Garcia, a former San Jose State quarterback then starring in Canada. His faith in Garcia would pay off; the quarterback was elected to the Pro Bowl three times with the 49ers.

Walsh turned the general manager's position over to Terry Donahue in 2001, but continued to serve as a consultant. This was a tragic time in his life. His mother died in 2002. A week later his son Steve, a KGO radio reporter, died of leukemia at the age of 46. His wife, Geri, was still enduring the debilitating effects of a stroke in 1998.

Quote:
Hiring Dennis Ercikson ( Yorks with Donahue) 50% Yorks
Dennis erickson wasn't as bad as people make him ot to be with us. 1st year we finished 7-9 and a kicker away from being ATLEAST 9-7 and in the playoffs. His 2nd year our roster was purged and we went 2-14 with what might as well has been replacement players.

Quote:
Mike Nolan (Yorks)
Only fault I give the Yorks here is giving Nolan full control. That never ever works in the NFL

Quote:
Scot McCoulghan (Yorks)
wasn't a bad move. Didn't turn out to be all that sporty either but.....

Quote:
Firing Mike Martz: (Yorks: Jed and Singetary)
This is all on Singletary. No one else. Yorks stepped back and let his coach make a coaching decision.

Quote:
Mike Singletary (Yorks: Jed) Disaster
Only fault, keeping him ATLEAST 8 weeks too long.


I'm not sitting here and acting like this is all sunshine and lollipops around here. But it's hardly the Yorks fault. Yes they made a couple bad hires at coaching but, what other options were there? Alot of people was excited about the hires we made at the HC position. It just didn't pan out.

Disagree slightly on Martz, because when Nolan hired him he was told by Jed, that he disagreed with the hire.

Can't tell who's saying what, but is someone actually defending the Yorks decsions (too many to count) and trying to deflect blame, and saying bulls**t like "Only fault I give the Yorks here is giving Nolan full control. That never ever works in the NFL."

Please stop.

That quote was in regards to the OP blaming the Yorks for Mike Nolan. What exactly would you blame the Yorks for as far as Mike Nolan goes?


I guess hiring him in the first place and giving him an insane amount of power was not enough?

How about waiting way too long to fire him. Lemme see, I also recall a lot of p***yfooting and the so-called "trigger" being passed around. People being promoted/demoted with nothing substantial happening.

Or is that only 50% Yorks, and 50% Jed's fault b/c Jed was somewhat callin' shots. Or was he? Who the hell knows? Accountability is spread so thin in this front office it makes me sick.
Originally posted by nooj:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by nooj:
Originally posted by mike49ersgo:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by mike49ersgo:
The Yorks destroyed this franchise, and they have also spent a great deal of money to try and right it as well. But to date they have not gotten right.

Lets review shall we:
Firing Mooch (Yorks)
Letting Bill Walsh go (Yorks)
Hiring Dennis Ercikson ( Yorks with Donahue) 50% Yorks
Mike Nolan (Yorks)
Scot McCoulghan (Yorks) For the record in my opinion this was not a disaster Hire
Firing Mike Martz: (Yorks: Jed and Singetary)
Mike Singletary (Yorks: Jed) Disaster

Now they have announced that Trent Baalke is the GM. Wow it takes my breath!! It is not that he is the anti Christ, he MAY be a good man, that works hard, hell he may even be good. But he is not proven, NEVER BEEN THERE NEVER DONE THAT!! He represents every thing that the Yorks continue to do. Inexperience: You did not even interview anyone

Lets say for sh*ts and grin's you get Harbaugh: Who is going to help him? He has no NFL head coaching experience, and their is long line of failed college coaches that were with NFL Franchises as dysfunctional as the niners: (Steve Suprier (Washington), Bobby Patrino (Atlanta), Nick Saben (Miami)) For those of you who are yelling at your computer screens (BILL WALSH, and Jimmy Johnson) well these two are exception especially Walsh who invented the west coast offense. Is Harbaugh that good, hope so but my guess is no.

Jed continues to make the same mistakes: bet on Inexperience, bet on one person to turn this ship around. In fact do not even interview anyone who is currently serving as an NFL executive. (Wow: Really).

Close your eyes and Imagine you are working for a company which has been floundering for years, and now it is on the verge of Bankruptcy, and the CEO announces that after a half hearted executive search there will be no changes in management, just the sales manager is now the executive VP. Does this inspire you?

I have seen 8 years of this show and I believe I know the outcome.

Quote:
Firing Mooch (Yorks)
Mooch and Donahue wasn't seeing eye to eye. One had to go. They stuck with the guy Bill Walsh himself handpicked. Thus, listening to a respected football guy everyone keeps wanting them to hire.

Quote:
Letting Bill Walsh go (Yorks)
Quote:
He returned to the 49ers in 1996 as a consultant, but the organization was in turmoil. DeBartolo was under a federal investigation into his pursuit of a riverboat casino license in Louisiana. Walsh clashed with team president Carmen Policy, personnel director Dwight Clark and some of the coaches. He felt he couldn't get anything done. Meanwhile, salary cap problems were building.

He left but came back two years later. Policy and Clark had left for the Cleveland Browns. Walsh helped extricate the team from its cap difficulty and get it through the ownership change from DeBartolo to his sister, Denise York, and her husband, Dr. John York. He had a strong influence in restocking the roster and signed Jeff Garcia, a former San Jose State quarterback then starring in Canada. His faith in Garcia would pay off; the quarterback was elected to the Pro Bowl three times with the 49ers.

Walsh turned the general manager's position over to Terry Donahue in 2001, but continued to serve as a consultant. This was a tragic time in his life. His mother died in 2002. A week later his son Steve, a KGO radio reporter, died of leukemia at the age of 46. His wife, Geri, was still enduring the debilitating effects of a stroke in 1998.

Quote:
Hiring Dennis Ercikson ( Yorks with Donahue) 50% Yorks
Dennis erickson wasn't as bad as people make him ot to be with us. 1st year we finished 7-9 and a kicker away from being ATLEAST 9-7 and in the playoffs. His 2nd year our roster was purged and we went 2-14 with what might as well has been replacement players.

Quote:
Mike Nolan (Yorks)
Only fault I give the Yorks here is giving Nolan full control. That never ever works in the NFL

Quote:
Scot McCoulghan (Yorks)
wasn't a bad move. Didn't turn out to be all that sporty either but.....

Quote:
Firing Mike Martz: (Yorks: Jed and Singetary)
This is all on Singletary. No one else. Yorks stepped back and let his coach make a coaching decision.

Quote:
Mike Singletary (Yorks: Jed) Disaster
Only fault, keeping him ATLEAST 8 weeks too long.


I'm not sitting here and acting like this is all sunshine and lollipops around here. But it's hardly the Yorks fault. Yes they made a couple bad hires at coaching but, what other options were there? Alot of people was excited about the hires we made at the HC position. It just didn't pan out.

Disagree slightly on Martz, because when Nolan hired him he was told by Jed, that he disagreed with the hire.

Can't tell who's saying what, but is someone actually defending the Yorks decsions (too many to count) and trying to deflect blame, and saying bulls**t like "Only fault I give the Yorks here is giving Nolan full control. That never ever works in the NFL."

Please stop.

That quote was in regards to the OP blaming the Yorks for Mike Nolan. What exactly would you blame the Yorks for as far as Mike Nolan goes?


I guess hiring him in the first place and giving him an insane amount of power was not enough?

How about waiting way too long to fire him. Lemme see, I also recall a lot of p***yfooting and the so-called "trigger" being passed around. People being promoted/demoted with nothing substantial happening.

Or is that only 50% Yorks, and 50% Jed's fault b/c Jed was somewhat callin' shots. Or was he? Who the hell knows? Accountability is spread so thin in this front office it makes me sick.

As I said giving him that much power is the only thing they did wrong in that situation. Yes the argument could be made that they waited too long to fire him. But they did strip him of some of that power first to see if he could handle jsut the coaching part. It didn't work and they fired him. Can you really blame them for that?
  • nooj
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Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by nooj:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by nooj:
Originally posted by mike49ersgo:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by mike49ersgo:
The Yorks destroyed this franchise, and they have also spent a great deal of money to try and right it as well. But to date they have not gotten right.

Lets review shall we:
Firing Mooch (Yorks)
Letting Bill Walsh go (Yorks)
Hiring Dennis Ercikson ( Yorks with Donahue) 50% Yorks
Mike Nolan (Yorks)
Scot McCoulghan (Yorks) For the record in my opinion this was not a disaster Hire
Firing Mike Martz: (Yorks: Jed and Singetary)
Mike Singletary (Yorks: Jed) Disaster

Now they have announced that Trent Baalke is the GM. Wow it takes my breath!! It is not that he is the anti Christ, he MAY be a good man, that works hard, hell he may even be good. But he is not proven, NEVER BEEN THERE NEVER DONE THAT!! He represents every thing that the Yorks continue to do. Inexperience: You did not even interview anyone

Lets say for sh*ts and grin's you get Harbaugh: Who is going to help him? He has no NFL head coaching experience, and their is long line of failed college coaches that were with NFL Franchises as dysfunctional as the niners: (Steve Suprier (Washington), Bobby Patrino (Atlanta), Nick Saben (Miami)) For those of you who are yelling at your computer screens (BILL WALSH, and Jimmy Johnson) well these two are exception especially Walsh who invented the west coast offense. Is Harbaugh that good, hope so but my guess is no.

Jed continues to make the same mistakes: bet on Inexperience, bet on one person to turn this ship around. In fact do not even interview anyone who is currently serving as an NFL executive. (Wow: Really).

Close your eyes and Imagine you are working for a company which has been floundering for years, and now it is on the verge of Bankruptcy, and the CEO announces that after a half hearted executive search there will be no changes in management, just the sales manager is now the executive VP. Does this inspire you?

I have seen 8 years of this show and I believe I know the outcome.

Quote:
Firing Mooch (Yorks)
Mooch and Donahue wasn't seeing eye to eye. One had to go. They stuck with the guy Bill Walsh himself handpicked. Thus, listening to a respected football guy everyone keeps wanting them to hire.

Quote:
Letting Bill Walsh go (Yorks)
Quote:
He returned to the 49ers in 1996 as a consultant, but the organization was in turmoil. DeBartolo was under a federal investigation into his pursuit of a riverboat casino license in Louisiana. Walsh clashed with team president Carmen Policy, personnel director Dwight Clark and some of the coaches. He felt he couldn't get anything done. Meanwhile, salary cap problems were building.

He left but came back two years later. Policy and Clark had left for the Cleveland Browns. Walsh helped extricate the team from its cap difficulty and get it through the ownership change from DeBartolo to his sister, Denise York, and her husband, Dr. John York. He had a strong influence in restocking the roster and signed Jeff Garcia, a former San Jose State quarterback then starring in Canada. His faith in Garcia would pay off; the quarterback was elected to the Pro Bowl three times with the 49ers.

Walsh turned the general manager's position over to Terry Donahue in 2001, but continued to serve as a consultant. This was a tragic time in his life. His mother died in 2002. A week later his son Steve, a KGO radio reporter, died of leukemia at the age of 46. His wife, Geri, was still enduring the debilitating effects of a stroke in 1998.

Quote:
Hiring Dennis Ercikson ( Yorks with Donahue) 50% Yorks
Dennis erickson wasn't as bad as people make him ot to be with us. 1st year we finished 7-9 and a kicker away from being ATLEAST 9-7 and in the playoffs. His 2nd year our roster was purged and we went 2-14 with what might as well has been replacement players.

Quote:
Mike Nolan (Yorks)
Only fault I give the Yorks here is giving Nolan full control. That never ever works in the NFL

Quote:
Scot McCoulghan (Yorks)
wasn't a bad move. Didn't turn out to be all that sporty either but.....

Quote:
Firing Mike Martz: (Yorks: Jed and Singetary)
This is all on Singletary. No one else. Yorks stepped back and let his coach make a coaching decision.

Quote:
Mike Singletary (Yorks: Jed) Disaster
Only fault, keeping him ATLEAST 8 weeks too long.


I'm not sitting here and acting like this is all sunshine and lollipops around here. But it's hardly the Yorks fault. Yes they made a couple bad hires at coaching but, what other options were there? Alot of people was excited about the hires we made at the HC position. It just didn't pan out.

Disagree slightly on Martz, because when Nolan hired him he was told by Jed, that he disagreed with the hire.

Can't tell who's saying what, but is someone actually defending the Yorks decsions (too many to count) and trying to deflect blame, and saying bulls**t like "Only fault I give the Yorks here is giving Nolan full control. That never ever works in the NFL."

Please stop.

That quote was in regards to the OP blaming the Yorks for Mike Nolan. What exactly would you blame the Yorks for as far as Mike Nolan goes?


I guess hiring him in the first place and giving him an insane amount of power was not enough?

How about waiting way too long to fire him. Lemme see, I also recall a lot of p***yfooting and the so-called "trigger" being passed around. People being promoted/demoted with nothing substantial happening.

Or is that only 50% Yorks, and 50% Jed's fault b/c Jed was somewhat callin' shots. Or was he? Who the hell knows? Accountability is spread so thin in this front office it makes me sick.

As I said giving him that much power is the only thing they did wrong in that situation. Yes the argument could be made that they waited too long to fire him. But they did strip him of some of that power first to see if he could handle jsut the coaching part. It didn't work and they fired him. Can you really blame them for that?

Are you being sarcastic or is that a legitimate question? If those mistakes don't fall on the owner, I guess no one is at fault. I guess the nightmare that was the Nolan/McCloughan/Singletary era just happened spontaneously and ownership had nothing to do with it.

Stripping Nolan and promoting McCloughan (giving him trigger or whatever) was clearly the only rational move at the time. I can't possibly fathom there being another option given those circumstances. Give me a break.
Originally posted by nooj:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by nooj:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by nooj:
Originally posted by mike49ersgo:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by mike49ersgo:
The Yorks destroyed this franchise, and they have also spent a great deal of money to try and right it as well. But to date they have not gotten right.

Lets review shall we:
Firing Mooch (Yorks)
Letting Bill Walsh go (Yorks)
Hiring Dennis Ercikson ( Yorks with Donahue) 50% Yorks
Mike Nolan (Yorks)
Scot McCoulghan (Yorks) For the record in my opinion this was not a disaster Hire
Firing Mike Martz: (Yorks: Jed and Singetary)
Mike Singletary (Yorks: Jed) Disaster

Now they have announced that Trent Baalke is the GM. Wow it takes my breath!! It is not that he is the anti Christ, he MAY be a good man, that works hard, hell he may even be good. But he is not proven, NEVER BEEN THERE NEVER DONE THAT!! He represents every thing that the Yorks continue to do. Inexperience: You did not even interview anyone

Lets say for sh*ts and grin's you get Harbaugh: Who is going to help him? He has no NFL head coaching experience, and their is long line of failed college coaches that were with NFL Franchises as dysfunctional as the niners: (Steve Suprier (Washington), Bobby Patrino (Atlanta), Nick Saben (Miami)) For those of you who are yelling at your computer screens (BILL WALSH, and Jimmy Johnson) well these two are exception especially Walsh who invented the west coast offense. Is Harbaugh that good, hope so but my guess is no.

Jed continues to make the same mistakes: bet on Inexperience, bet on one person to turn this ship around. In fact do not even interview anyone who is currently serving as an NFL executive. (Wow: Really).

Close your eyes and Imagine you are working for a company which has been floundering for years, and now it is on the verge of Bankruptcy, and the CEO announces that after a half hearted executive search there will be no changes in management, just the sales manager is now the executive VP. Does this inspire you?

I have seen 8 years of this show and I believe I know the outcome.

Quote:
Firing Mooch (Yorks)
Mooch and Donahue wasn't seeing eye to eye. One had to go. They stuck with the guy Bill Walsh himself handpicked. Thus, listening to a respected football guy everyone keeps wanting them to hire.

Quote:
Letting Bill Walsh go (Yorks)
Quote:
He returned to the 49ers in 1996 as a consultant, but the organization was in turmoil. DeBartolo was under a federal investigation into his pursuit of a riverboat casino license in Louisiana. Walsh clashed with team president Carmen Policy, personnel director Dwight Clark and some of the coaches. He felt he couldn't get anything done. Meanwhile, salary cap problems were building.

He left but came back two years later. Policy and Clark had left for the Cleveland Browns. Walsh helped extricate the team from its cap difficulty and get it through the ownership change from DeBartolo to his sister, Denise York, and her husband, Dr. John York. He had a strong influence in restocking the roster and signed Jeff Garcia, a former San Jose State quarterback then starring in Canada. His faith in Garcia would pay off; the quarterback was elected to the Pro Bowl three times with the 49ers.

Walsh turned the general manager's position over to Terry Donahue in 2001, but continued to serve as a consultant. This was a tragic time in his life. His mother died in 2002. A week later his son Steve, a KGO radio reporter, died of leukemia at the age of 46. His wife, Geri, was still enduring the debilitating effects of a stroke in 1998.

Quote:
Hiring Dennis Ercikson ( Yorks with Donahue) 50% Yorks
Dennis erickson wasn't as bad as people make him ot to be with us. 1st year we finished 7-9 and a kicker away from being ATLEAST 9-7 and in the playoffs. His 2nd year our roster was purged and we went 2-14 with what might as well has been replacement players.

Quote:
Mike Nolan (Yorks)
Only fault I give the Yorks here is giving Nolan full control. That never ever works in the NFL

Quote:
Scot McCoulghan (Yorks)
wasn't a bad move. Didn't turn out to be all that sporty either but.....

Quote:
Firing Mike Martz: (Yorks: Jed and Singetary)
This is all on Singletary. No one else. Yorks stepped back and let his coach make a coaching decision.

Quote:
Mike Singletary (Yorks: Jed) Disaster
Only fault, keeping him ATLEAST 8 weeks too long.


I'm not sitting here and acting like this is all sunshine and lollipops around here. But it's hardly the Yorks fault. Yes they made a couple bad hires at coaching but, what other options were there? Alot of people was excited about the hires we made at the HC position. It just didn't pan out.

Disagree slightly on Martz, because when Nolan hired him he was told by Jed, that he disagreed with the hire.

Can't tell who's saying what, but is someone actually defending the Yorks decsions (too many to count) and trying to deflect blame, and saying bulls**t like "Only fault I give the Yorks here is giving Nolan full control. That never ever works in the NFL."

Please stop.

That quote was in regards to the OP blaming the Yorks for Mike Nolan. What exactly would you blame the Yorks for as far as Mike Nolan goes?


I guess hiring him in the first place and giving him an insane amount of power was not enough?

How about waiting way too long to fire him. Lemme see, I also recall a lot of p***yfooting and the so-called "trigger" being passed around. People being promoted/demoted with nothing substantial happening.

Or is that only 50% Yorks, and 50% Jed's fault b/c Jed was somewhat callin' shots. Or was he? Who the hell knows? Accountability is spread so thin in this front office it makes me sick.

As I said giving him that much power is the only thing they did wrong in that situation. Yes the argument could be made that they waited too long to fire him. But they did strip him of some of that power first to see if he could handle jsut the coaching part. It didn't work and they fired him. Can you really blame them for that?

Are you being sarcastic or is that a legitimate question? If those mistakes don't fall on the owner, I guess no one is at fault. I guess the nightmare that was the Nolan/McCloughan/Singletary era just happened spontaneously and ownership had nothing to do with it.

Stripping Nolan and promoting McCloughan (giving him trigger or whatever) was clearly the only rational move at the time. I can't possibly fathom there being another option given those circumstances. Give me a break.

So you agree with me yet feel the need to argue. So basically arguing just to argue? There's no Rooney rule here son... You have no quota to reach!
  • nooj
  • Veteran
  • Posts: 477
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by nooj:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by nooj:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by nooj:
Originally posted by mike49ersgo:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by mike49ersgo:
The Yorks destroyed this franchise, and they have also spent a great deal of money to try and right it as well. But to date they have not gotten right.

Lets review shall we:
Firing Mooch (Yorks)
Letting Bill Walsh go (Yorks)
Hiring Dennis Ercikson ( Yorks with Donahue) 50% Yorks
Mike Nolan (Yorks)
Scot McCoulghan (Yorks) For the record in my opinion this was not a disaster Hire
Firing Mike Martz: (Yorks: Jed and Singetary)
Mike Singletary (Yorks: Jed) Disaster

Now they have announced that Trent Baalke is the GM. Wow it takes my breath!! It is not that he is the anti Christ, he MAY be a good man, that works hard, hell he may even be good. But he is not proven, NEVER BEEN THERE NEVER DONE THAT!! He represents every thing that the Yorks continue to do. Inexperience: You did not even interview anyone

Lets say for sh*ts and grin's you get Harbaugh: Who is going to help him? He has no NFL head coaching experience, and their is long line of failed college coaches that were with NFL Franchises as dysfunctional as the niners: (Steve Suprier (Washington), Bobby Patrino (Atlanta), Nick Saben (Miami)) For those of you who are yelling at your computer screens (BILL WALSH, and Jimmy Johnson) well these two are exception especially Walsh who invented the west coast offense. Is Harbaugh that good, hope so but my guess is no.

Jed continues to make the same mistakes: bet on Inexperience, bet on one person to turn this ship around. In fact do not even interview anyone who is currently serving as an NFL executive. (Wow: Really).

Close your eyes and Imagine you are working for a company which has been floundering for years, and now it is on the verge of Bankruptcy, and the CEO announces that after a half hearted executive search there will be no changes in management, just the sales manager is now the executive VP. Does this inspire you?

I have seen 8 years of this show and I believe I know the outcome.

Quote:
Firing Mooch (Yorks)
Mooch and Donahue wasn't seeing eye to eye. One had to go. They stuck with the guy Bill Walsh himself handpicked. Thus, listening to a respected football guy everyone keeps wanting them to hire.

Quote:
Letting Bill Walsh go (Yorks)
Quote:
He returned to the 49ers in 1996 as a consultant, but the organization was in turmoil. DeBartolo was under a federal investigation into his pursuit of a riverboat casino license in Louisiana. Walsh clashed with team president Carmen Policy, personnel director Dwight Clark and some of the coaches. He felt he couldn't get anything done. Meanwhile, salary cap problems were building.

He left but came back two years later. Policy and Clark had left for the Cleveland Browns. Walsh helped extricate the team from its cap difficulty and get it through the ownership change from DeBartolo to his sister, Denise York, and her husband, Dr. John York. He had a strong influence in restocking the roster and signed Jeff Garcia, a former San Jose State quarterback then starring in Canada. His faith in Garcia would pay off; the quarterback was elected to the Pro Bowl three times with the 49ers.

Walsh turned the general manager's position over to Terry Donahue in 2001, but continued to serve as a consultant. This was a tragic time in his life. His mother died in 2002. A week later his son Steve, a KGO radio reporter, died of leukemia at the age of 46. His wife, Geri, was still enduring the debilitating effects of a stroke in 1998.

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Hiring Dennis Ercikson ( Yorks with Donahue) 50% Yorks
Dennis erickson wasn't as bad as people make him ot to be with us. 1st year we finished 7-9 and a kicker away from being ATLEAST 9-7 and in the playoffs. His 2nd year our roster was purged and we went 2-14 with what might as well has been replacement players.

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Mike Nolan (Yorks)
Only fault I give the Yorks here is giving Nolan full control. That never ever works in the NFL

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Scot McCoulghan (Yorks)
wasn't a bad move. Didn't turn out to be all that sporty either but.....

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Firing Mike Martz: (Yorks: Jed and Singetary)
This is all on Singletary. No one else. Yorks stepped back and let his coach make a coaching decision.

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Mike Singletary (Yorks: Jed) Disaster
Only fault, keeping him ATLEAST 8 weeks too long.


I'm not sitting here and acting like this is all sunshine and lollipops around here. But it's hardly the Yorks fault. Yes they made a couple bad hires at coaching but, what other options were there? Alot of people was excited about the hires we made at the HC position. It just didn't pan out.

Disagree slightly on Martz, because when Nolan hired him he was told by Jed, that he disagreed with the hire.

Can't tell who's saying what, but is someone actually defending the Yorks decsions (too many to count) and trying to deflect blame, and saying bulls**t like "Only fault I give the Yorks here is giving Nolan full control. That never ever works in the NFL."

Please stop.

That quote was in regards to the OP blaming the Yorks for Mike Nolan. What exactly would you blame the Yorks for as far as Mike Nolan goes?


I guess hiring him in the first place and giving him an insane amount of power was not enough?

How about waiting way too long to fire him. Lemme see, I also recall a lot of p***yfooting and the so-called "trigger" being passed around. People being promoted/demoted with nothing substantial happening.

Or is that only 50% Yorks, and 50% Jed's fault b/c Jed was somewhat callin' shots. Or was he? Who the hell knows? Accountability is spread so thin in this front office it makes me sick.

As I said giving him that much power is the only thing they did wrong in that situation. Yes the argument could be made that they waited too long to fire him. But they did strip him of some of that power first to see if he could handle jsut the coaching part. It didn't work and they fired him. Can you really blame them for that?

Are you being sarcastic or is that a legitimate question? If those mistakes don't fall on the owner, I guess no one is at fault. I guess the nightmare that was the Nolan/McCloughan/Singletary era just happened spontaneously and ownership had nothing to do with it.

Stripping Nolan and promoting McCloughan (giving him trigger or whatever) was clearly the only rational move at the time. I can't possibly fathom there being another option given those circumstances. Give me a break.

So you agree with me yet feel the need to argue. So basically arguing just to argue? There's no Rooney rule here son... You have no quota to reach!

Who's arguing? I agree 100 percent that THE only move to make was to promote McCloughan and demote Mike Nolan as I cannot possibly fathom another option.

It was the right choice, just like every other choice the Yorks have made so far.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by mike49ersgo:
The Yorks destroyed this franchise, and they have also spent a great deal of money to try and right it as well. But to date they have not gotten right.

Lets review shall we:
Firing Mooch (Yorks)
Letting Bill Walsh go (Yorks)
Hiring Dennis Ercikson ( Yorks with Donahue) 50% Yorks
Mike Nolan (Yorks)
Scot McCoulghan (Yorks) For the record in my opinion this was not a disaster Hire
Firing Mike Martz: (Yorks: Jed and Singetary)
Mike Singletary (Yorks: Jed) Disaster

Now they have announced that Trent Baalke is the GM. Wow it takes my breath!! It is not that he is the anti Christ, he MAY be a good man, that works hard, hell he may even be good. But he is not proven, NEVER BEEN THERE NEVER DONE THAT!! He represents every thing that the Yorks continue to do. Inexperience: You did not even interview anyone

Lets say for sh*ts and grin's you get Harbaugh: Who is going to help him? He has no NFL head coaching experience, and their is long line of failed college coaches that were with NFL Franchises as dysfunctional as the niners: (Steve Suprier (Washington), Bobby Patrino (Atlanta), Nick Saben (Miami)) For those of you who are yelling at your computer screens (BILL WALSH, and Jimmy Johnson) well these two are exception especially Walsh who invented the west coast offense. Is Harbaugh that good, hope so but my guess is no.

Jed continues to make the same mistakes: bet on Inexperience, bet on one person to turn this ship around. In fact do not even interview anyone who is currently serving as an NFL executive. (Wow: Really).

Close your eyes and Imagine you are working for a company which has been floundering for years, and now it is on the verge of Bankruptcy, and the CEO announces that after a half hearted executive search there will be no changes in management, just the sales manager is now the executive VP. Does this inspire you?

I have seen 8 years of this show and I believe I know the outcome.

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Firing Mooch (Yorks)
Mooch and Donahue wasn't seeing eye to eye. One had to go. They stuck with the guy Bill Walsh himself handpicked. Thus, listening to a respected football guy everyone keeps wanting them to hire.

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Letting Bill Walsh go (Yorks)
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He returned to the 49ers in 1996 as a consultant, but the organization was in turmoil. DeBartolo was under a federal investigation into his pursuit of a riverboat casino license in Louisiana. Walsh clashed with team president Carmen Policy, personnel director Dwight Clark and some of the coaches. He felt he couldn't get anything done. Meanwhile, salary cap problems were building.

He left but came back two years later. Policy and Clark had left for the Cleveland Browns. Walsh helped extricate the team from its cap difficulty and get it through the ownership change from DeBartolo to his sister, Denise York, and her husband, Dr. John York. He had a strong influence in restocking the roster and signed Jeff Garcia, a former San Jose State quarterback then starring in Canada. His faith in Garcia would pay off; the quarterback was elected to the Pro Bowl three times with the 49ers.

Walsh turned the general manager's position over to Terry Donahue in 2001, but continued to serve as a consultant. This was a tragic time in his life. His mother died in 2002. A week later his son Steve, a KGO radio reporter, died of leukemia at the age of 46. His wife, Geri, was still enduring the debilitating effects of a stroke in 1998.

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Hiring Dennis Ercikson ( Yorks with Donahue) 50% Yorks
Dennis erickson wasn't as bad as people make him ot to be with us. 1st year we finished 7-9 and a kicker away from being ATLEAST 9-7 and in the playoffs. His 2nd year our roster was purged and we went 2-14 with what might as well has been replacement players.

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Mike Nolan (Yorks)
Only fault I give the Yorks here is giving Nolan full control. That never ever works in the NFL

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Scot McCoulghan (Yorks)
wasn't a bad move. Didn't turn out to be all that sporty either but.....

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Firing Mike Martz: (Yorks: Jed and Singetary)
This is all on Singletary. No one else. Yorks stepped back and let his coach make a coaching decision.

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Mike Singletary (Yorks: Jed) Disaster
Only fault, keeping him ATLEAST 8 weeks too long.


I'm not sitting here and acting like this is all sunshine and lollipops around here. But it's hardly the Yorks fault. Yes they made a couple bad hires at coaching but, what other options were there? Alot of people was excited about the hires we made at the HC position. It just didn't pan out.

the second post that i read in a few minutes and that makes sense and it's the same guy behind ...
Your comments may be of value in this puerile sea of crap
Originally posted by English:
It's a business. Operating within a professional sports environment. What do you expect?

It's not a religion. And much of the "information" on which you base your grievances and prejudices is actually third hand rumour and pure invention deseminated by media.

This is probably the most important FACT people are overlooking.
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