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One QB and Coach away

Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Originally posted by MrCrab49ers:
Its frustrating. The 49ers are just as talented as those teams that made the playoffs. 49ers have enough talent on offense, defense and special teams to be one of the elite teams. Just need a veteran QB like McNabb or Kolb and a offensive minded coach to make it all come together.

Have you checked McNabb's stats or performance lately? I am not ready to say he is washed up, but I don't know that he is the answer either. Maybe with the right OC and system he could produce, but he would be more of a short term solution, rather than the ANSWER.

You don't think Shanahan qualifies as the right offensive coordinator? And the WCO that he made the pro bowl like 6 times isn't the right system?

I been a fan of McNabb since the first game of the 1998 season when the Vols played Syracuse and McNabb almost single-handedly kept Syracuse in the game, but the guy is washed up, it is plain to see.
Originally posted by SashRoxx-1:
Originally posted by djfullshred:
If you are just talking playoffs this year, this team could have got in there with even Alex Smith. The Seachickens are in at 7-9. All the Niners had to do was play a little smarter & they would have won the NFC West. I pin that fuggup of sloppiness, lack of adjustment, and chickensh*t offensive play on the coaching staff.

Im sorry But Im actually glad the niners didnt make the playoffs why? Simple,,,the Saints are playing better than they were when the Niners barely lost to them and for that extra game and a LOUSY 7-9 record whats their reward? A best pick at #21 ...14 picks later than what they have now.

I hear ya. All I am saying here is I think they probably would have had a winning record & playoff berth if their coach wasn't such an idiot. Even with Alex Smith - who I am not at all a fan of in the least. To be honest, I was a hell of a lot more worried they may end up keeping Singletary than I was concerned about them not making the playoffs.
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Originally posted by MrCrab49ers:
Its frustrating. The 49ers are just as talented as those teams that made the playoffs. 49ers have enough talent on offense, defense and special teams to be one of the elite teams. Just need a veteran QB like McNabb or Kolb and a offensive minded coach to make it all come together.

Have you checked McNabb's stats or performance lately? I am not ready to say he is washed up, but I don't know that he is the answer either. Maybe with the right OC and system he could produce, but he would be more of a short term solution, rather than the ANSWER.

You don't think Shanahan qualifies as the right offensive coordinator? And the WCO that he made the pro bowl like 6 times isn't the right system?
Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by SashRoxx-1:
Originally posted by djfullshred:
If you are just talking playoffs this year, this team could have got in there with even Alex Smith. The Seachickens are in at 7-9. All the Niners had to do was play a little smarter & they would have won the NFC West. I pin that fuggup of sloppiness, lack of adjustment, and chickensh*t offensive play on the coaching staff.

Im sorry But Im actually glad the niners didnt make the playoffs why? Simple,,,the Saints are playing better than they were when the Niners barely lost to them and for that extra game and a LOUSY 7-9 record whats their reward? A best pick at #21 ...14 picks later than what they have now.

I hear ya. All I am saying here is I think they probably would have had a winning record & playoff berth if their coach wasn't such an idiot. Even with Alex Smith - who I am not at all a fan of in the least. To be honest, I was a hell of a lot more worried they may end up keeping Singletary than I was concerned about them not making the playoffs.

LOL i think Im one of only a few that supported Alex while he was here...but thats because I think under the right coaching etc he'd be pretty good. I see too many people bashing him from when he was a rookie and Im like come on people get REAL NO QB would have done well for the Niners on that team...NO ol, NO WRs NO running game except for the little bit that F Gore started running. NO defense...I actually though M Nolan should have gotten Coach of the Year for the team winning 4 games...My High school team would have slapped that Niners team around.
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Originally posted by MrCrab49ers:
Its frustrating. The 49ers are just as talented as those teams that made the playoffs. 49ers have enough talent on offense, defense and special teams to be one of the elite teams. Just need a veteran QB like McNabb or Kolb and a offensive minded coach to make it all come together.

Have you checked McNabb's stats or performance lately? I am not ready to say he is washed up, but I don't know that he is the answer either. Maybe with the right OC and system he could produce, but he would be more of a short term solution, rather than the ANSWER.

You don't think Shanahan qualifies as the right offensive coordinator? And the WCO that he made the pro bowl like 6 times isn't the right system?

I'm not a fan of any kind when it comes to McNabb, but it wasn't hard to tell that there was a drop off in talent when he went from Philly to DC. Shanahan may be the right HC/OC using the WCO, but the Redskins have very little talent on that team. The OLine gave up more sacks than the Niners and considering McNabb played with DeSean Jackson, Macklin, McCoy and Celek as his weapons the year before, its a considerable step down to think that Santana Moss, Cooley and Torain would make it possible for McNabb to hit the ground running. Those guys may be good professional players, but what he had in Philly was superior to the guys out there for Washington.

I also can see the logic of bringing McNabb here because the current talent on the offense has the type of play makers on it that he had on Philly. Strong running game, very talented TE, and good young receivers. We lack the speedy guy like Jackson, but I think that will be addressed in the draft or maybe with Kyle Williams. A coach that has the right mindset and game planning abilities to use the talent that's currently here on the roster, can use McNabb and whatever he has left to get a year or 2 out of him while grooming the future QB. I am not looking at him as anything but a go between and bridge to the next QB. Also there are worse QB's the Niners can have out there than McNabb. I may not like him, but it could be a smart and safe move for a year or 2.
If you think you like the idea of McNabb, take a look at Steve Young's implied assessment of him. Not sure you want a guy who's not a hard worker setting an example for the rest of the team...
Originally posted by 49erThrowback:
If you think you like the idea of McNabb, take a look at Steve Young's implied assessment of him. Not sure you want a guy who's not a hard worker setting an example for the rest of the team...
The 49ers just need a veteran until the new rookie QB developed.
Originally posted by MrCrab49ers:
Originally posted by 49erThrowback:
If you think you like the idea of McNabb, take a look at Steve Young's implied assessment of him. Not sure you want a guy who's not a hard worker setting an example for the rest of the team...
The 49ers just need a veteran until the new rookie QB developed.

a veteran who has been benched for Rex Grossman? No thank you
Harbaugh and Newton in 2011!!!
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by 49ersGiantspride:
hasn't this been the case for 7 years now, except now we have less holes than we did back then.

we don't have less holes by any means. We still have the same needs if not more. We need a safety to replace I can't make a play if my life depended on it Goldson. We need to replace Clements and fast!! because the only thing he can do is get beat. Still looking for the quintessential NT for the 3-4 (don't say we're moving back to the 4-3 because until we actually do we still run a 3-4). Hole at RG anyone? Hole at FB anyone? Hole at QB anyone? Hole at WR anyone (I'm not sold on Michael "I give up on plays" Crabtree)?

And let's not forget a rush specialist who can strike fear and terror in opposing QBs.
Originally posted by MrCrab49ers:
Originally posted by 49erThrowback:
If you think you like the idea of McNabb, take a look at Steve Young's implied assessment of him. Not sure you want a guy who's not a hard worker setting an example for the rest of the team...
The 49ers just need a veteran until the new rookie QB developed.

That's fine as long as people understand that McNabb isn't going to take the team anywhere, and shouldn't be as expensive as his $10+ million last year.
Originally posted by 602_JamestownAve:
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Originally posted by MrCrab49ers:
Its frustrating. The 49ers are just as talented as those teams that made the playoffs. 49ers have enough talent on offense, defense and special teams to be one of the elite teams. Just need a veteran QB like McNabb or Kolb and a offensive minded coach to make it all come together.

Have you checked McNabb's stats or performance lately? I am not ready to say he is washed up, but I don't know that he is the answer either. Maybe with the right OC and system he could produce, but he would be more of a short term solution, rather than the ANSWER.

You don't think Shanahan qualifies as the right offensive coordinator? And the WCO that he made the pro bowl like 6 times isn't the right system?

I'm not a fan of any kind when it comes to McNabb, but it wasn't hard to tell that there was a drop off in talent when he went from Philly to DC. Shanahan may be the right HC/OC using the WCO, but the Redskins have very little talent on that team. The OLine gave up more sacks than the Niners and considering McNabb played with DeSean Jackson, Macklin, McCoy and Celek as his weapons the year before, its a considerable step down to think that Santana Moss, Cooley and Torain would make it possible for McNabb to hit the ground running. Those guys may be good professional players, but what he had in Philly was superior to the guys out there for Washington.

I also can see the logic of bringing McNabb here because the current talent on the offense has the type of play makers on it that he had on Philly. Strong running game, very talented TE, and good young receivers. We lack the speedy guy like Jackson, but I think that will be addressed in the draft or maybe with Kyle Williams. A coach that has the right mindset and game planning abilities to use the talent that's currently here on the roster, can use McNabb and whatever he has left to get a year or 2 out of him while grooming the future QB. I am not looking at him as anything but a go between and bridge to the next QB. Also there are worse QB's the Niners can have out there than McNabb. I may not like him, but it could be a smart and safe move for a year or 2.

The real issue is price. Sure McNabb would be a steal for anything less than $5 million, but the price tag of $10+ million is simply too expensive.

Unfortunately Orton will probably command $7+ million. That's for a guy not markedly better than the poor A. Smith.
Originally posted by SashRoxx-1:
Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by SashRoxx-1:
Originally posted by djfullshred:
If you are just talking playoffs this year, this team could have got in there with even Alex Smith. The Seachickens are in at 7-9. All the Niners had to do was play a little smarter & they would have won the NFC West. I pin that fuggup of sloppiness, lack of adjustment, and chickensh*t offensive play on the coaching staff.

Im sorry But Im actually glad the niners didnt make the playoffs why? Simple,,,the Saints are playing better than they were when the Niners barely lost to them and for that extra game and a LOUSY 7-9 record whats their reward? A best pick at #21 ...14 picks later than what they have now.

I hear ya. All I am saying here is I think they probably would have had a winning record & playoff berth if their coach wasn't such an idiot. Even with Alex Smith - who I am not at all a fan of in the least. To be honest, I was a hell of a lot more worried they may end up keeping Singletary than I was concerned about them not making the playoffs.

LOL i think Im one of only a few that supported Alex while he was here...but thats because I think under the right coaching etc he'd be pretty good. I see too many people bashing him from when he was a rookie and Im like come on people get REAL NO QB would have done well for the Niners on that team...NO ol, NO WRs NO running game except for the little bit that F Gore started running. NO defense...I actually though M Nolan should have gotten Coach of the Year for the team winning 4 games...My High school team would have slapped that Niners team around.

Nolan overachieved the first two years with the 49ers (just like Singletary overachieved in 2008 and 2009!)

I think it is too late for A. Smith and the 49ers. Even though he shouldn't shoulder the big part of the blame like many people have thought, 6 years are simply too much for a non-winning QB with any team. The well has been poisoned anyway. There is no point for A. Smith to stick around, and suffer being booed every time he throws two incomplete passes in a row.
Yeahhhh. Coach check. Now, QB next.
Originally posted by MrCrab49ers:
Yeahhhh. Coach check. Now, QB next.

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