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I think he's one of the guys with the best inside info on the niners.
Here's his latest article. The idea of a Billick-Lewis combo sounds nice to my ears. The fact Billick worked with Walsh, Dennis Green and led the ravens to a SB title (with Trent Dilfer at QB for God's sake) is nice on his resume. He also was OC for that great Vikings offense in the nineties.
Lewis is one of the best D coach available if let go by the bungles
  • mayo49
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If we don't get Harbaugh, Billick would be a nice fall back.
More former Ravens huh? Well, this combo is MUCH better than the Nolan/Singletary combo
Originally posted by Sims84:
More former Ravens huh? Well, this combo is MUCH better than the Nolan/Singletary combo

I kind of would like to see us hire Billick/Lewis because I know Marvin could get together a badass defense with Willis in the middle and Billick HC. Billick's supposed to be a good offensive coach but I'm worried he can't develop a QB. The only year in BMore they had a good offense was when he had McNair as the QB. He would probably bring back the WCO and our O would be decent, but I'm not sure it'd be as good as we're all hoping it'd be. It's a little scary to be honest. I'm pretty confident that whoever we get, whether it's Harbaugh or Billick, that we'll be pretty good soon again. But I would rather hire Harbaugh. Then again, with Billick maybe if we got him a speed reciever and a QB like Mallett he could recreate the magic he had in MN?
Originally posted by Sims84:
More former Ravens huh? Well, this combo is MUCH better than the Nolan/Singletary combo

Lol much better and Coordinators who become HC and then go back to the last position usually do a better job with the new found experience that they have. Hopefully Billick is an offensive mastermind like they say he is and brings an OC with him.
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Sims84:
More former Ravens huh? Well, this combo is MUCH better than the Nolan/Singletary combo

I kind of would like to see us hire Billick/Lewis because I know Marvin could get together a badass defense with Willis in the middle and Billick HC. Billick's supposed to be a good offensive coach but I'm worried he can't develop a QB. The only year in BMore they had a good offense was when he had McNair as the QB. He would probably bring back the WCO and our O would be decent, but I'm not sure it'd be as good as we're all hoping it'd be. It's a little scary to be honest. I'm pretty confident that whoever we get, whether it's Harbaugh or Billick, that we'll be pretty good soon again. But I would rather hire Harbaugh. Then again, with Billick maybe if we got him a speed reciever and a QB like Mallett he could recreate the magic he had in MN?

I wouldn't be opposed to it. He is not my first option of course but he is an option. I also wouldn't mind Lewis's aggressive style defense although many thought Nolan was aggressive prior to coming here and then got aggressive again after he left . Billick has always had my respect as a coach.

I do agree I would be a little skeptical about him developing a QB but it can't be any worse than we have had and may be just enough to put us over the hump.

He had it made in 1998 with Cunningham, Smith, Carter, Moss and Jake Reed. That offense was crazy but they still came up short
Originally posted by redmanc07:
Originally posted by Sims84:
More former Ravens huh? Well, this combo is MUCH better than the Nolan/Singletary combo

Lol much better and Coordinators who become HC and then go back to the last position usually do a better job with the new found experience that they have. Hopefully Billick is an offensive mastermind like they say he is and brings an OC with him.

I agree and the main reason for that is because they can solely focus on defense/offense instead of the WHOLE team. I would if Lewis was our DC. That means we would be aggressive which is all any fan wants of their team.
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Fever, where did you find that article, I can't find it anywhere on NFL.com.

Never mind, I found it.

[ Edited by mayo49 on Jan 1, 2011 at 03:57:59 ]
Marvin Lewis might help us get Palmer
This makes the most sense right now.

Like most others, I worry about Billick and his QB's, but unlike his f**king idiot predecessor, when a guy like him says he's learned from his past mistakes, I believe him. As far as guys capable of formulating and implementing an offensive attack go, there are few better in my mind. If we were to hire Billick my overall feeling would be "make it happen Cap'n"

Lewis has put together some sh*tty defenses in Cinci, but he's also put together some really good ones, so he has to be considered an upgrade. All Manusky's really ever done here thus far is play a soggy zone that gives up a ton of passing yards, and can't close out a 3rd down to get off the damn field half the time. Say what you will about Marvin, but at least he's not scared to let his corners play bump and run; that in itself is an immediate upgrade to our personnel. I'd like to see what he could do with this defense.

Add the simple fact that Billick has a television job to fall back on, which I'm sure the 9ers wouldn't mind him picking back up if the lockout goes down. This makes him the most qualified guy, with the least to lose in the event of a lockout; makes sense to me.

Again, soooooo much is riding on him getting it right with the QB this time. We absolutely, positively can't afford to whiff again. The offensive line and receivers better get their sh*t together if Billick comes here. I'm pretty sure he'll be drafting high to get his guy to groom, maybe behind a vet (although I don't know what caliber of vet we'd come away with in the off-season). All I do know is: I can't endure another Alexperience.
He wouldn't be my first option and I would only take it if he came bundled with M. Lewis but I think we could do much worse and who knows maybe give him a franchise QB and some good offense talent he can do things with it.

I mean overall the Ravens were successful under Billick and it did seem like he ran a tight ship as a coach and I think he wouldn't have problems gaining the respect of the players. Also the bonus of getting M. Lewis would mean you basically have a head coach of defense and since our defense is Nolan's defense which was modeled after Lewis' defense it should be a very smooth transition for him.

Also one thing that seems to be getting lost of in all of this coaching hoopla is what kind of staffs are these guys going to assemble? For example Mornhinweg's name has been thrown out there because what he's done with the Eagles and their offense but if he becomes a HC what kind of staff will he assemble? Who's the OC (if there is one since he might just call the plays himself)? Who's the DC? What happens if one of your staff gets hired elsewhere do you have other guys that can take over?

One big part of what doomed Nolan and Singletary was their ability to build a quality staff and really that's a big part of why you see a lot of great fooball minds flameout as head coaches. I mean Haley was about to flameout as a HC for the chiefs until he added Weis and Crennel and now the Chiefs are in first place in the AFC West and he's in the running for coach of the year. Which is one reason why the Billick/ M.Lewis combo intrigues me because both have respect in the league and have made a lot of connections over time and should be able to assemble quality staffs.

[ Edited by Jikkle49 on Jan 1, 2011 at 04:20:13 ]
Originally posted by Jikkle49:
He wouldn't be my first option and I would only take it if he came bundled with M. Lewis but I think we could do much worse and who knows maybe give him a franchise QB and some good offense talent he can do things with it.

I mean overall the Ravens were successful under Billick and it did seem like he ran a tight ship as a coach and I think he wouldn't have problems gaining the respect of the players. Also the bonus of getting M. Lewis would mean you basically have a head coach of defense and since our defense is Nolan's defense which was modeled after Lewis' defense it should be a very smooth transition for him.

Also one thing that seems to be getting lost of in all of this coaching hoopla is what kind of staffs are these guys going to assemble? For example Mornhinweg's name has been thrown out there because what he's done with the Eagles and their offense but if he becomes a HC what kind of staff will he assemble? Who's the OC (if there is one since he might just call the plays himself)? Who's the DC? What happens if one of your staff gets hired elsewhere do you have other guys that can take over?

One big part of what doomed Nolan and Singletary was their ability to build a quality staff and really that's a big part of why you see a lot of great fooball minds flameout as head coaches. I mean Haley was about to flameout as a HC for the chiefs until he added Weis and Crennel and now the Chiefs are in first place in the AFC West and he's in the running for coach of the year. Which is one reason why the Billick/ M.Lewis combo intrigues me because both have respect in the league and have made a lot of connections over time and should be able to assemble quality staffs.

Point well taken. Good post
f**k Jason Laconfora
Originally posted by RonMexico:
f**k Jason Laconfora

this
This sounds mostly like random speculation but its kind of scary that I'm a lot more thrilled with having Marvin Lewis as defensive coordinator than I am having with having Billick as a head coach. I don't mind Billick's experience or leadership, but for a supposed offensive guru, having had a large chunk of a decade to put together a top offense, he sure failed miserably in Baltimore. If Billick comes with a strong offensive coordinator, a guy like Kubiak or someone versed with developing a QB, then it wouldn't be a bad deal at all.


Then again I'm just iffy on taking ANY former Baltimore coaches period. Nolan and Singletary had to have picked up a lot of their nonsense and disorganized ways somewhere.