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Who would you say is worth keeping (on staff) besides Rathman?

Originally posted by SaksV:
FIRE

Joel Patten (Director of College Scouting)
Mike Johnson (Offensive Coordinator)
Jason Michael (Quarterbacks)
Jerry Sullivan (Wide Receivers)
Wendell Davis (Wide Receivers)
Mike Solari (Offensive Line)
Greg Manusky (Defensive Coordinator)
Al Harris (Pass Rush)
Jason Tarver (Outside Linebackers)
Vance Joseph (Secondary)

RETAIN

Tom Rathman (Running Backs)
Ray Brown (Offensive Line Assistant)
Vantz Singletary (Inside Linebackers)
Kurt Schottenheimer (Special Teams)
Dave Kipp (Special Teams Assistant)
Duane Carlisle (Strength & Conditioning)
Mark Uyeyama (Strength & Conditioning)


I say no to the two bolded ones
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Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Originally posted by SaksV:
FIRE

Joel Patten (Director of College Scouting)
Mike Johnson (Offensive Coordinator)
Jason Michael (Quarterbacks)
Jerry Sullivan (Wide Receivers)
Wendell Davis (Wide Receivers)
Mike Solari (Offensive Line)
Greg Manusky (Defensive Coordinator)
Al Harris (Pass Rush)
Jason Tarver (Outside Linebackers)
Vance Joseph (Secondary)

RETAIN

Tom Rathman (Running Backs)
Ray Brown (Offensive Line Assistant)
Vantz Singletary (Inside Linebackers)
Kurt Schottenheimer (Special Teams)
Dave Kipp (Special Teams Assistant)
Duane Carlisle (Strength & Conditioning)
Mark Uyeyama (Strength & Conditioning)


I say no to the two bolded ones

The surname is enough to make me wanna say "fire him now" but Vantz Singletary has done a pretty good job getting the most from a 30 something-year old Takeo Spikes and Patrick Willis. I say keep him depending on the Defensive System we go with. As for Schottenheimer, I like our Special Teams play this season. It could be better but alot of that has to do with changes/injuries/lack of talent on the units (Mike Robinson cut, injuries to Zeigler, Anthony Dixon playing kickoff coverage).
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Hard to evaluate any coach who Dingletary had an influence on. Like is Mike Johnson any good? He might have designed some great plays and Dingletary told him to keep running up the middle with straight ahead blocking.
Hard to say w/all the micro-managing Sing has done.
Assistant coach evaluations are really difficult because it's impossible to tell how much singletary imposed his desires on them. It's also impossible to tell how much their coaching desires were constrained by the systems that were installed by the coordinators.

1. Solari is well respected, but he may be past his time in the league. His last few loins have not performed well. And he didnt seem in big demand when seattle didn't retain him. How much is that talent, injuries, and rookies?nnhow much of that trying to work within ray's offensive system? Chilo seemed a liability all year, but i was think he was not pulled because he was a singletary pet project.

2. Mike Johnson - at first his play calling seemed constrained by the previously installed system, but by the end you could tell that he didn't have any answers for the game planning either.

3. Rathman - I don't know why he gets so much love. His backs continuously "ran to darkness" - piling up on the lineman even when no hole was there. Westbrook and Davis consistently missed blitz pick-up. How much of that was singletary demanding a tough run to the called hole??

4. Manusky - the old song about the defense being on the field too much being the offenses fault is baloney. The defense had an equally hard time stopping people early in games as late in games. Manusky did play a conservative style - probably learned under schottenheimer in san diego. But how much was hc demands?

5. Sullivan - IMHO the route scheming was horrible, and this was the wr coaches job. He didn't get anything out of what appears to be mid-level talent. He needs to go.
Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Originally posted by SaksV:
FIRE

Joel Patten (Director of College Scouting)
Mike Johnson (Offensive Coordinator)
Jason Michael (Quarterbacks)
Jerry Sullivan (Wide Receivers)
Wendell Davis (Wide Receivers)
Mike Solari (Offensive Line)
Greg Manusky (Defensive Coordinator)
Al Harris (Pass Rush)
Jason Tarver (Outside Linebackers)
Vance Joseph (Secondary)

RETAIN

Tom Rathman (Running Backs)
Ray Brown (Offensive Line Assistant)
Vantz Singletary (Inside Linebackers)
Kurt Schottenheimer (Special Teams)
Dave Kipp (Special Teams Assistant)
Duane Carlisle (Strength & Conditioning)
Mark Uyeyama (Strength & Conditioning)


I say no to the two bolded ones


Doesn't matter cause Al Harris and Vantz Singletary are already gone.

Tomasula and Hoener, their guys are about the only guys that have performed week to week.
It doesn't really matter IMO, a new coach is going to clean house. MAYBE a couple of guys will keep their jobs, but that's a big maybe.
The D-Line is one of the best units on the team, so I can understand keeping Tomsula, and Rathman has been regarded as one of the best RB coaches in the league.

I wouldn't doubt if the new GM/HC retain Solari and Brown as well. The O-Line has been an issue, but they had to break-in two rookies while losing Heitmann and Staley along the way. I know Solari is well regarded.
Originally posted by longtime49erfan:
Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:
Tomsula
Rathman
Hoener


bout it.

Maybe Manusky...


demoted back to LB coach maybe......
Originally posted by HearstFan:
Assistant coach evaluations are really difficult because it's impossible to tell how much singletary imposed his desires on them. It's also impossible to tell how much their coaching desires were constrained by the systems that were installed by the coordinators.

1. Solari is well respected, but he may be past his time in the league. His last few loins have not performed well. And he didnt seem in big demand when seattle didn't retain him. How much is that talent, injuries, and rookies?nnhow much of that trying to work within ray's offensive system? Chilo seemed a liability all year, but i was think he was not pulled because he was a singletary pet project.

2. Mike Johnson - at first his play calling seemed constrained by the previously installed system, but by the end you could tell that he didn't have any answers for the game planning either.

3. Rathman - I don't know why he gets so much love. His backs continuously "ran to darkness" - piling up on the lineman even when no hole was there. Westbrook and Davis consistently missed blitz pick-up. How much of that was singletary demanding a tough run to the called hole??

4. Manusky - the old song about the defense being on the field too much being the offenses fault is baloney. The defense had an equally hard time stopping people early in games as late in games. Manusky did play a conservative style - probably learned under schottenheimer in san diego. But how much was hc demands?

5. Sullivan - IMHO the route scheming was horrible, and this was the wr coaches job. He didn't get anything out of what appears to be mid-level talent. He needs to go.

That is why they have Viagra.
Tomsula
Solari
Manusky (maybe)
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
The D-Line is one of the best units on the team, so I can understand keeping Tomsula, and Rathman has been regarded as one of the best RB coaches in the league.

I wouldn't doubt if the new GM/HC retain Solari and Brown as well. The O-Line has been an issue, but they had to break-in two rookies while losing Heitmann and Staley along the way. I know Solari is well regarded.

Solari may be well regarded, but his scheme for our O-line sucked balls. The announcers against the Rams were pointing out our poor oline scheme all game... nobody was picking up blitzing backers to the tune of 4 qb fumbles, a safety, and several sacks. Sometimes you have to leave your man to pick up the bigger threat, and that NEVER happens on our line.
It's hard to effectively evaluate the performance of a position coach or coordinator when you don't know how much influence SingleBrainCell had on that position.

That decision will be made by someone more qualified than us webzoners.

Nobody gets a pass.
Originally posted by thojess:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
The D-Line is one of the best units on the team, so I can understand keeping Tomsula, and Rathman has been regarded as one of the best RB coaches in the league.

I wouldn't doubt if the new GM/HC retain Solari and Brown as well. The O-Line has been an issue, but they had to break-in two rookies while losing Heitmann and Staley along the way. I know Solari is well regarded.

Solari may be well regarded, but his scheme for our O-line sucked balls. The announcers against the Rams were pointing out our poor oline scheme all game... nobody was picking up blitzing backers to the tune of 4 qb fumbles, a safety, and several sacks. Sometimes you have to leave your man to pick up the bigger threat, and that NEVER happens on our line.

That may not be on the OL coach, but overall play design. Remember we were using a playbook designed by Raye, tweaked by Johnson but 70 % Singletary. What they were pointing out was where players needed to move over and understand where the rush was coming - that sounds like an issue with execution. Also Rachal started which was a Singletary special.
all of singletarys cousins and ex teamates.
I have no idea why everyone hates Manusky. We don't have a shut down corner or a pass rush threat, yet our defense is still solid year in and year out. I love Manusky and I think if the new coach keeps the 3-4, he will stay.