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Deion Sanders calls playcalling....

Originally posted by susweel:
I've been saying this all year.

Yup, you have.

So how is it you still don't understand that the one guy affected is the QB? QBs' should be able to know where the ball is supposed to go when he gets the play. But with ZERO consistency in the OC chair who is really going to know this? McNabb? Manning? Brees? Don't even think Big Ben would have a clue with the sad sack OCs' this team has had. Even Martz sucked. He limited Davis the whole year he Coordinated for this team.

But yeah, our QB is hot garbage stand back lest ye be singed. Remember to take your Geiger-counter to the next game so you can avoid the hot spots. Oh and make sure to replace your rad badge every 5 minutes so you can get out before all your teeth and hair falls out.

~Ceadder
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by susweel:
I've been saying this all year.

No you haven't. You've said Alex sucks many times but that's about it


If you would read other posts besides the Alex ones you would notice that I have been very critical of MJ.

MJ hasn't been perfect I'll agree with that but when you have a head coach that says "I like what you're doin but let's run more..." the play calling gets fvcked.
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by susweel:
I've been saying this all year.

No you haven't. You've said Alex sucks many times but that's about it


If you would read other posts besides the Alex ones you would notice that I have been very critical of MJ.

MJ hasn't been perfect I'll agree with that but when you have a head coach that says "I like what you're doin but let's run more..." the play calling gets fvcked.

Agreed

But its all a big mess, just looking forward to change.
Originally posted by sfninerfanMax:
Singletary said the Niners were surprised at how deep san diego's safety's were playing in the second half----shouldn't an offense be able to respond to that immediatey? You would think a QB who has played 6 years in the NFL has seen most everything and can adjust in the huddle or at the line in about 5 seconds--before the ball is snapped.

Honestly, I just don't think Alex is the type of QB that likes to make throws that split defenders. Almost all of the throws he makes are to players with a defender only on one side of the receiver. The way SD waffles were playing made room for a lot of options over the LB but in front of the DB. We don't have QB that can make that throw.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by sfninerfanMax:
Singletary said the Niners were surprised at how deep san diego's safety's were playing in the second half----shouldn't an offense be able to respond to that immediatey? You would think a QB who has played 6 years in the NFL has seen most everything and can adjust in the huddle or at the line in about 5 seconds--before the ball is snapped.

Honestly, I just don't think Alex is the type of QB that likes to make throws that split defenders. Almost all of the throws he makes are to players with a defender only on one side of the receiver. The way SD waffles were playing made room for a lot of options over the LB but in front of the DB. We don't have QB that can make that throw.


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[ Edited by susweel on Dec 18, 2010 at 12:16 PM ]
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Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by susweel:
I've been saying this all year.

No you haven't. You've said Alex sucks many times but that's about it


If you would read other posts besides the Alex ones you would notice that I have been very critical of MJ.

If you've been saying it "all year" I'm pretty sure you can easily show us some examples?

Not to mention if you have in fact been saying it all year, and do believe that our play calling is terrible, then doesn't that take away from your argument that our lack of success is all Alex's fault? You can't have it both ways...

You might be new here so you dont whats been said.


Here read this thread Im sure I called him out at some point in it. I dont care enough to look through all the pages.


http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=127887&page=1&highlight=mike%20johnson

I've been on here all season, and I don't recall you saying it once. But if you have I'll take your word for it. What I have read is many comments saying everything is Alex's fault.

How do you negotiate those two opposing viewpoints? It's okay to say MJ/Sing's play calling is bad, but that only proves that it's not all Alex's fault.

I never said it was ALL his fault but much of it is and was.

I wish I had the time and desire to go back and quote your posts, but I don't.

So are you now stating for the record that our lack of success is NOT all Alex's fault, and that indeed our play calling has hurt his ability to succeed?


Well it certainly hasn't helped, but why are you turning this into a Alex Smith thread ?

Wow Sus, you are a real patient man aren't you? Kudos to that. For the record, I've read many threads and responses that you have written that very CLEARLY blame other factors, players, et, ad nausea for the failings of this team. However, I am on-board for the EPIC FAIL of A smith, thou not all of this garbage is his fault. He is after all, a good guy, just not a real good quarterback in the NFL regardless of coaching changes et all excuses..

Your cool head prevails, this time..

lol

Thnaks bro.

::fist bump::

Do it.
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by susweel:
I've been saying this all year.

No you haven't. You've said Alex sucks many times but that's about it


If you would read other posts besides the Alex ones you would notice that I have been very critical of MJ.

If you've been saying it "all year" I'm pretty sure you can easily show us some examples?

Not to mention if you have in fact been saying it all year, and do believe that our play calling is terrible, then doesn't that take away from your argument that our lack of success is all Alex's fault? You can't have it both ways...

You might be new here so you dont whats been said.


Here read this thread Im sure I called him out at some point in it. I dont care enough to look through all the pages.


http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=127887&page=1&highlight=mike%20johnson

I've been on here all season, and I don't recall you saying it once. But if you have I'll take your word for it. What I have read is many comments saying everything is Alex's fault.

How do you negotiate those two opposing viewpoints? It's okay to say MJ/Sing's play calling is bad, but that only proves that it's not all Alex's fault.

I never said it was ALL his fault but much of it is and was.

I wish I had the time and desire to go back and quote your posts, but I don't.

So are you now stating for the record that our lack of success is NOT all Alex's fault, and that indeed our play calling has hurt his ability to succeed?


Well it certainly hasn't helped, but why are you turning this into a Alex Smith thread ?

Wow Sus, you are a real patient man aren't you? Kudos to that. For the record, I've read many threads and responses that you have written that very CLEARLY blame other factors, players, et, ad nausea for the failings of this team. However, I am on-board for the EPIC FAIL of A smith, thou not all of this garbage is his fault. He is after all, a good guy, just not a real good quarterback in the NFL regardless of coaching changes et all excuses..

Your cool head prevails, this time..

lol

Thnaks bro.

::fist bump::

Do it.

Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
What more needs to be said. I think this is what we have been talking about on here for the past 4.5 months or so.

It's too bad NFL network has to pay Deion millions to come to that conclusion when the rest of us laymen have been expounded on this for quite some time.

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Originally posted by susweel:



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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by sfninerfanMax:
Singletary said the Niners were surprised at how deep san diego's safety's were playing in the second half----shouldn't an offense be able to respond to that immediatey? You would think a QB who has played 6 years in the NFL has seen most everything and can adjust in the huddle or at the line in about 5 seconds--before the ball is snapped.

Honestly, I just don't think Alex is the type of QB that likes to make throws that split defenders. Almost all of the throws he makes are to players with a defender only on one side of the receiver. The way SD waffles were playing made room for a lot of options over the LB but in front of the DB. We don't have QB that can make that throw.

Ok, maybe I don't understand what you're saying. Can you tell me if he is splitting defenders on some of these throws? The first play looks to me to be exactly what you're talking about as far as over the LB and in front of the DB. Looks like standard zone coverage to me.



This was last season, yes? This season it has been noted many times that teams are taking away this type of throw with bracket coverage instead of standard zone. Maybe I'm just not familiar enough with coverage schemes, but I watched the game on TV and Vernon Davis appeared bracketed all night to me... in/out and over/under. If Alex tries to hit the window on those throws, he's going to get picked off.

I would also like to point out the irony that on the touchdown pass to Vernon Davis against the Colts, Alex throws the ball over a leaping Gary Brackett.
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by sfninerfanMax:
Singletary said the Niners were surprised at how deep san diego's safety's were playing in the second half----shouldn't an offense be able to respond to that immediatey? You would think a QB who has played 6 years in the NFL has seen most everything and can adjust in the huddle or at the line in about 5 seconds--before the ball is snapped.

Honestly, I just don't think Alex is the type of QB that likes to make throws that split defenders. Almost all of the throws he makes are to players with a defender only on one side of the receiver. The way SD waffles were playing made room for a lot of options over the LB but in front of the DB. We don't have QB that can make that throw.

Ok, maybe I don't understand what you're saying. Can you tell me if he is splitting defenders on some of these throws? The first play looks to me to be exactly what you're talking about as far as over the LB and in front of the DB. Looks like standard zone coverage to me.



This was last season, yes? This season it has been noted many times that teams are taking away this type of throw with bracket coverage instead of standard zone. Maybe I'm just not familiar enough with coverage schemes, but I watched the game on TV and Vernon Davis appeared bracketed all night to me... in/out and over/under. If Alex tries to hit the window on those throws, he's going to get picked off.

I would also like to point out the irony that on the touchdown pass to Vernon Davis against the Colts, Alex throws the ball over a leaping Gary Brackett.

Ooooh very good.

I don't care if the Opponent is running Bracket or Zone coverage. The simple fact is the play calling that we have gotten this season doesn't match up with the play calling we got last season. I haven't seen ONE route that includes a downfield pick by crossing slant routes. Not one. No they don't always work, but the Defenders have to be aware of the location of their teammates or there'll be an opening created. Hell send Crabtree on one so when he falls on his face(for the umpteenth time) he has a good chance at taking both Defenders out(*Oops my bad*) whenever wwe have gotten the RayeGun or the Spreadcoast or whatever you wish to call it, it's been successful. But that's been pretty rare. Sadly our Coaches don't trust anybody but the Line. I don't see how but they do.

~Ceadder
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by sfninerfanMax:
Singletary said the Niners were surprised at how deep san diego's safety's were playing in the second half----shouldn't an offense be able to respond to that immediatey? You would think a QB who has played 6 years in the NFL has seen most everything and can adjust in the huddle or at the line in about 5 seconds--before the ball is snapped.

Honestly, I just don't think Alex is the type of QB that likes to make throws that split defenders. Almost all of the throws he makes are to players with a defender only on one side of the receiver. The way SD waffles were playing made room for a lot of options over the LB but in front of the DB. We don't have QB that can make that throw.

Ok, maybe I don't understand what you're saying. Can you tell me if he is splitting defenders on some of these throws? The first play looks to me to be exactly what you're talking about as far as over the LB and in front of the DB. Looks like standard zone coverage to me.



This was last season, yes? This season it has been noted many times that teams are taking away this type of throw with bracket coverage instead of standard zone. Maybe I'm just not familiar enough with coverage schemes, but I watched the game on TV and Vernon Davis appeared bracketed all night to me... in/out and over/under. If Alex tries to hit the window on those throws, he's going to get picked off.

I would also like to point out the irony that on the touchdown pass to Vernon Davis against the Colts, Alex throws the ball over a leaping Gary Brackett.

Ooooh very good.

I don't care if the Opponent is running Bracket or Zone coverage. The simple fact is the play calling that we have gotten this season doesn't match up with the play calling we got last season. I haven't seen ONE route that includes a downfield pick by crossing slant routes. Not one. No they don't always work, but the Defenders have to be aware of the location of their teammates or there'll be an opening created. Hell send Crabtree on one so when he falls on his face(for the umpteenth time) he has a good chance at taking both Defenders out(*Oops my bad*) whenever wwe have gotten the RayeGun or the Spreadcoast or whatever you wish to call it, it's been successful. But that's been pretty rare. Sadly our Coaches don't trust anybody but the Line. I don't see how but they do.

~Ceadder

Wait a minute, the "Spreadcoast"???

Isn't that what we see when the score is 31-0 with only 8 minutes left in the game???
Originally posted by tn9er:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by sfninerfanMax:
Singletary said the Niners were surprised at how deep san diego's safety's were playing in the second half----shouldn't an offense be able to respond to that immediatey? You would think a QB who has played 6 years in the NFL has seen most everything and can adjust in the huddle or at the line in about 5 seconds--before the ball is snapped.

Honestly, I just don't think Alex is the type of QB that likes to make throws that split defenders. Almost all of the throws he makes are to players with a defender only on one side of the receiver. The way SD waffles were playing made room for a lot of options over the LB but in front of the DB. We don't have QB that can make that throw.

Ok, maybe I don't understand what you're saying. Can you tell me if he is splitting defenders on some of these throws? The first play looks to me to be exactly what you're talking about as far as over the LB and in front of the DB. Looks like standard zone coverage to me.



This was last season, yes? This season it has been noted many times that teams are taking away this type of throw with bracket coverage instead of standard zone. Maybe I'm just not familiar enough with coverage schemes, but I watched the game on TV and Vernon Davis appeared bracketed all night to me... in/out and over/under. If Alex tries to hit the window on those throws, he's going to get picked off.

I would also like to point out the irony that on the touchdown pass to Vernon Davis against the Colts, Alex throws the ball over a leaping Gary Brackett.

Ooooh very good.

I don't care if the Opponent is running Bracket or Zone coverage. The simple fact is the play calling that we have gotten this season doesn't match up with the play calling we got last season. I haven't seen ONE route that includes a downfield pick by crossing slant routes. Not one. No they don't always work, but the Defenders have to be aware of the location of their teammates or there'll be an opening created. Hell send Crabtree on one so when he falls on his face(for the umpteenth time) he has a good chance at taking both Defenders out(*Oops my bad*) whenever wwe have gotten the RayeGun or the Spreadcoast or whatever you wish to call it, it's been successful. But that's been pretty rare. Sadly our Coaches don't trust anybody but the Line. I don't see how but they do.

~Ceadder

Wait a minute, the "Spreadcoast"???

Isn't that what we see when the score is 31-0 with only 8 minutes left in the game???

Too funny, considering that we were quite successful with it last year. An I don't mean that in a funny haha sort of way if you catch my drift.

We knew the Line was going to have its issues, having two Rookies starting. But I noticed that when we did use it, it took the pressure off the Line this season. Only team that didn't work well against was Philly and their Devil May Care blitz Packages.

Boggles the mind that it was not the featured Offense this season given that we had success with it. Atlanta, New Orleans and other successful teams are running some form of the spread as well. But nope, we gotta run Bell Cow into the teeth of the Defense. Personally I hate that Frank somehow finds a hole to gash the Opponent with the occasional long Run. When you spread out the Defense you're more likely to do that regularly.

Something needs to happen this offseason, find a good Coordinator and give him the Offense or trade Frank. Cause THIS ain't working.

~Ceadder
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Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Something needs to happen this offseason, find a good Coordinator and give him the Offense or trade Frank. Cause THIS ain't working.

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WTF? I know you're probably the last really irrational Alex Smith fan, but this is just taking it too far.

Frank Gore is on injured reserve with a broken hip. Our starting running back right now is one of the greatest receiving backs in the last decade. Does this make a difference? No.

Leave Gore out of it. It isn't his fault that our coaches are idiots.
It's just symptomatic of how this team and its "management" have tried to get by on the cheap. Not since Norv Turner have the Niners had a quality OC...I think MJ has some promise, but against guys like NT he's 2nd rate. While I'd tend to agree w/Deion WRT the playcalling, the execution was just as bad. The Niners had opportunities to compete in the game...but just couldn't execute.