49ers players bag on coaching staff

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's the worst coaching staff in the league which is picked by the worst ownership in the league.

And they play in worst stadium in the league and have the worst qb in the league.

Maybe on the stadium. There is actually worse QB's though. Ours is in the bottom 5 - 10 for sure.

Who's worse ?

Fire all these scrubs.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's the worst coaching staff in the league which is picked by the worst ownership in the league.

And they play in worst stadium in the league and have the worst qb in the league.

Maybe on the stadium. There is actually worse QB's though. Ours is in the bottom 5 - 10 for sure.

Who's worse ?

Shaun Hill.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's the worst coaching staff in the league which is picked by the worst ownership in the league.

And they play in worst stadium in the league and have the worst qb in the league.

Maybe on the stadium. There is actually worse QB's though. Ours is in the bottom 5 - 10 for sure.

Who's worse ?

Shaun Hill.

I think he's better then our guys but thats just a matter of opinion I guess. Also he is the second string.

Originally posted by MarkD:
Yeh at this point it is a no win situation. The fans have no faith in the staff,the league looks at us like a joke,players (MIGHT) be viewing the staff that way. I think M. Johnson has potential, Manusky should be retained as defensive coach. If Sing does get fired and they bring in someone else essentially everything gets blown up for lack of a better term. Offense needs a overhaul, but what with the defense. Does the new coach switch us to a 4-3 whcih we do not have the players for? We've been running the 3-4 for 6 yrs now. Its like starting over again and that sucks. I dont care who the coach is if the QB and offensive line arent playing well in tandom we are gonna suck.

3 years now not 6. We were running a 4-3 with Erickson, then when Nolan was HC we ran a 4-3 and a 3-4 hybrid. When we were running the 4-3 and the hybrid our Defense sucked. It was only when Sing decided to focus on the 3-4 that our Defense got better.

It's funny how many people here do not understand that if we go back to the 4-3 we're toast. We DON'T have the personnel to run it, and hadn't in a very long time.

If we go 4-3 we have to drop a LB or DE/LB off the field. So lets say we do. The only guy to me that is expendable in this unit is Haralson. BUT, the guy that would be expendable is TKO due to there not being another ILB in the scheme. TKO may have lost a step but he's playing the best at the moment. He also takes the focus of the Offense off Bam Bam.

So then when we lose TKO who do we replace him with on the Line? Do we put McDonald next to an underperforming ABF who isn't taking 2 blockers like he was last year? If you do that then there is a little more push in the middle. But the strongside Back gets chipped because now there are two blockers free to take him on and NO ILB to follow him off the edge to fill the lane.

It's not our strength. We do not have many 280+ Edge Rushing Linemen and Icebox while solid on the outside is not a DT. He's successful off the edge. He's not in the middle. Every one of his detractors think in a 4-3 process and don't really understand the 3-4.

Until we get some solid Linemen to fill the open spot it would be stupid as hell to switch Defensive philosophies mid stream. Right now Haralson is the weak link. That can be fixed. Brooks isn't bad. Manny may not be the Pass Rush specialist that you all want him to be, but he can play all 3 downs and is showing us this game in and game out. The problem is that when one side of the field is weak they can run away from him.

Also, I'll continue to pound the drum about Manusky moving up to the booth. Our Defense is solid. It's our adjustment to the screen that is weak. Also with the current focus on concussions, it skews favor to the Offense. I cannot believe that the Ref Corps has gone off half cocked in response to safety. You can't even brush the helmet with a hand or you're gonna get flagged. If this continues why even have a Defense out there at all? Every player wears pads for safety. Last I checked a helmet was made of sturdy materials with quality padding. Back when I played ball we had NFL air bladders in our helmets like everybody in the NFL does. Goodell needs to back off or the players will stop giving a crap and take the fine. This will lead to contracts including clauses that make the team include fines in the overall contract. They won't assign that as a designator but we'll know that's what it is. In the end it's going to get somebody killed or permanently maimed. The NFL has not had a serious career ending injury in a VERY long time. I think that Steve was the last of what could be determined to be this type of injury. But that's why they get paid the contracts they get. It's not like back in the day when contracts were in the $10k range and everyone had to work an offseason job.

Sorry didn't mean to get off track. The point is that our Defense is still solid. But we get killed by one play type and then because our Defense is back on their heels and gassed they give up the occasional big play and the rules are being unfairly manipulated by the league. None of this demands for a change of Defensive philosophies. If anything the issue has only become clearer. Our Defense is typically solid against the Run and Opposing teams have adjusted to this by running more Screens and Play Action calls. So why do we change the philosophy when the answer is that we need to adjust to their adjustment and counter. Instead of running an all out blitz we should counter by throwing trap plays at them. We identify the screen, then set a trap by running a blitz to that side and have the ILB shift his focus to the backfield Receiver and have the Mike stay focused in the middle in Zone coverage.

But we can't do this because of one sticky point. Manusky is on the sideline where he cannot make this adjustment, because he cannot identify the play because he cannot see it. We're better than we give our Defense credit. Mike Lewis leaving made us better but it killed us at the same time cause we were forced to get Mays on the field more. Mays is talented but he's still a Rookie. He's going to make the occasional mistake. And that's going to hurt us. But if Manusky was in the booth like he should be it wouldn't hurt as much. Also the advantage in the booth is that the DC can verbally plan against us to the OC. So the OC can adjust his focus to what the Opposing Defense shows him. Why? Cause the DC can point out the Trap in the scheme. This helps the QB find the weak point of the attack and take advantage of it.

As someone said, it's Chess not Checkers.

~Ceadder

P.S. Does anyone know what the definition of "Former" is? There is no Rat in the building. The Rat is no longer a 49er. But that doesn't stop idiot writers from writing this stuff. It's been said time and again that FORMER 49ers players are making these statements.

[ Edited by Ceadderman on Nov 26, 2010 at 17:15:14 ]

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's the worst coaching staff in the league which is picked by the worst ownership in the league.

And they play in worst stadium in the league and have the worst qb in the league.

Maybe on the stadium. There is actually worse QB's though. Ours is in the bottom 5 - 10 for sure.

Who's worse ?

Shaun Hill.

I think he's better then our guys but thats just a matter of opinion I guess. Also he is the second string.

Wow did you get drunk on spoiled KoolAid? Hill isn't better than any of our Guys. Our guys are just handcuffed to inept play calling, bad Line and crappy Receiving. Doesn't make them good, but by no means does that mean that Hill is better than any of them. Sadly you can't get past your man crush on the pie thrower.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's the worst coaching staff in the league which is picked by the worst ownership in the league.

And they play in worst stadium in the league and have the worst qb in the league.

Maybe on the stadium. There is actually worse QB's though. Ours is in the bottom 5 - 10 for sure.

Who's worse ?

Shaun Hill.

I think he's better then our guys but thats just a matter of opinion I guess. Also he is the second string.

Wow did you get drunk on spoiled KoolAid? Hill isn't better than any of our Guys. Our guys are just handcuffed to inept play calling, bad Line and crappy Receiving. Doesn't make them good, but by no means does that mean that Hill is better than any of them. Sadly you can't get past your man crush on the pie thrower.

~Ceadder

He out performed them when he was here.


btw

also aren't you the same guy that said Alex is better then Rivers ??

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's the worst coaching staff in the league which is picked by the worst ownership in the league.

And they play in worst stadium in the league and have the worst qb in the league.

Maybe on the stadium. There is actually worse QB's though. Ours is in the bottom 5 - 10 for sure.

Who's worse ?

Shaun Hill.

I think he's better then our guys but thats just a matter of opinion I guess. Also he is the second string.

Wow did you get drunk on spoiled KoolAid? Hill isn't better than any of our Guys. Our guys are just handcuffed to inept play calling, bad Line and crappy Receiving. Doesn't make them good, but by no means does that mean that Hill is better than any of them. Sadly you can't get past your man crush on the pie thrower.

~Ceadder

He out performed them when he was here.


btw

also aren't you the same guy that said Alex is better then Rivers ??

Hill didn't outperform anyone in Sing's system, he was struggling to get a first down.

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's the worst coaching staff in the league which is picked by the worst ownership in the league.

And they play in worst stadium in the league and have the worst qb in the league.

Maybe on the stadium. There is actually worse QB's though. Ours is in the bottom 5 - 10 for sure.

Who's worse ?

Shaun Hill.

I think he's better then our guys but thats just a matter of opinion I guess. Also he is the second string.

Wow did you get drunk on spoiled KoolAid? Hill isn't better than any of our Guys. Our guys are just handcuffed to inept play calling, bad Line and crappy Receiving. Doesn't make them good, but by no means does that mean that Hill is better than any of them. Sadly you can't get past your man crush on the pie thrower.

~Ceadder

He out performed them when he was here.


btw

also aren't you the same guy that said Alex is better then Rivers ??

Hill didn't outperform anyone in Sing's system, he was struggling to get a first down.

His win loss record was better then anyone else on the roster.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's the worst coaching staff in the league which is picked by the worst ownership in the league.

And they play in worst stadium in the league and have the worst qb in the league.

Maybe on the stadium. There is actually worse QB's though. Ours is in the bottom 5 - 10 for sure.

Who's worse ?

Shaun Hill.

I think he's better then our guys but thats just a matter of opinion I guess. Also he is the second string.

Wow did you get drunk on spoiled KoolAid? Hill isn't better than any of our Guys. Our guys are just handcuffed to inept play calling, bad Line and crappy Receiving. Doesn't make them good, but by no means does that mean that Hill is better than any of them. Sadly you can't get past your man crush on the pie thrower.

~Ceadder

He out performed them when he was here.


btw

also aren't you the same guy that said Alex is better then Rivers ??

Hill didn't outperform anyone in Sing's system, he was struggling to get a first down.

His win loss record was better then anyone else on the roster.

lol.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's the worst coaching staff in the league which is picked by the worst ownership in the league.

And they play in worst stadium in the league and have the worst qb in the league.

Maybe on the stadium. There is actually worse QB's though. Ours is in the bottom 5 - 10 for sure.

Who's worse ?

Shaun Hill.

I think he's better then our guys but thats just a matter of opinion I guess. Also he is the second string.

Wow did you get drunk on spoiled KoolAid? Hill isn't better than any of our Guys. Our guys are just handcuffed to inept play calling, bad Line and crappy Receiving. Doesn't make them good, but by no means does that mean that Hill is better than any of them. Sadly you can't get past your man crush on the pie thrower.

~Ceadder

He out performed them when he was here.


btw

also aren't you the same guy that said Alex is better then Rivers ??

That's not what the stats say.

And I still believe that Alex IS a better QB than Rivers. You give Alex a quality play caller and he's pretty good. Of course he doesn't take chances. Cause our HC doesn't let him until we get behind on the scoreboard. His mechanics are superior to Rivers in every way. When he has the chance to plant his front foot he's as accurate. And his arm is just as strong. Even after just about having it knocked off his shoulder.

It's obvious that your judgement of #11 is clouded by our W/L record.

I'm not saying that Alex is the greatest ever. I'm just saying that he's been severely handicapped by inferior coaching, a bad Line and bad Receivers. And look what he's still been able to accomplish in the Red Zone. Oh speaking of Red Zone his stats there are better than Rivers too.

He's gone, let your hatred go. Otherwise it's going to eat at you from the inside out. I can see that it's already doing so.

I never agreed with the firing of Dan Reeves back when Elway was still playing. But one thing is for certain, SOMETIMES a change is necessary. Alex going someplace else is a good thing if he can do like Jeff did and find a capable coaching staff to latch onto. Cause this one is a joke. And I find it incredible that you(and others) act like Alex is the problem. Like you believe that we have superior parts of the whole and cutting the cord with Alex will fix everything. You probably thought the Line would be an Iron Curtain when we picked Iupati and Davis in the draft too.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:

Originally posted by AJ_Larrea954:
Everybody in our coaching staff sucks. Point blank after these last 6 games they better all be gone

wrong Jerry Sullivan is great

so is Tomsula and Mike Solari will get it together

What has Sullivan done to justify being called great?

absolutely nothing

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by MarkD:
Yeh at this point it is a no win situation. The fans have no faith in the staff,the league looks at us like a joke,players (MIGHT) be viewing the staff that way. I think M. Johnson has potential, Manusky should be retained as defensive coach. If Sing does get fired and they bring in someone else essentially everything gets blown up for lack of a better term. Offense needs a overhaul, but what with the defense. Does the new coach switch us to a 4-3 whcih we do not have the players for? We've been running the 3-4 for 6 yrs now. Its like starting over again and that sucks. I dont care who the coach is if the QB and offensive line arent playing well in tandom we are gonna suck.

3 years now not 6. We were running a 4-3 with Erickson, then when Nolan was HC we ran a 4-3 and a 3-4 hybrid. When we were running the 4-3 and the hybrid our Defense sucked. It was only when Sing decided to focus on the 3-4 that our Defense got better.

It's funny how many people here do not understand that if we go back to the 4-3 we're toast. We DON'T have the personnel to run it, and hadn't in a very long time.

If we go 4-3 we have to drop a LB or DE/LB off the field. So lets say we do. The only guy to me that is expendable in this unit is Haralson. BUT, the guy that would be expendable is TKO due to there not being another ILB in the scheme. TKO may have lost a step but he's playing the best at the moment. He also takes the focus of the Offense off Bam Bam.

So then when we lose TKO who do we replace him with on the Line? Do we put McDonald next to an underperforming ABF who isn't taking 2 blockers like he was last year? If you do that then there is a little more push in the middle. But the strongside Back gets chipped because now there are two blockers free to take him on and NO ILB to follow him off the edge to fill the lane.

It's not our strength. We do not have many 280+ Edge Rushing Linemen and Icebox while solid on the outside is not a DT. He's successful off the edge. He's not in the middle. Every one of his detractors think in a 4-3 process and don't really understand the 3-4.

Until we get some solid Linemen to fill the open spot it would be stupid as hell to switch Defensive philosophies mid stream. Right now Haralson is the weak link. That can be fixed. Brooks isn't bad. Manny may not be the Pass Rush specialist that you all want him to be, but he can play all 3 downs and is showing us this game in and game out. The problem is that when one side of the field is weak they can run away from him.

Also, I'll continue to pound the drum about Manusky moving up to the booth. Our Defense is solid. It's our adjustment to the screen that is weak. Also with the current focus on concussions, it skews favor to the Offense. I cannot believe that the Ref Corps has gone off half cocked in response to safety. You can't even brush the helmet with a hand or you're gonna get flagged. If this continues why even have a Defense out there at all? Every player wears pads for safety. Last I checked a helmet was made of sturdy materials with quality padding. Back when I played ball we had NFL air bladders in our helmets like everybody in the NFL does. Goodell needs to back off or the players will stop giving a crap and take the fine. This will lead to contracts including clauses that make the team include fines in the overall contract. They won't assign that as a designator but we'll know that's what it is. In the end it's going to get somebody killed or permanently maimed. The NFL has not had a serious career ending injury in a VERY long time. I think that Steve was the last of what could be determined to be this type of injury. But that's why they get paid the contracts they get. It's not like back in the day when contracts were in the $10k range and everyone had to work an offseason job.

Sorry didn't mean to get off track. The point is that our Defense is still solid. But we get killed by one play type and then because our Defense is back on their heels and gassed they give up the occasional big play and the rules are being unfairly manipulated by the league. None of this demands for a change of Defensive philosophies. If anything the issue has only become clearer. Our Defense is typically solid against the Run and Opposing teams have adjusted to this by running more Screens and Play Action calls. So why do we change the philosophy when the answer is that we need to adjust to their adjustment and counter. Instead of running an all out blitz we should counter by throwing trap plays at them. We identify the screen, then set a trap by running a blitz to that side and have the ILB shift his focus to the backfield Receiver and have the Mike stay focused in the middle in Zone coverage.

But we can't do this because of one sticky point. Manusky is on the sideline where he cannot make this adjustment, because he cannot identify the play because he cannot see it. We're better than we give our Defense credit. Mike Lewis leaving made us better but it killed us at the same time cause we were forced to get Mays on the field more. Mays is talented but he's still a Rookie. He's going to make the occasional mistake. And that's going to hurt us. But if Manusky was in the booth like he should be it wouldn't hurt as much. Also the advantage in the booth is that the DC can verbally plan against us to the OC. So the OC can adjust his focus to what the Opposing Defense shows him. Why? Cause the DC can point out the Trap in the scheme. This helps the QB find the weak point of the attack and take advantage of it.

As someone said, it's Chess not Checkers.

~Ceadder

P.S. Does anyone know what the definition of "Former" is? There is no Rat in the building. The Rat is no longer a 49er. But that doesn't stop idiot writers from writing this stuff. It's been said time and again that FORMER 49ers players are making these statements.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's the worst coaching staff in the league which is picked by the worst ownership in the league.

And they play in worst stadium in the league and have the worst qb in the league.

Maybe on the stadium. There is actually worse QB's though. Ours is in the bottom 5 - 10 for sure.

Who's worse ?

Shaun Hill.

I think he's better then our guys but thats just a matter of opinion I guess. Also he is the second string.

Wow did you get drunk on spoiled KoolAid? Hill isn't better than any of our Guys. Our guys are just handcuffed to inept play calling, bad Line and crappy Receiving. Doesn't make them good, but by no means does that mean that Hill is better than any of them. Sadly you can't get past your man crush on the pie thrower.

~Ceadder

He out performed them when he was here.


btw

also aren't you the same guy that said Alex is better then Rivers ??

Hill didn't outperform anyone in Sing's system, he was struggling to get a first down.

His win loss record was better then anyone else on the roster.

I rest my case. W/L record doesn't say anything about how good or bad a QB is. Or don't you remember one Trent Dilfer? The Ravens Super Bowl season wasn't achieved on his arm until the final game of that season.

So stop pounding your chest about Shaun "Pie Thrower" Hill. He's over in Detroit now and what is his W/L record there? Nuff said I think.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's the worst coaching staff in the league which is picked by the worst ownership in the league.

And they play in worst stadium in the league and have the worst qb in the league.

Maybe on the stadium. There is actually worse QB's though. Ours is in the bottom 5 - 10 for sure.

Who's worse ?

Shaun Hill.

I think he's better then our guys but thats just a matter of opinion I guess. Also he is the second string.

Wow did you get drunk on spoiled KoolAid? Hill isn't better than any of our Guys. Our guys are just handcuffed to inept play calling, bad Line and crappy Receiving. Doesn't make them good, but by no means does that mean that Hill is better than any of them. Sadly you can't get past your man crush on the pie thrower.

~Ceadder

He out performed them when he was here.


btw

also aren't you the same guy that said Alex is better then Rivers ??

That's not what the stats say.

And I still believe that Alex IS a better QB than Rivers. You give Alex a quality play caller and he's pretty good. Of course he doesn't take chances. Cause our HC doesn't let him until we get behind on the scoreboard. His mechanics are superior to Rivers in every way. When he has the chance to plant his front foot he's as accurate. And his arm is just as strong. Even after just about having it knocked off his shoulder.

It's obvious that your judgement of #11 is clouded by our W/L record.

I'm not saying that Alex is the greatest ever. I'm just saying that he's been severely handicapped by inferior coaching, a bad Line and bad Receivers. And look what he's still been able to accomplish in the Red Zone. Oh speaking of Red Zone his stats there are better than Rivers too.

He's gone, let your hatred go. Otherwise it's going to eat at you from the inside out. I can see that it's already doing so.

I never agreed with the firing of Dan Reeves back when Elway was still playing. But one thing is for certain, SOMETIMES a change is necessary. Alex going someplace else is a good thing if he can do like Jeff did and find a capable coaching staff to latch onto. Cause this one is a joke. And I find it incredible that you(and others) act like Alex is the problem. Like you believe that we have superior parts of the whole and cutting the cord with Alex will fix everything. You probably thought the Line would be an Iron Curtain when we picked Iupati and Davis in the draft too.

~Ceadder

That statement right there pretty much says it all. If you truly believe that then there is no point in talking football with you.