Good stuff from Troy and Sing

Willis suggested that we could have got McNaab. Last year, in PHIL, his rating was 92.9. This year, in Shanihan's offense, he is 76.0 and struggling. Yet with that dismal performance, WASH is 4-4, meaning that the rest of the team plays a huge role in a team's success.

How do you think McNaab would have done here with Raye and our OL? He probably would have been carried out on a stretcher by now. McNaab is another example supporting my contention that a team has a huge effect on a QB's success.

Ghost you expressed disappointment that we did not bring in McCoy or draft Clausen. What have either done yet to prove they will be what you are looking for?

Ghost also listed a group of QBs that he felt would have been of suitable quality to be our future QB. Well, here they are this season:
Ryan 89.6
Freemen 87.1
Rodgers 85.3
Flacco 84.2
Sanchez 78.8
Stafford - he always seems hurt

This group of QBs ranges from 11th to 24th. I assume that if any of them were playing for Raye and behind our OL, etc, their ratings would be even lower - a scenario under which you would be calling for their head and wanting them cut.

At one point... Tim Rattay, Cody Pickett, Shaun Hill, Ken Dorsey, J.T. O'Sullivan, and Alex Smith looked like they'd be the second-coming of Montana, Young, or Garcia...

Until someone has a FULL season as starter where they have Pro Bowl numbers and take us to the playoffs, I'm holding my breathe in saying we have a franchise QB on our roster.

Originally posted by excelsior:
Willis suggested that we could have got McNaab. Last year, in PHIL, his rating was 92.9. This year, in Shanihan's offense, he is 76.0 and struggling. Yet with that dismal performance, WASH is 4-4, meaning that the rest of the team plays a huge role in a team's success.

How do you think McNaab would have done here with Raye and our OL? He probably would have been carried out on a stretcher by now. McNaab is another example supporting my contention that a team has a huge effect on a QB's success.

Ghost you expressed disappointment that we did not bring in McCoy or draft Clausen. What have either done yet to prove they will be what you are looking for?

Ghost also listed a group of QBs that he felt would have been of suitable quality to be our future QB. Well, here they are this season:
Ryan 89.6
Freemen 87.1
Rodgers 85.3
Flacco 84.2
Sanchez 78.8
Stafford - he always seems hurt

This group of QBs ranges from 11th to 24th. I assume that if any of them were playing for Raye and behind our OL, etc, their ratings would be even lower - a scenario under which you would be calling for their head and wanting them cut.

1.) You're high, dude. I never, ever expressed disappointment that we didn't bring in McCoy or Clausen. You completely and totally made that s**t up. I have no interest in McCoy or Clausen and wouldn't even want them over Alex Smith...that's how little I think of both. Do us all a favor here, stick to the facts and don't make s**t up.

2.) I said we haven't brought in a REAL, LEGITIMATE QB to compete with Alex since he was drafted. So it's not like we CAN'T find a QB; we haven't looked. That's my point.

3.) Yes, I would take any of the young QBs that I listed above over Alex Smith...in a heartbeat. I don't know how they would perform on this team and neither do you so don't pretend that you do. However, I did just see a castoff from Baltimore who hadn't started in 3 years and hardly knows the playbook, come in and put up a passer rating of 115.2 while beating a team 5000 miles from home. Given that, I'd take my chances with the guys above.

4.) There was a QB here in 1981 who (in his 3rd year) won a Super Bowl and had a passer rating of 88.4, which is comparable to most of the guys I listed. So the numbers you listed are perfectly fine for me...that is, unless you prefer the guy with the career passer rating of 70 (#11).

5.) All of that said, if the QB on my team isn't performing, isn't getting the job done and can't win games (especially after 6 years)...yes, I'll call for his head and want him to be cut. That's the nature of the game.

6.) Now, when it's all said and done, I personally don't care too much what my QB's passer rating is IN COMPARISON to the ability to win. Like anyone, I want my QB to put up good numbers, be accurate and have a good statistical season. BUT I WOULD TRADE ALL OF THAT IN A MINUTE for a QB who finds ways to put W's on the board. That's what impressed me about Troy Smith (and for the 2,000,000 time, I'm not crowning him). Whether it be luck/good fortune, big play ability or anything in between....if my QB finds ways to pull wins out of his arse, he will have my support. Stats be damned.

Originally posted by Wubbie:
At one point... Tim Rattay, Cody Pickett, Shaun Hill, Ken Dorsey, J.T. O'Sullivan, and Alex Smithlooked like they'd be the second-coming of Montana, Young, or Garcia...

Until someone has a FULL season as starter where they have Pro Bowl numbers and take us to the playoffs, I'm holding my breathe in saying we have a franchise QB on our roster.

Total BS.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
At one point... Tim Rattay, Cody Pickett, Shaun Hill, Ken Dorsey, J.T. O'Sullivan, and Alex Smithlooked like they'd be the second-coming of Montana, Young, or Garcia...

Until someone has a FULL season as starter where they have Pro Bowl numbers and take us to the playoffs, I'm holding my breathe in saying we have a franchise QB on our roster.

Total BS.

49ers on 3...1-2-3!

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by excelsior:
Ghost listed 12 QBs over a thirty year stretch. That's not even .5 QBs per year. It doesn't happen very often. Again, Ghost is looking at it simplistically. Did he not consider the effect of leaving a dysfunctional organization and going to a good organization who knew how to help that QB become successful?

Forgive me for not sifting through the history of the NFL and coming up with a more comprehensive list for you. And it was actually only 9, and not 12.

My point was a simple one (and I'll include the facts you failed to mention):

1.) Alex Smith's record as an NFL starting QB is 17-30
2.) I'm fairly confident we can find someone/anyone to match/exceed those numbers
3.) In response to your statement "As for free agents, what team in their right mind cuts a franchise QB loose?" Off the top of my head, I listed 9 QBs that were either released, traded or allowed to walk in free agency, that have put up amazing numbers. There are plenty more, but that's a good start given the number of HoFers, SB champs and all-time passer rating leaders that are in that list of 9.
4.) I didn't say that you should just consider signing a free agent (as if that was the only way...I said, "either through the draft or free agency."
5.) Fine, so you don't like free agency. Here's a list of recently drafted college QBs (last 5 years) that have either already led their teams to the playoffs or are putting up very good numbers and are well on their way to becoming franchise QBs:

- Vince Young (top rated passer in the NFL)
- Matt Ryan (led his team to the playoffs as a rookie)
- Mark Sanchez (on his way to leading his team to the playoffs 2 years in a row)
- Joe Flacco (led his team to the playoffs in his 2nd season)
- Josh Freeman (5-2 record, tied for 1st in the NFC South)
- Matthew Stafford (89.2 PR; would rank him 12th in the NFL if not for injury)
- Sam Bradford (4 wins as a starting QB; that's 3 more than Alex has this year)

That's not even counting guys like Kyle Orton (7th rated passer in the league) that were drafted in Alex's class like, or Eli Manning/Phillip Rivers who were drafted the year before, or Carson Palmer a few years earlier.

You act like it's impossible (or worse yet, even unnecessary) to find Alex's replacement. Btw, I realize this is a dysfunctional organization....but guess what, life is tough. You can either cry about it and find Alexcuses, or you can act like a man and win games in the face of it (see Troy Smith).

I like Troy but lets not crown his ass yet. Technically he's only win "game" in the face of it, not "games". Lets hope he can keep it up but Denver's not very good. I'm not going to get ultra excited like I did for Shaun Hill and JTO when they looked competent, because NFL DCs will get our film of what Troy Smith does and doesn't do well and they'll try to figure out how to stop him or contain him. Even last year Alex Smith looked like the answer for a few games/little while, than DCs exploited his weaknesses this year(took away the middle of the field) and he sucked. They did the same thing with Shaun Hill, they put 8 in the box and forced him to make tough throws. So lets wait a while until we say "ZOMG THIS DUDE IS BEAST". Hopefully he can be the 2nd coming of Garcia but he needs to prove himself a lot more.

Dude...how many times do I have to say it. NOBODY IS CROWNING TROY SMITH. I've said it in post after post...nobody in his right mind is crowning him. Just because I (or someone else) post something positive about TSmith, doesn't mean we think he's the next Joe. I seriously don't understand how people keep leaping to that assumption.

Well you act like he's already won multiple games, when you said "you can win games in the face of it like T. Smith". I like him, probably better than Alex Smith who I'm pretty much done with at this point, but we have been so horrible at finding good QBs ever since Garcia was let go that I'm not going to crown him yet. That's all I'm saying. He's won one game vs a bad team, hopefully he can win some more.

We're on the same page. You're just reading into what I'm saying for whatever reason. I'll say it one more time....nobody in his right mind would crown a guy after 1 win. My point was, Troy had a s**tload of adversity to face going against Denver, and he managed to win it. No excuses, no whining and no crying. That's the extent of my knowledge/projection of Troy Smith as a QB in the NFL.

Sounds good. Hopefully he can get the job done. I'm really torn because I don't think Singletary is a good coach, but I like T. Smith and most of our players. So I'm leery of if T. Smith wins a bunch of games but we don't make the playoffs, and then Sing keeps his job another year. I want to draft a guy this year atleast unless he leads an amazing 2nd half comeback.

Though I would love for us to win out the remaining 8 games, it's just not realistic. So my realistic hopes are:

1.) TSmith leads us to a 7-9 or 6-10 record
2.) Singletary gets fired
3.) We trade up to get a quality 1st round QB
4.) TSmith starts the 2011 season, keeping the seat warm for our franchise QB

Once can dream....

That'd be nice but it might mess up our draft pick. Then again, first round QBs would likely be Locker/Mallett and maybe Newton(although I don't really like him as a passer). Top 10 pick would maybe be too high for any of those guys.

Originally posted by Brazilian49er:
Leadership, shmlership. Just give me a QB that can hit receivers in stride.

This

Originally posted by susweel:
You guys are setting yourself up for a big let down with Troy. I know he may seem like new shiny toy compared to the old beat up broke down one.

LOL! Why are people so scared of disappointment? Alex Smith is no longer the starter and the new starter isn't Carr. That's reason enough to celebrate!

Originally posted by mufasa76:

Originally posted by Brazilian49er:
Leadership, shmlership. Just give me a QB that can hit receivers in stride.

This

You can actually have both.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by mufasa76:

Originally posted by Brazilian49er:
Leadership, shmlership. Just give me a QB that can hit receivers in stride.

This

You can actually have both.

But that would be like trying to cross-breed venison with trout. Would you eat that?

Originally posted by BleedRandG:
http://www.49ers.com/media-gallery/videos/London-Postgame-Locker-Room/8c733251-53d1-4b04-8d5a-3da7716329bc

I cannot help but think that Troy is going to be a good one. He only has one start under his belt and he already has the team behind him. If Alex were smart he would take notes on what Troy does as a leader. One week. It is too early to say that Troy is the future(infact its about 8 games too early) but the man is off to a damn good start!

1 game and all this glory against a beat up Denver team that the raiders scored 59 on . Next year maybe we will get a new HC and QB and a solid Rec , and maybe a good OL player .Now that is some good stuff that would be coming from SF .

Originally posted by susweel:
You guys are setting yourself up for a big let down with Troy. I know he may seem like new shiny toy compared to the old beat up broke down one.

you could potentially be right, and maybe even probably. But it sure feels good right now.

Originally posted by Shaj:

you could potentially be right, and maybe even probably. But it sure feels good right now.

Nothing wrong with excitement without expectation.

I was excited to watch him before the last game. I didn't expect him to play well. I'm even more excited to watch him in the next game. I still don't expect him to play well.

If he has a great game... YAY! If he doesn't... it was worth a try.

I'll bet my own two nuts that Troy will be the first 49ers QB since Montana to win at Lambeau next month.