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Originally posted by Shaj:
Sam Bradford - 101.2 passer rating on third downs
Matt Hasselbeck - 76.5
Derek Anderson - 63.6
Max Hall - 55.1
Alex Smith - 54.8
Troy Smith is not ranked because he does not have enough stats to be meaningful.
Oh, and Shaun Hill is 88.7 in third down passer rating with the Lions this year.
link to ESPN analysis
Originally posted by 76Razor:Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by 76Razor:Biggest difference is that though the Rams have Steven Jackson, though don't always run him up the gut on first and second downs and then expect the QB to bail them out on 3rd down. The play calling itself has been the biggest problem on 3rd down, not the QB.Originally posted by Shaj:
Sam Bradford - 101.2 passer rating on third downs
Matt Hasselbeck - 76.5
Derek Anderson - 63.6
Max Hall - 55.1
Alex Smith - 54.8
Troy Smith is not ranked because he does not have enough stats to be meaningful.
Oh, and Shaun Hill is 88.7 in third down passer rating with the Lions this year.
link to ESPN analysis
this is a great stat to stare at and realize that we have issues, thanks. but what sucks is your planted smiley face. see, this is the kinda gloating that sucks. BTW i am not an alex fan or hater.
The Rams are a MUCH better team than most Niner fans here realize. I fear the next game against them may not go well. Their defense is VERY good - designed by one of the best defensive minds in the game. Spag is also bright enough to turn the offense over to Andy Reid disciple Pat Shurmur. They are playing very well and should not be taken lightly. It will be a BIG win if the 49ers beat them.
No, we are bad because we don't have a QB who can help the offense like Bradford does.
As to the bold:
Steven Jackson: 3.9 per carry for 2 TDs, 17 catches, 169 yds at 9.9 per, 0 receiving TDs.
Frank Gore: 4.2 per carry for 2 TDS, 38 catches, 348 yds at 9.2 per, 2 receiving TDs.
So, by these stats, it appears that Bradford is probably in worse 3rd down situations.
If you want to point to your other usual reason which is WRs:
Rams:
Best receiver: 2nd year 6 foot 210 pounder who has only 228 yards
#2: 4 year 6'2" 197 with 75 yards
#3: rookie 6'5" 215 with 78 yards
Guess who their starting TE is: Billy Bajema (need I say more)
Bradford has been sacked 17 times.
all very telling signs. stats (in this case) tell the awful truth. however, can we say that coaching/play calling is a factor? predictability? let's see where stats are at with t smith, when available-if available.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
I'd be more interested in seeing the % of these 3rd downs in relation to yards to go conversion. Sure seems like Alex was in an awful lot of 3rd and longs... which we all know are far more difficult to convert when in conjunction to a poor pass blocking OL and very average receivers.
Originally posted by Marvin49:Originally posted by Shaj:
Sam Bradford - 101.2 passer rating on third downs
Matt Hasselbeck - 76.5
Derek Anderson - 63.6
Max Hall - 55.1
Alex Smith - 54.8
Troy Smith is not ranked because he does not have enough stats to be meaningful.
Oh, and Shaun Hill is 88.7 in third down passer rating with the Lions this year.
link to ESPN analysis
Not to get in the way of a good story, I wonder what those #'s look like after Mike Johnson took over as the OC. I'll bet its a BIG difference.
Originally posted by HessianDud:Originally posted by Shaj:Originally posted by HessianDud:
this should go in NFL talk or the Alex Smith thread.
I have an idea, let's just have one monolithic thread called "Official: 49ers thread" and we post everything in there.
Me thinks you want to sweep dirt under a carpet someplace.
seriously, this is kind of pathological with you. Focus on something else on the team for awhile. Alex is standing on the sideline with his arm in a sling, so who cares what his 3rd down passing stats are?
And, not to be all forum police on you, but this really could go in a number of other threads, or in NFL talk. It adds nothing new to the discussion of the 49ers and only clutters up the boards with more unnecessary arguments about a QB who isn't even playing right now, when there are a lot of other problems/issues with the team that could be talked about. But some people only want to talk about the QB, or that is all they are able to talk about. One QB. On a team with 53 players.
Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by fanmusclecars:
Give Sam Bradford some weapons Rams would dominate the NFC West for the next decade. Scouts were right comparing him to Peyton Manning.
Even the Rams D has showed up this season.
It's crucial we "hit it out of the ball park" come April.
No no no don't give that kid any more weapons!!!!
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Raye was the OC during this season's first three games. The Niners converted 10 of 41 third downs under Raye. That is 24 percent. Not too good. Mike Johnson has been the IC the past three games. The Niners have converted 21 of 42 first downs under Johnson. That is 50 percent. Very good.
With Raye, Smith had an overall QB rating of 66.2. His rating on third down was 31.6 (15 of 33, 154 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT). With Johnson, Smith has an overall rating of 82.7. His rating on third down is 72.7 (18 of 32, 202 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT). With Raye, nine of Smith's 15 third-down completions (60%) did not result in a first down. With Johnson, four of Smith's 18 third-down completions (22%) haven't resulted in a first down. It's very annoying when QBs complete third-down passes short of a first down. Don't you think? It's been said that the Niners have done a better job of putting themselves in "more manageable" third-down situations under Johnson. Kind of. Under Johnson, 17 of their 42 third downs (40%) have been in third-and-short (less than five yards). Under Raye, 14 of their 41 third downs (34%) were in third-and-short.
Originally posted by Shaj:Originally posted by HessianDud:Originally posted by Shaj:Originally posted by HessianDud:
this should go in NFL talk or the Alex Smith thread.
I have an idea, let's just have one monolithic thread called "Official: 49ers thread" and we post everything in there.
Me thinks you want to sweep dirt under a carpet someplace.
seriously, this is kind of pathological with you. Focus on something else on the team for awhile. Alex is standing on the sideline with his arm in a sling, so who cares what his 3rd down passing stats are?
And, not to be all forum police on you, but this really could go in a number of other threads, or in NFL talk. It adds nothing new to the discussion of the 49ers and only clutters up the boards with more unnecessary arguments about a QB who isn't even playing right now, when there are a lot of other problems/issues with the team that could be talked about. But some people only want to talk about the QB, or that is all they are able to talk about. One QB. On a team with 53 players.
It is pathological with me, I agree. I'm pissed that all but about 3 zoners ignored the blatant warning signs for 5 years. You guys are frustrated with this clown's play for 2 months. There's no comparison.
But this is new info, so that's why it's not trolling. If it's new enough for ESPN to write about it, it's new enough for us to talk about.
Originally posted by BirdmanJr:
Bradford is going to own us for years to come if we don't get our s**t together
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Yes, here it is... now what, haters?
http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2010/10/move-the-chains-niners-converting-under-new-oc.html
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Raye was the OC during this season's first three games. The Niners converted 10 of 41 third downs under Raye. That is 24 percent. Not too good. Mike Johnson has been the IC the past three games. The Niners have converted 21 of 42 first downs under Johnson. That is 50 percent. Very good.
With Raye, Smith had an overall QB rating of 66.2. His rating on third down was 31.6 (15 of 33, 154 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT). With Johnson, Smith has an overall rating of 82.7. His rating on third down is 72.7 (18 of 32, 202 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT). With Raye, nine of Smith's 15 third-down completions (60%) did not result in a first down. With Johnson, four of Smith's 18 third-down completions (22%) haven't resulted in a first down. It's very annoying when QBs complete third-down passes short of a first down. Don't you think? It's been said that the Niners have done a better job of putting themselves in "more manageable" third-down situations under Johnson. Kind of. Under Johnson, 17 of their 42 third downs (40%) have been in third-and-short (less than five yards). Under Raye, 14 of their 41 third downs (34%) were in third-and-short.
Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by oldman9er:
Yes, here it is... now what, haters?
http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2010/10/move-the-chains-niners-converting-under-new-oc.html
Quote:
Raye was the OC during this season's first three games. The Niners converted 10 of 41 third downs under Raye. That is 24 percent. Not too good. Mike Johnson has been the IC the past three games. The Niners have converted 21 of 42 first downs under Johnson. That is 50 percent. Very good.
With Raye, Smith had an overall QB rating of 66.2. His rating on third down was 31.6 (15 of 33, 154 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT). With Johnson, Smith has an overall rating of 82.7. His rating on third down is 72.7 (18 of 32, 202 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT). With Raye, nine of Smith's 15 third-down completions (60%) did not result in a first down. With Johnson, four of Smith's 18 third-down completions (22%) haven't resulted in a first down. It's very annoying when QBs complete third-down passes short of a first down. Don't you think? It's been said that the Niners have done a better job of putting themselves in "more manageable" third-down situations under Johnson. Kind of. Under Johnson, 17 of their 42 third downs (40%) have been in third-and-short (less than five yards). Under Raye, 14 of their 41 third downs (34%) were in third-and-short.
Well we all know Johnson is a better OC.
Now think how much better he will look with Troy Smith than Alex Smith.
Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by oldman9er:
Yes, here it is... now what, haters?
http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2010/10/move-the-chains-niners-converting-under-new-oc.html
Quote:
Raye was the OC during this season's first three games. The Niners converted 10 of 41 third downs under Raye. That is 24 percent. Not too good. Mike Johnson has been the IC the past three games. The Niners have converted 21 of 42 first downs under Johnson. That is 50 percent. Very good.
With Raye, Smith had an overall QB rating of 66.2. His rating on third down was 31.6 (15 of 33, 154 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT). With Johnson, Smith has an overall rating of 82.7. His rating on third down is 72.7 (18 of 32, 202 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT). With Raye, nine of Smith's 15 third-down completions (60%) did not result in a first down. With Johnson, four of Smith's 18 third-down completions (22%) haven't resulted in a first down. It's very annoying when QBs complete third-down passes short of a first down. Don't you think? It's been said that the Niners have done a better job of putting themselves in "more manageable" third-down situations under Johnson. Kind of. Under Johnson, 17 of their 42 third downs (40%) have been in third-and-short (less than five yards). Under Raye, 14 of their 41 third downs (34%) were in third-and-short.
Well we all know Johnson is a better OC.
Now think how much better he will look with Troy Smith than Alex Smith.
Originally posted by Marvin49:Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by oldman9er:
Yes, here it is... now what, haters?
http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2010/10/move-the-chains-niners-converting-under-new-oc.html
Quote:
Raye was the OC during this season's first three games. The Niners converted 10 of 41 third downs under Raye. That is 24 percent. Not too good. Mike Johnson has been the IC the past three games. The Niners have converted 21 of 42 first downs under Johnson. That is 50 percent. Very good.
With Raye, Smith had an overall QB rating of 66.2. His rating on third down was 31.6 (15 of 33, 154 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT). With Johnson, Smith has an overall rating of 82.7. His rating on third down is 72.7 (18 of 32, 202 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT). With Raye, nine of Smith's 15 third-down completions (60%) did not result in a first down. With Johnson, four of Smith's 18 third-down completions (22%) haven't resulted in a first down. It's very annoying when QBs complete third-down passes short of a first down. Don't you think? It's been said that the Niners have done a better job of putting themselves in "more manageable" third-down situations under Johnson. Kind of. Under Johnson, 17 of their 42 third downs (40%) have been in third-and-short (less than five yards). Under Raye, 14 of their 41 third downs (34%) were in third-and-short.
Well we all know Johnson is a better OC.
Now think how much better he will look with Troy Smith than Alex Smith.
I'd love it if Troy was much better, but lets not make the assumption he's better. ONE game is a very small sample size and Troys stats look alot different if Walker doesn't catch that prayer throw at the one.
Don't get me wrong...I'd LOVE it if Troy because the next great QB for the Niners, but saying he's better than Smith right now is kinda ludicrous. Its ONE game.
