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What if Alex Smith was drafted by Andy Reid?

  • ZRF80
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Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Not even close.

Alex's biggest flaw is his inconsistency. This is not something we have seen only this year. This has been the focal point of his career, despite playing in numerous systems. And although a lot may come out and say that the systems themselves were the problem and/or the fact that Alex never had any continuity in any of them, that theory was debunked this season when.......despite having the SAME OC, the SAME playbook, and SAME player personnel.......Alex continued to be inconsistent.

Andy Reid would not have changed that.

no need to comment on your post on the football logic .
and the guy who designed that SAME playbook which was so good and consistent is...















gone...


Maybe THAT kind of consistency wasn't so good afterall.

So our QB couldnt play with a different playbook every year. And he is apparently couldnt play with the same playbook every year. So what does that tell you about the QB ?
  • titan
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I think he would be a little better. I think Ried is a good head coach and can cover alot of Alex's weakness with good paly calling.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by nw9erfan:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Not even close.

Alex's biggest flaw is his inconsistency. This is not something we have seen only this year. This has been the focal point of his career, despite playing in numerous systems. And although a lot may come out and say that the systems themselves were the problem and/or the fact that Alex never had any continuity in any of them, that theory was debunked this season when.......despite having the SAME OC, the SAME playbook, and SAME player personnel.......Alex continued to be inconsistent.

Andy Reid would not have changed that.

Totally disagree... To me, the problems with Smith are as follows...

1) Organization in disarray....7 OCs already in his career and another to come.
2) Expectations. Smith came out early and was too immature to take control of a team right away.
3) Like many young QBs that come to a bad team, a bad OL helped give Smith an unhealthy fear of getting pummeled, which he was repeatedly in his first few years.
4) No real support from Nolan, the coach who drafted him.
5) No OC that has really tried to fit the Niner's offense to Smith's strengths. For example, Smith would probably do well with the Patriots or Saints because they tend to spread out their receivers more.

There are other reasons obviously and don't take the above reasons as excuses for Smith's poor play. My point is that Reid is an intelligent coach and would have recognized Smith's strengths and tried to take advantage of them, especially his mobility. The Eagles are one of the most stable NFL franchises and wouldn't have put the pressure on Smith early, would have tried to ease him in to the league, would have supported him, and would have groomed him so he wasn't prone to inconsistent play.
On the subject of organization; Mike Holmgren noted how detailed and organized Reid was even in his early days as an assistant on Holmgren's GB staff. He asked tons of questions and took meticulous notes, leaving nothing out. He was constantly looking at play design and schemes, constantly revising, leaving out old plays that didn't work and replacing them with new ones.

Holmgren credits Reid's work with Brett Favre in 1997 as QB coach as playing a large role in the polishing of Favre into a more controlled and consistent player. It led to a SB victory and MVP. Until then, Favre was an uncontrolled gunslinger.

Favre and Alex are extreme opposites. There's really no comparision between the two in any way shape or form.
  • jrg
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then he would play for the Eagles
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Not even close.

Alex's biggest flaw is his inconsistency. This is not something we have seen only this year. This has been the focal point of his career, despite playing in numerous systems. And although a lot may come out and say that the systems themselves were the problem and/or the fact that Alex never had any continuity in any of them, that theory was debunked this season when.......despite having the SAME OC, the SAME playbook, and SAME player personnel.......Alex continued to be inconsistent.

Andy Reid would not have changed that.

no need to comment on your post on the football logic .
and the guy who designed that SAME playbook which was so good and consistent is...















gone...


Maybe THAT kind of consistency wasn't so good afterall.

So our QB couldnt play with a different playbook every year. And he is apparently couldnt play with the same playbook every year. So what does that tell you about the QB ?

Come on that is such stupid logic. First of all you didn't even write a coherent sentence (I'm not even talking about the free "is" that was obviously a typo). How can somebody play with a different playbook every year, and then play with the same playbook every year?

Smith has played with a different OC every year of his career. The offense has changed almost as often. The playcalling has also changed. Nothing has been debunked. Smith still has never had consistency. You would look much smarter if you just accepted that fact instead of trying to argue. Smith has not performed well, for the most part over his career, but there are legitimate reasons (some coming from Smith himself, and some circumstances outside of his control) why things have not gone well for him in SF. It is therefore logical to suppose that when placed in a better situation Smith has a decent chance of being better.

Anyway, your posts continue to be a joke.
  • dj43
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Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by nw9erfan:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Not even close.

Alex's biggest flaw is his inconsistency. This is not something we have seen only this year. This has been the focal point of his career, despite playing in numerous systems. And although a lot may come out and say that the systems themselves were the problem and/or the fact that Alex never had any continuity in any of them, that theory was debunked this season when.......despite having the SAME OC, the SAME playbook, and SAME player personnel.......Alex continued to be inconsistent.

Andy Reid would not have changed that.

Totally disagree... To me, the problems with Smith are as follows...

1) Organization in disarray....7 OCs already in his career and another to come.
2) Expectations. Smith came out early and was too immature to take control of a team right away.
3) Like many young QBs that come to a bad team, a bad OL helped give Smith an unhealthy fear of getting pummeled, which he was repeatedly in his first few years.
4) No real support from Nolan, the coach who drafted him.
5) No OC that has really tried to fit the Niner's offense to Smith's strengths. For example, Smith would probably do well with the Patriots or Saints because they tend to spread out their receivers more.

There are other reasons obviously and don't take the above reasons as excuses for Smith's poor play. My point is that Reid is an intelligent coach and would have recognized Smith's strengths and tried to take advantage of them, especially his mobility. The Eagles are one of the most stable NFL franchises and wouldn't have put the pressure on Smith early, would have tried to ease him in to the league, would have supported him, and would have groomed him so he wasn't prone to inconsistent play.
On the subject of organization; Mike Holmgren noted how detailed and organized Reid was even in his early days as an assistant on Holmgren's GB staff. He asked tons of questions and took meticulous notes, leaving nothing out. He was constantly looking at play design and schemes, constantly revising, leaving out old plays that didn't work and replacing them with new ones.

Holmgren credits Reid's work with Brett Favre in 1997 as QB coach as playing a large role in the polishing of Favre into a more controlled and consistent player. It led to a SB victory and MVP. Until then, Favre was an uncontrolled gunslinger.

Favre and Alex are extreme opposites. There's really no comparision between the two in any way shape or form.
The comparison was in the area of consistency.

Since leaving Green Bay and the system Holmgren/Reid instilled in him, Favre has largely regressed to the old inconsistent ways.
He'd be a lot better, a lot.
  • dj43
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Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Not even close.

Alex's biggest flaw is his inconsistency. This is not something we have seen only this year. This has been the focal point of his career, despite playing in numerous systems. And although a lot may come out and say that the systems themselves were the problem and/or the fact that Alex never had any continuity in any of them, that theory was debunked this season when.......despite having the SAME OC, the SAME playbook, and SAME player personnel.......Alex continued to be inconsistent.

Andy Reid would not have changed that.

no need to comment on your post on the football logic .
and the guy who designed that SAME playbook which was so good and consistent is...















gone...


Maybe THAT kind of consistency wasn't so good afterall.

So our QB couldnt play with a different playbook every year. And he is apparently couldnt play with the same playbook every year. So what does that tell you about the QB ?
Smith played with the playbook this year. The problem was the playbook was so bad, even the HC who insisted on that playbook was forced to fire the guy he hired to author it. What does that tell you?
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Not even close.

Alex's biggest flaw is his inconsistency. This is not something we have seen only this year. This has been the focal point of his career, despite playing in numerous systems. And although a lot may come out and say that the systems themselves were the problem and/or the fact that Alex never had any continuity in any of them, that theory was debunked this season when.......despite having the SAME OC, the SAME playbook, and SAME player personnel.......Alex continued to be inconsistent.

Andy Reid would not have changed that.

no need to comment on your post on the football logic .
and the guy who designed that SAME playbook which was so good and consistent is...















gone...


Maybe THAT kind of consistency wasn't so good afterall.

So our QB couldnt play with a different playbook every year. And he is apparently couldnt play with the same playbook every year. So what does that tell you about the QB ?
Smith played with the playbook this year. The problem was the playbook was so bad, even the HC who insisted on that playbook was forced to fire the guy he hired to author it. What does that tell you?

Love how people fail to see this.
  • dj43
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Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Not even close.

Alex's biggest flaw is his inconsistency. This is not something we have seen only this year. This has been the focal point of his career, despite playing in numerous systems. And although a lot may come out and say that the systems themselves were the problem and/or the fact that Alex never had any continuity in any of them, that theory was debunked this season when.......despite having the SAME OC, the SAME playbook, and SAME player personnel.......Alex continued to be inconsistent.

Andy Reid would not have changed that.

no need to comment on your post on the football logic .
and the guy who designed that SAME playbook which was so good and consistent is...















gone...


Maybe THAT kind of consistency wasn't so good afterall.

So our QB couldnt play with a different playbook every year. And he is apparently couldnt play with the same playbook every year. So what does that tell you about the QB ?
Here is my breakdown on the order of responsibility as I posted it in the Holy Cow thread.
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Coaching = 35%, including OC.

QB = 30%

OL = 20%

WR = 15%

All of these percentages influence one another of course, but this is where I see the starting points.
  • fly15
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Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
He would be in the top 5 in QB rating, touch downs etc.

UFL or Arena football, yes
  • dj43
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Originally posted by fly15:
Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
He would be in the top 5 in QB rating, touch downs etc.

UFL or Arena football, yes

You never miss a chance, do you?
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
OF COURSE he could have been a better QB. The same thing could be said for 80% of the QBs in the league and re: Reid's tutelage.

A pro-bowler? no way anybody could know that. I don't think so but maybe?

fwiw I think that all things being equal he's (or at one point could have been) a more skilled QB than Kevin Kolb.

One thing worth noting is that 9ers fans are the only people with even a passing interest in football who blamed Alex Smith for our offensive problems this year. Everyone from our coaches, to our other offensive players, to a ream of commentators saw less problems in Smith than in other things effecting the offense (getting plays in on time the first two games, crabs being responsibly for 4 ints, two rookie o-lineman playing like rookie o-lineman, teams calling out our plays before we ran them until Raye was fired, etc).

Not saying Alex was great, but nobody is as hard on him as 9ers "fans."


You are wrong. Go watch any 49er pregame show, and most commentators start from Alex Smith, then work their way to the team's other problems. Even before the season began, they had a Sunday night preseason game between Minn-SF, and both Al Michaels and Chris Collingsworth acknowledged that the team had a lot of potential to make noise in the NFC, but that would depend on the play of Alex Smith. They did the same during the Phil-SF game, where Collingsworth poibted out NUMEROUS occasions where Smith failed to make a play.

If anything, Niner fans have been more lenient with Smith than anyone else. Remember the pregame show on MNF before the NO-SF matchup ? Berman, Carter, Keyshawn, and Tom Jackson were laughing when discussing Alex Smith. How can you still be wondering after 6 years whether or not your QB is the future of the franchise (was the gist of their conversation) ?

You're leaving out the time that Collinsworth said that if the 49ers cut smith there would be 31 teams racing to sign him, and Michaels immediately agreed.
The reason of this thread is not to discuss Alex's flaws. We already all know them and discussed the hell out of them over the years. I brought this up because I don't think there is any other coach in this league that could have made gold out of Kolb. I think Kolb is pretty average and he is only succeeding because of Reid's system and tutilage. I would bet anything if the Eagles let Kolb go and keep Vick, he will not succeed anywhere else. He is like another Matt Cassell to me. The Chiefs have had Cassell for 3 years now and he still isn't doing that great. The Chiefs are winning, but it's not because of him. I personally think Reid could have made Alex a great QB if he could make a guy like Kolb a good one.