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What if Alex Smith was drafted by Andy Reid?

  • ZRF80
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Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
OF COURSE he could have been a better QB. The same thing could be said for 80% of the QBs in the league and re: Reid's tutelage.

A pro-bowler? no way anybody could know that. I don't think so but maybe?

fwiw I think that all things being equal he's (or at one point could have been) a more skilled QB than Kevin Kolb.

One thing worth noting is that 9ers fans are the only people with even a passing interest in football who blamed Alex Smith for our offensive problems this year. Everyone from our coaches, to our other offensive players, to a ream of commentators saw less problems in Smith than in other things effecting the offense (getting plays in on time the first two games, crabs being responsibly for 4 ints, two rookie o-lineman playing like rookie o-lineman, teams calling out our plays before we ran them until Raye was fired, etc).

Not saying Alex was great, but nobody is as hard on him as 9ers "fans."


You are wrong. Go watch any 49er pregame show, and most commentators start from Alex Smith, then work their way to the team's other problems. Even before the season began, they had a Sunday night preseason game between Minn-SF, and both Al Michaels and Chris Collingsworth acknowledged that the team had a lot of potential to make noise in the NFC, but that would depend on the play of Alex Smith. They did the same during the Phil-SF game, where Collingsworth poibted out NUMEROUS occasions where Smith failed to make a play.

If anything, Niner fans have been more lenient with Smith than anyone else. Remember the pregame show on MNF before the NO-SF matchup ? Berman, Carter, Keyshawn, and Tom Jackson were laughing when discussing Alex Smith. How can you still be wondering after 6 years whether or not your QB is the future of the franchise (was the gist of their conversation) ?
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Not even close.

Alex's biggest flaw is his inconsistency. This is not something we have seen only this year. This has been the focal point of his career, despite playing in numerous systems. And although a lot may come out and say that the systems themselves were the problem and/or the fact that Alex never had any continuity in any of them, that theory was debunked this season when.......despite having the SAME OC, the SAME playbook, and SAME player personnel.......Alex continued to be inconsistent.

Andy Reid would not have changed that.

no need to comment on your post on the football logic .
  • ZRF80
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Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
Originally posted by susweel:
He would have been cut by year 3.

Troll feeding again I see .

Quote:
He would be in the top 5 in QB rating, touch downs etc.

How are your comments any different ?
  • ZRF80
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Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Not even close.

Alex's biggest flaw is his inconsistency. This is not something we have seen only this year. This has been the focal point of his career, despite playing in numerous systems. And although a lot may come out and say that the systems themselves were the problem and/or the fact that Alex never had any continuity in any of them, that theory was debunked this season when.......despite having the SAME OC, the SAME playbook, and SAME player personnel.......Alex continued to be inconsistent.

Andy Reid would not have changed that.

no need to comment on your post on the football logic .

Good answer......shut me up.
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Not even close.

Alex's biggest flaw is his inconsistency. This is not something we have seen only this year. This has been the focal point of his career, despite playing in numerous systems. And although a lot may come out and say that the systems themselves were the problem and/or the fact that Alex never had any continuity in any of them, that theory was debunked this season when.......despite having the SAME OC, the SAME playbook, and SAME player personnel.......Alex continued to be inconsistent.

Andy Reid would not have changed that.

Totally disagree... To me, the problems with Smith are as follows...

1) Organization in disarray....7 OCs already in his career and another to come.
2) Expectations. Smith came out early and was too immature to take control of a team right away.
3) Like many young QBs that come to a bad team, a bad OL helped give Smith an unhealthy fear of getting pummeled, which he was repeatedly in his first few years.
4) No real support from Nolan, the coach who drafted him.
5) No OC that has really tried to fit the Niner's offense to Smith's strengths. For example, Smith would probably do well with the Patriots or Saints because they tend to spread out their receivers more.

There are other reasons obviously and don't take the above reasons as excuses for Smith's poor play. My point is that Reid is an intelligent coach and would have recognized Smith's strengths and tried to take advantage of them, especially his mobility. The Eagles are one of the most stable NFL franchises and wouldn't have put the pressure on Smith early, would have tried to ease him in to the league, would have supported him, and would have groomed him so he wasn't prone to inconsistent play.
Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
Originally posted by susweel:
He would have been cut by year 3.

Troll feeding again I see .

Andy Reid aint no fool, he wont keep around crappy qb for 6 years.


First of all Andy Reid would never even draft a QB like Smith.
Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
Originally posted by susweel:
He would have been cut by year 3.

Troll feeding again I see .

His oppinion is just as valuable as yours, maybe even more cause we know he's followed the team on here for a few years...
We all saw how good he looked running the West Coast offense in his first season under Mcarthy, so I think it is safe to say he would not have panned out. Reid like Mcarthy runs a West Coast, so drop backs, footwork and timing are all very critical to them, These are some of Alex's biggest weaknesses, hence the call from his fans for more spread.

Alex is not a drop-back passer so he would have been gone PDQ (pretty damn quick)
Originally posted by HessianDud:
no way to know, obviously, but that would have been a clearly better situation so one can only imagine that Smith would have performed better and more consistently when given a chance in a real, stable offensive system.

Agree. We don't know, however Reid is a very QB friendly guy and has a great temperment around his players. His modified WCO is also much easier than most other offenses. I have no doubt that Smith would have become a much better player much sooner had he been under Reid's tutelege.
Originally posted by hofer36:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Not even close.

Alex's biggest flaw is his inconsistency. This is not something we have seen only this year. This has been the focal point of his career, despite playing in numerous systems. And although a lot may come out and say that the systems themselves were the problem and/or the fact that Alex never had any continuity in any of them, that theory was debunked this season when.......despite having the SAME OC, the SAME playbook, and SAME player personnel.......Alex continued to be inconsistent.

Andy Reid would not have changed that.

could be a niner talk first, but i think we have a point that an alex "lover" and an alex "hater" can agree upon...alex's biggest flaw is his inconsistency...i think better coaching could make him more consistent...

it is like bill walsh's drafting philosphy--he used to ask the scouts to que up film of a prospects 5 best and 5 worst plays...if he was intrigued by the 5 best, he would consider the propspect, trusting that he and his staff could coach the better plays out of the player

and btw smith probably wouldnt have been a great fit for reid, as the WCO is not the offense for Alex
Why does everyone think the WCO is so hard to play?

It is not. Reid's version is even easier than most any other. Reid kept most of the similar sets and refined the options.
Pro Bowl starter by year 3 or 4
Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Not even close.

Alex's biggest flaw is his inconsistency. This is not something we have seen only this year. This has been the focal point of his career, despite playing in numerous systems. And although a lot may come out and say that the systems themselves were the problem and/or the fact that Alex never had any continuity in any of them, that theory was debunked this season when.......despite having the SAME OC, the SAME playbook, and SAME player personnel.......Alex continued to be inconsistent.

Andy Reid would not have changed that.

no need to comment on your post on the football logic .
and the guy who designed that SAME playbook which was so good and consistent is...















gone...


Maybe THAT kind of consistency wasn't so good afterall.
Originally posted by susweel:
He would have been cut by year 3.
Originally posted by nw9erfan:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Not even close.

Alex's biggest flaw is his inconsistency. This is not something we have seen only this year. This has been the focal point of his career, despite playing in numerous systems. And although a lot may come out and say that the systems themselves were the problem and/or the fact that Alex never had any continuity in any of them, that theory was debunked this season when.......despite having the SAME OC, the SAME playbook, and SAME player personnel.......Alex continued to be inconsistent.

Andy Reid would not have changed that.

Totally disagree... To me, the problems with Smith are as follows...

1) Organization in disarray....7 OCs already in his career and another to come.
2) Expectations. Smith came out early and was too immature to take control of a team right away.
3) Like many young QBs that come to a bad team, a bad OL helped give Smith an unhealthy fear of getting pummeled, which he was repeatedly in his first few years.
4) No real support from Nolan, the coach who drafted him.
5) No OC that has really tried to fit the Niner's offense to Smith's strengths. For example, Smith would probably do well with the Patriots or Saints because they tend to spread out their receivers more.

There are other reasons obviously and don't take the above reasons as excuses for Smith's poor play. My point is that Reid is an intelligent coach and would have recognized Smith's strengths and tried to take advantage of them, especially his mobility. The Eagles are one of the most stable NFL franchises and wouldn't have put the pressure on Smith early, would have tried to ease him in to the league, would have supported him, and would have groomed him so he wasn't prone to inconsistent play.
On the subject of organization; Mike Holmgren noted how detailed and organized Reid was even in his early days as an assistant on Holmgren's GB staff. He asked tons of questions and took meticulous notes, leaving nothing out. He was constantly looking at play design and schemes, constantly revising, leaving out old plays that didn't work and replacing them with new ones.

Holmgren credits Reid's work with Brett Favre in 1997 as QB coach as playing a large role in the polishing of Favre into a more controlled and consistent player. It led to a SB victory and MVP. Until then, Favre was an uncontrolled gunslinger.
Originally posted by rxrunner:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Andy Reid would have eaten him