What if Alex Smith was drafted by Andy Reid?

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Originally posted by ApatheticIAm:

Originally posted by Shaj:
he would have been cut in 2007 or 2008, injury or no injury.

/thread

I think you are wrong. If Reid can make Kolb a good QB, then I think he could have done the same with Smith. When given time, Smith can make some nice throws. His consistency sucks, but I think Reid would have smoothed out that wrinkle in his game.

Sorry he is dead on correct, In the The West cost offense a QB has to be able to play under center, the timing of the short pass routes is synced to footwork of the Qb in his drop back. Alex was horrible in Mike Macarthy's West coast offense his rookie year, remember?

The overall talent on that team was considered to be less than on most first-year expansion teams. That year is not a good example of anything.

yeah. and why would he have been cut in 2007?

anyway, this all assumes that Smith would have been the starter during his entire tenure in Philly (in this alternate reality we're debating, for some reason) and he clearly would not have been. Based on how Reid handled bringing Kolb along, Smith would have sat behind McNabb until at least 2008. His career path would have been entirely different and there's no way to know what would have happened.

This "debate" does nothing new. Smith-haters will imagine that Smith and the entire situation around him would have unfolded exactly as it did here. Smith-supporters will imagine that a place like Philly would have given Smith everything he didn't have here, and so he would have been the QB he was drafted to be. And on and on, with no resolution, forever.

smith has and always had poor footwork and mechanics...for that reason alone a Walsh/WCO guy like Reid wouldn't have drafted him.

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Originally posted by ApatheticIAm:

Originally posted by Shaj:
he would have been cut in 2007 or 2008, injury or no injury.

/thread

I think you are wrong. If Reid can make Kolb a good QB, then I think he could have done the same with Smith. When given time, Smith can make some nice throws. His consistency sucks, but I think Reid would have smoothed out that wrinkle in his game.

Sorry he is dead on correct, In the The West cost offense a QB has to be able to play under center, the timing of the short pass routes is synced to footwork of the Qb in his drop back. Alex was horrible in Mike Macarthy's West coast offense his rookie year, remember?

The overall talent on that team was considered to be less than on most first-year expansion teams. That year is not a good example of anything.

yeah. and why would he have been cut in 2007?

anyway, this all assumes that Smith would have been the starter during his entire tenure in Philly (in this alternate reality we're debating, for some reason) and he clearly would not have been. Based on how Reid handled bringing Kolb along, Smith would have sat behind McNabb until at least 2008. His career path would have been entirely different and there's no way to know what would have happened.

This "debate" does nothing new. Smith-haters will imagine that Smith and the entire situation around him would have unfolded exactly as it did here. Smith-supporters will imagine that a place like Philly would have given Smith everything he didn't have here, and so he would have been the QB he was drafted to be. And on and on, with no resolution, forever.

If only Inception was around in 2005. We then could have planted the idea in McNolan's head to draft Rodgers and everything else he did wrong.

Originally posted by ApatheticIAm:

Originally posted by HessianDud:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Originally posted by ApatheticIAm:

Originally posted by Shaj:
he would have been cut in 2007 or 2008, injury or no injury.

/thread

I think you are wrong. If Reid can make Kolb a good QB, then I think he could have done the same with Smith. When given time, Smith can make some nice throws. His consistency sucks, but I think Reid would have smoothed out that wrinkle in his game.

Sorry he is dead on correct, In the The West cost offense a QB has to be able to play under center, the timing of the short pass routes is synced to footwork of the Qb in his drop back. Alex was horrible in Mike Macarthy's West coast offense his rookie year, remember?

The overall talent on that team was considered to be less than on most first-year expansion teams. That year is not a good example of anything.

yeah. and why would he have been cut in 2007?

anyway, this all assumes that Smith would have been the starter during his entire tenure in Philly (in this alternate reality we're debating, for some reason) and he clearly would not have been. Based on how Reid handled bringing Kolb along, Smith would have sat behind McNabb until at least 2008. His career path would have been entirely different and there's no way to know what would have happened.

This "debate" does nothing new. Smith-haters will imagine that Smith and the entire situation around him would have unfolded exactly as it did here. Smith-supporters will imagine that a place like Philly would have given Smith everything he didn't have here, and so he would have been the QB he was drafted to be. And on and on, with no resolution, forever.

If only Inception was around in 2005. We then could have planted the idea in McNolan's head to draft Rodgers and everything else he did wrong.

that's as reasonable an idea as I've ever heard in Niner Talk.

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
OF COURSE he could have been a better QB. The same thing could be said for 80% of the QBs in the league and re: Reid's tutelage.

A pro-bowler? no way anybody could know that. I don't think so but maybe?

fwiw I think that all things being equal he's (or at one point could have been) a more skilled QB than Kevin Kolb.

One thing worth noting is that 9ers fans are the only people with even a passing interest in football who blamed Alex Smith for our offensive problems this year. Everyone from our coaches, to our other offensive players, to a ream of commentators saw less problems in Smith than in other things effecting the offense (getting plays in on time the first two games, crabs being responsibly for 4 ints, two rookie o-lineman playing like rookie o-lineman, teams calling out our plays before we ran them until Raye was fired, etc).

Not saying Alex was great, but nobody is as hard on him as 9ers "fans."

Between the disaster that was Mike Nolan to the disaster that was Jimmy Raye, Alex Smith never had a chance to become an NFL QB. No teams players developed less than our during the Nolan era. Since then we've had a serious lack of football strategy, even though the players are getting better. Smith included.

Put him in a spread offense for the past 5 years and he would be a solid NFL QB.

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Rodgers= exactly how you develop a QB and help your franchise.

Smith= exactly how you fvck up a QB and set back your franchise.

The answer to the OPs question lies in Green Bay. Rodgers went through the exact opposite of what Smith went through and the results show. Obviously Rodgers was more pro ready so it's not a total apples to apples comparison but it's safe to assume Alex would be FAR better off had him and Rodgers switched places.

You have a fallacy in your logic. You are assuming that because Rodgers was groomed behind a future HOF and with staffing/system continuity, that he was therefore successful - when you cannot prove that he would not have been very successful coming straight out of the chute like Ryan, Roethlisberger, Flacco, and many others.

Smith would have laid eggs no matter the circumstances. He doesn't have leadership, instinct, or accuracy. Every one of those in and of themselves is a fatal flaw for a QB. Smith has managed to fail at all three. You could put him behind Montana for 5 years and still not see better results. Most notable is that leadership and instinct cannot be taught, and accuracy is damn hard to coach in someone who just doesn't have it.

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Rodgers= exactly how you develop a QB and help your franchise.

Smith= exactly how you fvck up a QB and set back your franchise.

The answer to the OPs question lies in Green Bay. Rodgers went through the exact opposite of what Smith went through and the results show. Obviously Rodgers was more pro ready so it's not a total apples to apples comparison but it's safe to assume Alex would be FAR better off had him and Rodgers switched places.

You have a fallacy in your logic. You are assuming that because Rodgers was groomed behind a future HOF and with staffing/system continuity, that he was therefore successful - when you cannot prove that he would not have been very successful coming straight out of the chute like Ryan, Roethlisberger, Flacco, and many others.

Smith would have laid eggs no matter the circumstances. He doesn't have leadership, instinct, or accuracy. Every one of those in and of themselves is a fatal flaw for a QB. Smith has managed to fail at all three. You could put him behind Montana for 5 years and still not see better results. Most notable is that leadership and instinct cannot be taught, and accuracy is damn hard to coach in someone who just doesn't have it.

lol

Originally posted by jcs:
smith has and always had poor footwork and mechanics...for that reason alone a Walsh/WCO guy like Reid wouldn't have drafted him.

Have to disagree there, Steve Young had horrible footwork and Walsh still brought him in, that is a problem that can be easily fixed with the proper coaching.

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Rodgers= exactly how you develop a QB and help your franchise.

Smith= exactly how you fvck up a QB and set back your franchise.

The answer to the OPs question lies in Green Bay. Rodgers went through the exact opposite of what Smith went through and the results show. Obviously Rodgers was more pro ready so it's not a total apples to apples comparison but it's safe to assume Alex would be FAR better off had him and Rodgers switched places.

You have a fallacy in your logic. You are assuming that because Rodgers was groomed behind a future HOF and with staffing/system continuity, that he was therefore successful - when you cannot prove that he would not have been very successful coming straight out of the chute like Ryan, Roethlisberger, Flacco, and many others.

Smith would have laid eggs no matter the circumstances. He doesn't have leadership, instinct, or accuracy. Every one of those in and of themselves is a fatal flaw for a QB. Smith has managed to fail at all three. You could put him behind Montana for 5 years and still not see better results. Most notable is that leadership and instinct cannot be taught, and accuracy is damn hard to coach in someone who just doesn't have it.

I see this a lot in my psych wards. Its called denial........when you dont have answers, you just laugh it off.........


He's right. I think you guys overrate what Favre's tutelage did for Rodgers. If anything, what did Alex do the 2 years he sat on the bench and had an opportunity to learn from others ? Pretty much nothing....

Originally posted by jcs:
smith has and always had poor footwork and mechanics...for that reason alone a Walsh/WCO guy like Reid wouldn't have drafted him.

That is a foolishly presumptive statement on two counts. Players are drafted all the time as "projects." Players who have good talent but need refinement. Walsh did that with a number of players. He worked a great deal on Steve Young's mechanics after he came from Tampa.

Secondly, the "footwork and mechanics" for a QB in WCO are not any different than any other system. Also, every single coach in the league currently running WCO also uses a spread a some point.

The difference between WCO and other systems is more terminology than anything else. The patterns themselves and the sets are quite similar.

Yes, Andy Reid would have drafted Smith, and so would a lot of other coaches had Smith dropped like Rodgers did. It was a unique year in which not a lot of teams at the very top needed a QB like the 49ers did that year. After the 49ers, a dozen other teams had greater needs.

This upcoming year will be a year in which QBs will be in demand. Half the league would dump their current guy for Luck or Locker or Newton or whoever else turns out to be highly rated, and bring them along to game speed as quickly as possible. There are a lot of poor to mediocre QBs in this league.

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Rodgers= exactly how you develop a QB and help your franchise.

Smith= exactly how you fvck up a QB and set back your franchise.

The answer to the OPs question lies in Green Bay. Rodgers went through the exact opposite of what Smith went through and the results show. Obviously Rodgers was more pro ready so it's not a total apples to apples comparison but it's safe to assume Alex would be FAR better off had him and Rodgers switched places.

You have a fallacy in your logic. You are assuming that because Rodgers was groomed behind a future HOF and with staffing/system continuity, that he was therefore successful - when you cannot prove that he would not have been very successful coming straight out of the chute like Ryan, Roethlisberger, Flacco, and many others.

Smith would have laid eggs no matter the circumstances. He doesn't have leadership, instinct, or accuracy. Every one of those in and of themselves is a fatal flaw for a QB. Smith has managed to fail at all three. You could put him behind Montana for 5 years and still not see better results. Most notable is that leadership and instinct cannot be taught, and accuracy is damn hard to coach in someone who just doesn't have it.

I see this a lot in my psych wards. Its called denial........when you dont have answers, you just laugh it off.........

spend a lot of time in psych wards, eh?

Originally posted by Mookster:

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
OF COURSE he could have been a better QB. The same thing could be said for 80% of the QBs in the league and re: Reid's tutelage.

A pro-bowler? no way anybody could know that. I don't think so but maybe?

fwiw I think that all things being equal he's (or at one point could have been) a more skilled QB than Kevin Kolb.

One thing worth noting is that 9ers fans are the only people with even a passing interest in football who blamed Alex Smith for our offensive problems this year. Everyone from our coaches, to our other offensive players, to a ream of commentators saw less problems in Smith than in other things effecting the offense (getting plays in on time the first two games, crabs being responsibly for 4 ints, two rookie o-lineman playing like rookie o-lineman, teams calling out our plays before we ran them until Raye was fired, etc).

Not saying Alex was great, but nobody is as hard on him as 9ers "fans."

Between the disaster that was Mike Nolan to the disaster that was Jimmy Raye, Alex Smith never had a chance to become an NFL QB. No teams players developed less than our during the Nolan era. Since then we've had a serious lack of football strategy, even though the players are getting better. Smith included.

Put him in a spread offense for the past 5 years and he would be a solid NFL QB.

thank god is too late

if alex was drafted by Andy Reid then he would be an eagle and no one on this site would care about him

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:

Originally posted by Shaj:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Rodgers= exactly how you develop a QB and help your franchise.

Smith= exactly how you fvck up a QB and set back your franchise.

The answer to the OPs question lies in Green Bay. Rodgers went through the exact opposite of what Smith went through and the results show. Obviously Rodgers was more pro ready so it's not a total apples to apples comparison but it's safe to assume Alex would be FAR better off had him and Rodgers switched places.

You have a fallacy in your logic. You are assuming that because Rodgers was groomed behind a future HOF and with staffing/system continuity, that he was therefore successful - when you cannot prove that he would not have been very successful coming straight out of the chute like Ryan, Roethlisberger, Flacco, and many others.

Smith would have laid eggs no matter the circumstances. He doesn't have leadership, instinct, or accuracy. Every one of those in and of themselves is a fatal flaw for a QB. Smith has managed to fail at all three. You could put him behind Montana for 5 years and still not see better results. Most notable is that leadership and instinct cannot be taught, and accuracy is damn hard to coach in someone who just doesn't have it.

I see this a lot in my psych wards. Its called denial........when you dont have answers, you just laugh it off.........


He's right. I think you guys overrate what Favre's tutelage did for Rodgers. If anything, what did Alex do the 2 years he sat on the bench and had an opportunity to learn from others ? Pretty much nothing....

wow, that is an incredible "counter-point" that I never thought. LOL, that dismisses every argument people have regarding Rodgers having the advantage for getting to ride the pine for 2 years and just observe. For that matter, Smith got to ride the pine with more real insight to NFL Quarterbacking than Rodgers did, giving Smith the advantage.

Like I said, Smith lacks Accuracy, Instinct, and Leadership, at least two of which cannot be taught/coached, and all three of which are fatal flaws for an NFL QB.

Smith would have been better if he had been brought up to a perfect environment.

If he went to almost any other team now he would be better than he has been here.

But, "better" is really just sort of ok. His touch, his accuracy, the quickness of release, the intuition is not up with the best of them. He would have been sort of average and some guy would have come along and dethroned him after a couple of years and he would have a career as an often-traded backup.

Here, nobody was allowed to compete with him, one of the strangest things in the history of the game. If there had been open and honest competition here, Smith probably would have be replaced some time ago.

Actually, the no-competition thing is so awful that I feel sorry for Smith. That bonehead idea wasn't his fault and makes him look really bad. I don't buy into any idea that he is mentally weak or any of that garbage, just that he isn't the savior type.