Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by ZRF80:WOW. Do you actually believe that Roddy White and Marques Colston are in the "bad to average" category? Tony Gonzalez is an "average" TE?Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by oldman9er:They are one of the best, and most balanced set of receivers in the league. Also, Mike McCarthy has had that unit intact for four years now. The only new member is Jermichael Finley and he is now out, replaced by Donald Lee who has been there for quite a while as well.Originally posted by dj43:
An obvious point that must be made about the GB receivers is that they are faster than the 49er receivers, hence they are more often open on deeper routes. Jennings and Jones are faster than any of the 49er WRs. Donald Driver, though he has lost a step is a master at the 12-20 yard depth over the middle, and area that Michael Crabtree has so far avoided like the plague.
Should be painfully obvious... not even to mention speed. These guys that Rodgers have are elite when it comes to getting open and making efforts on the ball that our boys only dream of. Rodgers is the perfect, current example of a silver-spoon fed QB... and it shows most of the time.
So combine quality, experienced receivers with a coach who has a clear, solid, pass-oriented offense and the QB will put up some nice numbers.
Even so, Rodgers has been far from excellent his last two games. He has now dropped to #12 in the ratings. But you're right. He came into the perfect set-up to develop his skills without the immediate pressure of having to win.
Rodgers make those receivers look a lot better than they really are. Elite ? I doubt it. You guys have some serious emotional investment in Smith. You've completely reversed the role of a QB.......you now hold the rest of the team accountable when it comes to how "great" a QB can be, and that simply is not the case. A good team can make a bad QB look good (Ravens of 2000), but a good QB can make an bad to average team great (Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, etc.)
Teams like the Ravens, Saints, Falcons, and even St. Louis played like s**t until their "star" QBs signed on. Of course, you'll excuse those QBs' good play by claiming that "their olines played great", "they played under one system", "WRs were elite", etc.
Pathetic.......
I have reversed nothing. I have noted the interrelationship on numerous occasions but you are only reading my posts with one eye open.
I'm out...
Marques Colston caught 70 balls last year. He's a good receiver (like Crabtree), but he's not an "elite" receiver. Roddy White is a good receiver......he's not an "elite" receiver. These guys are good players, but they do not transform their average QBs into superstars. If we go by your standards, we could easily claim that Crabtree and Vernon Davis are elite players, and therefore Alex Smith should be playing just as well as Matt Ryan and Drew Brees. But the reality is that both Ryan and Brees bring something extra to the table that not only makes them look good, but also elevates the level of their receivers game. Smith does NOT do that. Instead of acknowledging this, you in reverse are implying that it's not Smith....but rather VD and Crabtree's limitations that are holding Smith back.
I dont think so.....