Alex's Injury?

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Shaj:


Winners don't tolerate this kind of bullcrap. Winners don't tolerate motivational speeches with no game planning to back it up. Winners don't tolerate #1 overall draft picks that after 6 years still play like they are in the CFL. Winners don't tolerate complacency and excuses and patience, coupled with losing records. Most of all, winners don't tolerate being mislabelled as haters, because while what they hate is all of the things above, what they truly love is winning, and that's all that counts.

If you want warm and fuzzy feel good stuff, go watch reruns of Mr. Rogers. The NFL is a business, not a message board popularity contest.

I think his point is that "winners" as you call them want to sit down... carefully and thoroughly diagnose the things that have been making them struggle. Losers are those who jump up and down.... b!tch and moan all day on a MB about one particular area of struggle... without looking further into why that area has been struggling in the first place.

That's the difference. Some don't realize that it HAS been looked further, surroundings improved, replaced, and improved again except for that one particular area. "winners" that keep losing are the ones who keep ignoring or refuse to want to improve that one particular area.

O line is still pretty bad, WR's not getting space, and a D that couldn't stop a prep team

Yet, it has all improved in terms of talent...all but one position. Did you notice Tim Rattay played better with the 2004 team (far worse talent).

The bold cannot be determined unless you are watching game film. Also, it isn't college and "space" in the NFL has a slightly different meaning when it comes to an open WR.

Originally posted by Wodwo:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Once almost everything else has been improved and the play hasn't means you look at the sole constant in all of this. Some feel that change is needed while others feel, no, we need to change more around it.

It's not hate more than its a protest for changing that one constant throughout 7 or 8 years of crap offense.

Bulls**t.

The poor pass protection has been a constant problem.

Alexcuse #23

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Shaj:


Winners don't tolerate this kind of bullcrap. Winners don't tolerate motivational speeches with no game planning to back it up. Winners don't tolerate #1 overall draft picks that after 6 years still play like they are in the CFL. Winners don't tolerate complacency and excuses and patience, coupled with losing records. Most of all, winners don't tolerate being mislabelled as haters, because while what they hate is all of the things above, what they truly love is winning, and that's all that counts.

If you want warm and fuzzy feel good stuff, go watch reruns of Mr. Rogers. The NFL is a business, not a message board popularity contest.

I think his point is that "winners" as you call them want to sit down... carefully and thoroughly diagnose the things that have been making them struggle. Losers are those who jump up and down.... b!tch and moan all day on a MB about one particular area of struggle... without looking further into why that area has been struggling in the first place.

That's the difference. Some don't realize that it HAS been looked further, surroundings improved, replaced, and improved again except for that one particular area. "winners" that keep losing are the ones who keep ignoring or refuse to want to improve that one particular area.

Putting two brand new rookies on the OL is NOT a guarantee of improvement. It is an attempt that has done nothing to improve our protection issues. Does someone really have to explain that to you? This bolded part makes you look blind as hell. So what then has improved so very much on offensive pieces aside from QB from week 1 of this year vs 2009?

The pressure up the middle has decreased from last year. Pressure up the middle is the worst kind of pressure to allow. Good QB's can somewhat work around pressure from the outside.

There's nothing to argue anymore. What's your excuse for Tim Rattay performing better than Alex Smith? We need to realize that we have a backup at best starting at QB. We have a QB who can't make up for weak areas of the offense. A QB who cannot adjust in any way. A QB who has shown little to no ability that is necessary in the NFL outside of coaching, OL, and WR's.

Sheesh, those comments by Steve Young did buy Alex Smith a lot more time.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Shaj:


Winners don't tolerate this kind of bullcrap. Winners don't tolerate motivational speeches with no game planning to back it up. Winners don't tolerate #1 overall draft picks that after 6 years still play like they are in the CFL. Winners don't tolerate complacency and excuses and patience, coupled with losing records. Most of all, winners don't tolerate being mislabelled as haters, because while what they hate is all of the things above, what they truly love is winning, and that's all that counts.

If you want warm and fuzzy feel good stuff, go watch reruns of Mr. Rogers. The NFL is a business, not a message board popularity contest.

I think his point is that "winners" as you call them want to sit down... carefully and thoroughly diagnose the things that have been making them struggle. Losers are those who jump up and down.... b!tch and moan all day on a MB about one particular area of struggle... without looking further into why that area has been struggling in the first place.

That's the difference. Some don't realize that it HAS been looked further, surroundings improved, replaced, and improved again except for that one particular area. "winners" that keep losing are the ones who keep ignoring or refuse to want to improve that one particular area.

O line is still pretty bad, WR's not getting space, and a D that couldn't stop a prep team

Yet, it has all improved in terms of talent...all but one position. Did you notice Tim Rattay played better with the 2004 team (far worse talent).

The bold cannot be determined unless you are watching game film. Also, it isn't college and "space" in the NFL has a slightly different meaning when it comes to an open WR.

terms of talent...just because we spent 2 1st rounders on the o line doesn't mean they are automatically better.

if you think we take another QB insert them into the QB role this year and give them the same circumstance, plays, etc etc and expect a drastic difference you are dreaming....we may get 1 more win that's about it.

most of the losses were on last minute drives against the D, which chocked just like last year....and their talent should of been better compared to last year.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Shaj:


Winners don't tolerate this kind of bullcrap. Winners don't tolerate motivational speeches with no game planning to back it up. Winners don't tolerate #1 overall draft picks that after 6 years still play like they are in the CFL. Winners don't tolerate complacency and excuses and patience, coupled with losing records. Most of all, winners don't tolerate being mislabelled as haters, because while what they hate is all of the things above, what they truly love is winning, and that's all that counts.

If you want warm and fuzzy feel good stuff, go watch reruns of Mr. Rogers. The NFL is a business, not a message board popularity contest.

I think his point is that "winners" as you call them want to sit down... carefully and thoroughly diagnose the things that have been making them struggle. Losers are those who jump up and down.... b!tch and moan all day on a MB about one particular area of struggle... without looking further into why that area has been struggling in the first place.

That's the difference. Some don't realize that it HAS been looked further, surroundings improved, replaced, and improved again except for that one particular area. "winners" that keep losing are the ones who keep ignoring or refuse to want to improve that one particular area.

O line is still pretty bad, WR's not getting space, and a D that couldn't stop a prep team

Yet, it has all improved in terms of talent...all but one position. Did you notice Tim Rattay played better with the 2004 team (far worse talent).

The bold cannot be determined unless you are watching game film. Also, it isn't college and "space" in the NFL has a slightly different meaning when it comes to an open WR.

terms of talent...just because we spent 2 1st rounders on the o line doesn't mean they are automatically better.

if you think we take another QB insert them into the QB role this year and give them the same circumstance, plays, etc etc and expect a drastic difference you are dreaming....we may get 1 more win that's about it.

most of the losses were on last minute drives against the D, which chocked just like last year....and their talent should of been better compared to last year.

At the same time, the offense only helped in one game.

Again, Tim Rattay played better in worse conditions with far less experience.

Originally posted by Joecool:
What's your excuse for Tim Rattay performing better than Alex Smith?

Rattay was so good that he produced a 1-3 record... 57% completion... 5 TD / 6 INT season before getting yanked off the field for a 1st round QB... 20 year old from a Urban Spread offense.... forced to play a McCarthy WC offense...

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Shaj:


Winners don't tolerate this kind of bullcrap. Winners don't tolerate motivational speeches with no game planning to back it up. Winners don't tolerate #1 overall draft picks that after 6 years still play like they are in the CFL. Winners don't tolerate complacency and excuses and patience, coupled with losing records. Most of all, winners don't tolerate being mislabelled as haters, because while what they hate is all of the things above, what they truly love is winning, and that's all that counts.

If you want warm and fuzzy feel good stuff, go watch reruns of Mr. Rogers. The NFL is a business, not a message board popularity contest.

I think his point is that "winners" as you call them want to sit down... carefully and thoroughly diagnose the things that have been making them struggle. Losers are those who jump up and down.... b!tch and moan all day on a MB about one particular area of struggle... without looking further into why that area has been struggling in the first place.

That's the difference. Some don't realize that it HAS been looked further, surroundings improved, replaced, and improved again except for that one particular area. "winners" that keep losing are the ones who keep ignoring or refuse to want to improve that one particular area.

O line is still pretty bad, WR's not getting space, and a D that couldn't stop a prep team

Yet, it has all improved in terms of talent...all but one position. Did you notice Tim Rattay played better with the 2004 team (far worse talent).

The bold cannot be determined unless you are watching game film. Also, it isn't college and "space" in the NFL has a slightly different meaning when it comes to an open WR.

terms of talent...just because we spent 2 1st rounders on the o line doesn't mean they are automatically better.

if you think we take another QB insert them into the QB role this year and give them the same circumstance, plays, etc etc and expect a drastic difference you are dreaming....we may get 1 more win that's about it.

most of the losses were on last minute drives against the D, which chocked just like last year....and their talent should of been better compared to last year.

At the same time, the offense only helped in one game.

Again, Tim Rattay played better in worse conditions with far less experience.

doesn't excuse the D which should of been better but I don't hear this kind of constant outrage at them. Take Alex out of the equation and you still have a D that will get scored on and lose games multiple times. I even started a poll on who is trusted more....more people trust the O with Alex at the end of the game then the D. Why aren't the leaders of the D being screamed at....J Smith, Willis, Nate, Goldson...our D leaders who aren't being the big vocal guys like people keep blaming Alex for not being.

Give me a 50/50 split on blame on a constant basis and I will be less critical of people pointing the finger at 1 guy...and still s**t talking him when he's HURT for christ sake.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Shaj:


Winners don't tolerate this kind of bullcrap. Winners don't tolerate motivational speeches with no game planning to back it up. Winners don't tolerate #1 overall draft picks that after 6 years still play like they are in the CFL. Winners don't tolerate complacency and excuses and patience, coupled with losing records. Most of all, winners don't tolerate being mislabelled as haters, because while what they hate is all of the things above, what they truly love is winning, and that's all that counts.

If you want warm and fuzzy feel good stuff, go watch reruns of Mr. Rogers. The NFL is a business, not a message board popularity contest.

I think his point is that "winners" as you call them want to sit down... carefully and thoroughly diagnose the things that have been making them struggle. Losers are those who jump up and down.... b!tch and moan all day on a MB about one particular area of struggle... without looking further into why that area has been struggling in the first place.

That's the difference. Some don't realize that it HAS been looked further, surroundings improved, replaced, and improved again except for that one particular area. "winners" that keep losing are the ones who keep ignoring or refuse to want to improve that one particular area.

O line is still pretty bad, WR's not getting space, and a D that couldn't stop a prep team

Yet, it has all improved in terms of talent...all but one position. Did you notice Tim Rattay played better with the 2004 team (far worse talent).

The bold cannot be determined unless you are watching game film. Also, it isn't college and "space" in the NFL has a slightly different meaning when it comes to an open WR.

terms of talent...just because we spent 2 1st rounders on the o line doesn't mean they are automatically better.

if you think we take another QB insert them into the QB role this year and give them the same circumstance, plays, etc etc and expect a drastic difference you are dreaming....we may get 1 more win that's about it.

most of the losses were on last minute drives against the D, which chocked just like last year....and their talent should of been better compared to last year.

At the same time, the offense only helped in one game.

Again, Tim Rattay played better in worse conditions with far less experience.

doesn't excuse the D which should of been better but I don't hear this kind of constant outrage at them. Take Alex out of the equation and you still have a D that will get scored on and lose games multiple times. I even started a poll on who is trusted more....more people trust the O with Alex at the end of the game then the D. Why aren't the leaders of the D being screamed at....J Smith, Willis, Nate, Goldson...our D leaders who aren't being the big vocal guys like people keep blaming Alex for not being.

Give me a 50/50 split on blame on a constant basis and I will be less critical of people pointing the finger at 1 guy...and still s**t talking him when he's HURT for christ sake.

Oh no, we have complained about the defense but then the coach makes a change to the position that deserved complaints on.

Can't say the same for the offense. It still is not scoring "winnable" amounts of points.

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:
What's your excuse for Tim Rattay performing better than Alex Smith?

Rattay was so good that he produced a 1-3 record... 57% completion... 5 TD / 6 INT season before getting yanked off the field for a 1st round QB... 20 year old from a Urban Spread offense.... forced to play a McCarthy WC offense...

And that was Rattay's 13th or 15th start.

The QB you speak about is in his 35+ start and is 1-6 on a team with better blocking and better talent at RB and better talent at WR. He has thrown 9 TD to 9INT...

...therefore, it is only reasonable to replace him with another 20 year-old rookie from a Spread offense, right? But it's not because it's not Alex's fault but it was all Rattay's fault.

You're not getting the point. Alex Smith is a solid backup at best and is being treated as a phenom that needs more around him.

Originally posted by Joecool:


Like I said, Rattay played better than Smith in worse conditions. At that time here is Rattays NFL experience:

4th year in the league
3 NFL starts

Alex is not the answer. I think it's safe to say that unless we upgrade the only position we have not (QB) then we can assess the overall offense.

What's your point? I'm not talking about Smith vs. Rattay vs. Whoever.

Pass protection has been a constant problem with this team. You said the only constant was poor QB play. You are just wrong, plain and simple.

Before you start blaming Smith for that, too... again, I'll remind you that the line has given up less sacks when Smith has been playing than any other QB.

I'm not telling you Alex is the answer. I'm telling you that poor line play has been a consistent problem. Does Smith play better with better pass protection? We'll probably never know.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Shaj:


Winners don't tolerate this kind of bullcrap. Winners don't tolerate motivational speeches with no game planning to back it up. Winners don't tolerate #1 overall draft picks that after 6 years still play like they are in the CFL. Winners don't tolerate complacency and excuses and patience, coupled with losing records. Most of all, winners don't tolerate being mislabelled as haters, because while what they hate is all of the things above, what they truly love is winning, and that's all that counts.

If you want warm and fuzzy feel good stuff, go watch reruns of Mr. Rogers. The NFL is a business, not a message board popularity contest.

I think his point is that "winners" as you call them want to sit down... carefully and thoroughly diagnose the things that have been making them struggle. Losers are those who jump up and down.... b!tch and moan all day on a MB about one particular area of struggle... without looking further into why that area has been struggling in the first place.

That's the difference. Some don't realize that it HAS been looked further, surroundings improved, replaced, and improved again except for that one particular area. "winners" that keep losing are the ones who keep ignoring or refuse to want to improve that one particular area.

O line is still pretty bad, WR's not getting space, and a D that couldn't stop a prep team

Yet, it has all improved in terms of talent...all but one position. Did you notice Tim Rattay played better with the 2004 team (far worse talent).

The bold cannot be determined unless you are watching game film. Also, it isn't college and "space" in the NFL has a slightly different meaning when it comes to an open WR.

terms of talent...just because we spent 2 1st rounders on the o line doesn't mean they are automatically better.

if you think we take another QB insert them into the QB role this year and give them the same circumstance, plays, etc etc and expect a drastic difference you are dreaming....we may get 1 more win that's about it.

most of the losses were on last minute drives against the D, which chocked just like last year....and their talent should of been better compared to last year.

At the same time, the offense only helped in one game.

Again, Tim Rattay played better in worse conditions with far less experience.

doesn't excuse the D which should of been better but I don't hear this kind of constant outrage at them. Take Alex out of the equation and you still have a D that will get scored on and lose games multiple times. I even started a poll on who is trusted more....more people trust the O with Alex at the end of the game then the D. Why aren't the leaders of the D being screamed at....J Smith, Willis, Nate, Goldson...our D leaders who aren't being the big vocal guys like people keep blaming Alex for not being.

Give me a 50/50 split on blame on a constant basis and I will be less critical of people pointing the finger at 1 guy...and still s**t talking him when he's HURT for christ sake.

Oh no, we have complained about the defense but then the coach makes a change to the position that deserved complaints on.

Can't say the same for the offense. It still is not scoring "winnable" amounts of points.

Every thread Alex is brought up in on a constant basis, I haven't heard anybody talk about the D like this at all. One f**king guy when 11 play...he is not always the problem like some think he is. You play together, you win and lose together...its a team sport. Alex is no longer playing and he's still being critiqued and criticized....why? Why aren't people still b***hing about other guys who aren't playing...because they have nothing else to talk about because this is all they can do, talk s**t about a player and offer no other insight into any other position because they have 0 football knowledge. Look at the O so far this year:
Staley-medicore
Iupati-avg for a rookie
Baas-avg
Rachal-garbage
Davis-below avg for a rookie

Crabs-mediocre in the first few games/cause for almost all INT's
Morgan-medicore
Ginn-non factor-injured
Williams-non factor-injured
Z-non factor-but has a flash here or there

Vernon-not getting the ball thrown his way a lot but good overall
Walker-key fumble-injured-decent in playing
Nate-avg for rookie

Norris-garbage
Frank-key fumbles but overall very good
Dixon-non factor
Westy-non factor

J Raye-fired
M Johnson-decent getting a lil better with time

So out of all the guys who play on O 2-3 have been better then avg, that still leaves 8-9 guys who aren't playing good football, granted 1 of them is Alex but overall the unit is not very good, Alex is not a miracle worker and I wouldn't expect any QB to magically make this group top 10-15 overnight.

Originally posted by Joecool:

You're not getting the point. Alex Smith is a solid backup at best and is being treated as a phenom that needs more around him.

We get the point that this is your opinion... again and again, we must hear the same old song. We get the point that you have an obsession to needle in negative comments as often as possible... regardless of how often the sentiments are regurgitated. We get the sheer inability from you and others to look past anything other than the end-result thinking... which indicates your inability or unwillingness to honestly explore why these end-results exists.

Treated like a phenom? See, it's ridiculous comments like this that let us all know that you either can not... or will not think clearly and objectively on the subject.

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Joecool:

You're not getting the point. Alex Smith is a solid backup at best and is being treated as a phenom that needs more around him.

We get the point that this is your opinion... again and again, we must hear the same old song. We get the point that you have an obsession to needle in negative comments as often as possible... regardless of how often the sentiments are regurgitated. We get the sheer inability from you and others to look past anything other than the end-result thinking... which indicates your inability or unwillingness to honestly explore why these end-results exists.

Treated like a phenom? See, it's ridiculous comments like this that let us all know that you either can not... or will not think clearly and objectively on the subject.

No, you're not getting it. There's a reason why Alex is being compared more and more to QB's who are not in the league. Those QB's have gone onto other teams, better teams, worse teams, and are either out of the league or still performing as good as our QB. They have all gone to "better coaching", "better talent", and still have not improved. You know what it means when things have improved as slight as they might be but that one position hasn't or has gotten worse?

The point is, you are trying to correct/overhaul or point at a complex solution. A solution that has been tried and still no improvement from the QB. This is what you are not getting. Things have slightly improved but the play from the QB has gotten worse. Believe it or not, the blocking has improved from last year but the QB play has gotten worse. The receivers have improved but the QB play has gotten worse. Can you explain that or is that a fault of another aspect of the team? The only part that hasn't been tried is the most obvious solution.

This team passed up that chance this past offseason to improve it and I bet you those possible QB's play well with this offense.

CAR offense sucks but their QB still plays worlds better than ours. You know what we do? We blame our secondary for his "out of body" play. What about when our QB plays a terrible secondary? Still, same ole results. There is a trend here and you refuse to see it.

Originally posted by Joecool:
There is a trend here and you refuse to see it.

... and I still contend the same opposite that you apparently do. You see what you want to see.

Why?

I suspect it's your years of bitter resentment that #11 could not miraculously swim through the feces that our team put in front of him. Truth is, very few if any QBs could have... but people like you demanded it anyway.

So from that bitterness, there was no turning back... and every bit of blame will lay at his feet. OL can't protect for 3+ minutes? Must be that the QB just can't work the pocket or read coverages or throw his man open. Receiver drops a catchable pass? Oh, the throw wasn't perfectly placed. Defense can't get a stop and we lose in the final seconds? Oh, well if our offense had scored more, the D would never have been put in that position. QB scrambles to evade immediate pressure? Oh, but look, he could have decided instantly to move an inch or two right instead of left. QB scrambled? Oh, he got scared and couldn't stand in there to make the throw.

Alex Smith never had a chance with this crap OL and mess of a support cast. Alex Smith never had a chance with some of you people. The bitterness that he couldn't perform miracles... when few if any QBs could have here... has been your ruin.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by Shaj:


Winners don't tolerate this kind of bullcrap. Winners don't tolerate motivational speeches with no game planning to back it up. Winners don't tolerate #1 overall draft picks that after 6 years still play like they are in the CFL. Winners don't tolerate complacency and excuses and patience, coupled with losing records. Most of all, winners don't tolerate being mislabelled as haters, because while what they hate is all of the things above, what they truly love is winning, and that's all that counts.

If you want warm and fuzzy feel good stuff, go watch reruns of Mr. Rogers. The NFL is a business, not a message board popularity contest.

I think his point is that "winners" as you call them want to sit down... carefully and thoroughly diagnose the things that have been making them struggle. Losers are those who jump up and down.... b!tch and moan all day on a MB about one particular area of struggle... without looking further into why that area has been struggling in the first place.

That's the difference. Some don't realize that it HAS been looked further, surroundings improved, replaced, and improved again except for that one particular area. "winners" that keep losing are the ones who keep ignoring or refuse to want to improve that one particular area.

O line is still pretty bad, WR's not getting space, and a D that couldn't stop a prep team

Yet, it has all improved in terms of talent...all but one position. Did you notice Tim Rattay played better with the 2004 team (far worse talent).

The bold cannot be determined unless you are watching game film. Also, it isn't college and "space" in the NFL has a slightly different meaning when it comes to an open WR.

terms of talent...just because we spent 2 1st rounders on the o line doesn't mean they are automatically better.

if you think we take another QB insert them into the QB role this year and give them the same circumstance, plays, etc etc and expect a drastic difference you are dreaming....we may get 1 more win that's about it.

most of the losses were on last minute drives against the D, which chocked just like last year....and their talent should of been better compared to last year.

At the same time, the offense only helped in one game.

Again, Tim Rattay played better in worse conditions with far less experience.

Are you for real Joe ?? Are you joking with these post ???