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Source: Singletary will have to win 1-2 playoff games to keep job

Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by plinius9mm:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by kray28:
Originally posted by AiNoKea:
Originally posted by SY9er8:
http://www.sfexaminer.com/sports/Dickey-Time-for-the-Niners-to-move-on-from-Singletary-104128248.html


THIS!!!!!

Very solid article, but that was two games ago when that article was written, wonder what he thinks now??

Not sure how Dickey arrives at the idea that Chucky would be willing to step into this steaming pile of poop at mid-season.

You want Chucky, you can start talking to him now, but he won't start work until January at the earliest.



If Jed wants Gruden he better open his momma's purse.

Everybody's got a price. Gruden can be ours for the right price.
Gruden would be VERY expensive. Given his experience in Oakland, he would want a major voice in overall operations in addition to HC. Whether or not Jed would give him the control he would demand is a big question. I can't see him coming here without anything less.

A better fit would be Jim Harbaugh. The Bay Area has seen him build that Stanford program and he has a legit offensive pedigree.

First the 49ers need a football guy in the GM chair. Until Jed does that, he will be sending a message he still doesn't understand the business his Daddy gave him.

College coaches are rarely successful in the NFL. Has Harbaugh ever coached at any level in the NFL ?
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by plinius9mm:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by kray28:
Originally posted by AiNoKea:
Originally posted by SY9er8:
http://www.sfexaminer.com/sports/Dickey-Time-for-the-Niners-to-move-on-from-Singletary-104128248.html


THIS!!!!!

Very solid article, but that was two games ago when that article was written, wonder what he thinks now??

Not sure how Dickey arrives at the idea that Chucky would be willing to step into this steaming pile of poop at mid-season.

You want Chucky, you can start talking to him now, but he won't start work until January at the earliest.



If Jed wants Gruden he better open his momma's purse.

Everybody's got a price. Gruden can be ours for the right price.
Gruden would be VERY expensive. Given his experience in Oakland, he would want a major voice in overall operations in addition to HC. Whether or not Jed would give him the control he would demand is a big question. I can't see him coming here without anything less.

A better fit would be Jim Harbaugh. The Bay Area has seen him build that Stanford program and he has a legit offensive pedigree.

First the 49ers need a football guy in the GM chair. Until Jed does that, he will be sending a message he still doesn't understand the business his Daddy gave him.

College coaches are rarely successful in the NFL. Has Harbaugh ever coached at any level in the NFL ?

Remember the last Stanford coach who coached the 9ers immediately after, I think he did fairly good.
Originally posted by AiNoKea:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by plinius9mm:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by kray28:
Originally posted by AiNoKea:
Originally posted by SY9er8:
http://www.sfexaminer.com/sports/Dickey-Time-for-the-Niners-to-move-on-from-Singletary-104128248.html


THIS!!!!!

Very solid article, but that was two games ago when that article was written, wonder what he thinks now??

Not sure how Dickey arrives at the idea that Chucky would be willing to step into this steaming pile of poop at mid-season.

You want Chucky, you can start talking to him now, but he won't start work until January at the earliest.



If Jed wants Gruden he better open his momma's purse.

Everybody's got a price. Gruden can be ours for the right price.
Gruden would be VERY expensive. Given his experience in Oakland, he would want a major voice in overall operations in addition to HC. Whether or not Jed would give him the control he would demand is a big question. I can't see him coming here without anything less.

A better fit would be Jim Harbaugh. The Bay Area has seen him build that Stanford program and he has a legit offensive pedigree.

First the 49ers need a football guy in the GM chair. Until Jed does that, he will be sending a message he still doesn't understand the business his Daddy gave him.

College coaches are rarely successful in the NFL. Has Harbaugh ever coached at any level in the NFL ?

Remember the last Stanford coach who coached the 9ers immediately after, I think he did fairly good.

That last Stanford coach was an assistant coach with the Bengals under Paul Brown.
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by AiNoKea:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by plinius9mm:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by kray28:
Originally posted by AiNoKea:
Originally posted by SY9er8:
http://www.sfexaminer.com/sports/Dickey-Time-for-the-Niners-to-move-on-from-Singletary-104128248.html


THIS!!!!!

Very solid article, but that was two games ago when that article was written, wonder what he thinks now??

Not sure how Dickey arrives at the idea that Chucky would be willing to step into this steaming pile of poop at mid-season.

You want Chucky, you can start talking to him now, but he won't start work until January at the earliest.



If Jed wants Gruden he better open his momma's purse.

Everybody's got a price. Gruden can be ours for the right price.
Gruden would be VERY expensive. Given his experience in Oakland, he would want a major voice in overall operations in addition to HC. Whether or not Jed would give him the control he would demand is a big question. I can't see him coming here without anything less.

A better fit would be Jim Harbaugh. The Bay Area has seen him build that Stanford program and he has a legit offensive pedigree.

First the 49ers need a football guy in the GM chair. Until Jed does that, he will be sending a message he still doesn't understand the business his Daddy gave him.

College coaches are rarely successful in the NFL. Has Harbaugh ever coached at any level in the NFL ?

Remember the last Stanford coach who coached the 9ers immediately after, I think he did fairly good.

That last Stanford coach was an assistant coach with the Bengals under Paul Brown.

I know, I'm just say'n!!!
Originally posted by FL9er:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by baltien:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Originally posted by CaptainTabasco:
whoever we replace Sing with i just hope its not gruden... i am praying to god that its not gruden

My money says it's gonna be somebody we don't expect. Hopefully it'll be Marty Mornhinweg. His WCO ripped us a new ass last Sunday.

I agree with both posters.

Gruden is quite a way down my list of candidates, too, CptTabasco. I just don't think he's that much of a break from Singletary. Better X's and O's, but he's cut from the same rah-rah charismatic style of coaching as Sing.

I think you're certainly right about it being a dark horse candidate, SnakePlissken. What top flight coach in his right mind wants to take over our reclimation project anyway? I like the Mornhinweg suggestion, good resume, a dash of Niners' pedigree, and I think his type of offense is well suited to our roster. Better yet, I think it's a feasible hire.

Marty Mornhinweg would literally be the safe/cheap choice! He's a damn good coach/ballsy offensive mastermind who has out-coached many teams at Philly. Dude was literally screwed by Detroit after one season. He coached up Garcia (whilst being on both the 49ers and Eagles), Favre, Hasselbeck, and McNabb. Hell, even Kevin Kolb's mechanics looked (early) Hasselbeck-esq last Sunday.

I just see Gruden being a horrible idea at this time (even though he's a highly qualified candidate). This team is fed up with motivational speakers/yellers, they need some fresh air.

Mornhinweg would be Nolan 2.0 really good coordinator... bad head coach

You know the thing about Nolan is I don't think he was ever a good coordinator. The Ravens defense was so good during his tenure that anyone would have looked good "coaching" them. Truth is Marvin Lewis BUILT that defense and in my mind, only he can lay claim to it.

Nowhere else has Nolan gone and built a good defense from the ground up.

He was fired in Denver because even with Dumervil putting up (around) 20 sacks, they were still overall terrible. And if you want to know how he's doing in Miami.....see last week's game against the Patriots.

Did you know that Adalius Thomas first began to emerge on the Ravens when Nolan was the DC ? Suggs and Reed are in the same boat, both of them were drafted under Nolan (Suggs best career sack numbers came under Nolan). Lewis began the build of that defense and Nolan continued to build on his foundation and the defense continued to grow and develop under Rex Ryan as well. That team was fortunate to have 3 great DC's in succession, it also did not hurt that Ozzie Newsome did a tremendous job at the beginning of this decade with finding talent.

Did you also know Nolan was not fired in Denver, but resigned. And you can't expect a guy to switch defensive schemes whilst lacking the personnel to run it to have great success from day 1. Nolan helped lead Denver to a 6-0 start but eventually the lack of personnel became exposed and teams learned how to exploit them yet they still finished 7th overall in total defense (a defense that was ranked 29th the year prior).

In Miami they are currently ranked 7th overall in total defense. The last 2 weeks the performances haven't been great however they have dealt with the injury bug on the DL.

With the Giants he defense was fairly solid. His track as a DC speaks for itself, you can hate him as a HC all you want but to s**t on what he has done as a DC is blind hatred.

New England returned a KO for a TD, blocked 2 kicks that led to TDs (one was returned for a TD), and an INT for a TD. That's 28 of the 41 pts scored right there.

Thank you. I didn't watch that game but IIRC the Dolphins ST's coach was fired after the game.

The NY Giants, the #1 defense in the NFL right now allowed 38 points vs Indy already this year. You can go back and look at the multiple 30+ point games the Jets surrendered last year, and they were a top 5 D. Green Bay was as well, and they allowed multiple 30+ point games as well (and 50 in the playoffs). It happens to good defenses, they can't always stop everyone and hold teams under 15-20 points.

Like I said you can hate Nolan as a HC but to s**t on his abilities as a DC is blind hatred.
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by FL9er:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by baltien:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Originally posted by CaptainTabasco:
whoever we replace Sing with i just hope its not gruden... i am praying to god that its not gruden

My money says it's gonna be somebody we don't expect. Hopefully it'll be Marty Mornhinweg. His WCO ripped us a new ass last Sunday.

I agree with both posters.

Gruden is quite a way down my list of candidates, too, CptTabasco. I just don't think he's that much of a break from Singletary. Better X's and O's, but he's cut from the same rah-rah charismatic style of coaching as Sing.

I think you're certainly right about it being a dark horse candidate, SnakePlissken. What top flight coach in his right mind wants to take over our reclimation project anyway? I like the Mornhinweg suggestion, good resume, a dash of Niners' pedigree, and I think his type of offense is well suited to our roster. Better yet, I think it's a feasible hire.

Marty Mornhinweg would literally be the safe/cheap choice! He's a damn good coach/ballsy offensive mastermind who has out-coached many teams at Philly. Dude was literally screwed by Detroit after one season. He coached up Garcia (whilst being on both the 49ers and Eagles), Favre, Hasselbeck, and McNabb. Hell, even Kevin Kolb's mechanics looked (early) Hasselbeck-esq last Sunday.

I just see Gruden being a horrible idea at this time (even though he's a highly qualified candidate). This team is fed up with motivational speakers/yellers, they need some fresh air.

Mornhinweg would be Nolan 2.0 really good coordinator... bad head coach

You know the thing about Nolan is I don't think he was ever a good coordinator. The Ravens defense was so good during his tenure that anyone would have looked good "coaching" them. Truth is Marvin Lewis BUILT that defense and in my mind, only he can lay claim to it.

Nowhere else has Nolan gone and built a good defense from the ground up.

He was fired in Denver because even with Dumervil putting up (around) 20 sacks, they were still overall terrible. And if you want to know how he's doing in Miami.....see last week's game against the Patriots.

Did you know that Adalius Thomas first began to emerge on the Ravens when Nolan was the DC ? Suggs and Reed are in the same boat, both of them were drafted under Nolan (Suggs best career sack numbers came under Nolan). Lewis began the build of that defense and Nolan continued to build on his foundation and the defense continued to grow and develop under Rex Ryan as well. That team was fortunate to have 3 great DC's in succession, it also did not hurt that Ozzie Newsome did a tremendous job at the beginning of this decade with finding talent.

Did you also know Nolan was not fired in Denver, but resigned. And you can't expect a guy to switch defensive schemes whilst lacking the personnel to run it to have great success from day 1. Nolan helped lead Denver to a 6-0 start but eventually the lack of personnel became exposed and teams learned how to exploit them yet they still finished 7th overall in total defense (a defense that was ranked 29th the year prior).

In Miami they are currently ranked 7th overall in total defense. The last 2 weeks the performances haven't been great however they have dealt with the injury bug on the DL.

With the Giants he defense was fairly solid. His track as a DC speaks for itself, you can hate him as a HC all you want but to s**t on what he has done as a DC is blind hatred.

New England returned a KO for a TD, blocked 2 kicks that led to TDs (one was returned for a TD), and an INT for a TD. That's 28 of the 41 pts scored right there.

Thank you. I didn't watch that game but IIRC the Dolphins ST's coach was fired after the game.

The NY Giants, the #1 defense in the NFL right now allowed 38 points vs Indy already this year. You can go back and look at the multiple 30+ point games the Jets surrendered last year, and they were a top 5 D. Green Bay was as well, and they allowed multiple 30+ point games as well (and 50 in the playoffs). It happens to good defenses, they can't always stop everyone and hold teams under 15-20 points.

Like I said you can hate Nolan as a HC but to s**t on his abilities as a DC is blind hatred.

I have to agree with KRS-1 here, Nolan as a DC, shoot, I'd take him as a DC over Manusky. Hate on me all you people want, but he's a damn good DC and he keeps proving it with different teams (aside from the 9ers of course).
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by plinius9mm:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by kray28:
Originally posted by AiNoKea:
Originally posted by SY9er8:
http://www.sfexaminer.com/sports/Dickey-Time-for-the-Niners-to-move-on-from-Singletary-104128248.html


THIS!!!!!

Very solid article, but that was two games ago when that article was written, wonder what he thinks now??

Not sure how Dickey arrives at the idea that Chucky would be willing to step into this steaming pile of poop at mid-season.

You want Chucky, you can start talking to him now, but he won't start work until January at the earliest.



If Jed wants Gruden he better open his momma's purse.

Everybody's got a price. Gruden can be ours for the right price.
Gruden would be VERY expensive. Given his experience in Oakland, he would want a major voice in overall operations in addition to HC. Whether or not Jed would give him the control he would demand is a big question. I can't see him coming here without anything less.

A better fit would be Jim Harbaugh. The Bay Area has seen him build that Stanford program and he has a legit offensive pedigree.

First the 49ers need a football guy in the GM chair. Until Jed does that, he will be sending a message he still doesn't understand the business his Daddy gave him.

College coaches are rarely successful in the NFL. Has Harbaugh ever coached at any level in the NFL ?
Well, "rarely" is a bit of an over-statement because there have been some very successful ones.

As to Harbaugh, he played in the NFL and his brother coaches the Ravens. He runs an offense that is not so different from pro offenses.

The biggest hurdle college coaches have is that they cannot adjust from the father figure mentality of a college coach to the tactician of the NFL.
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by baltien:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Originally posted by BubbaParisMVP:
Originally posted by SnakePlissken:
Originally posted by CaptainTabasco:
whoever we replace Sing with i just hope its not gruden... i am praying to god that its not gruden

My money says it's gonna be somebody we don't expect. Hopefully it'll be Marty Mornhinweg. His WCO ripped us a new ass last Sunday.

I agree with both posters.

Gruden is quite a way down my list of candidates, too, CptTabasco. I just don't think he's that much of a break from Singletary. Better X's and O's, but he's cut from the same rah-rah charismatic style of coaching as Sing.

I think you're certainly right about it being a dark horse candidate, SnakePlissken. What top flight coach in his right mind wants to take over our reclimation project anyway? I like the Mornhinweg suggestion, good resume, a dash of Niners' pedigree, and I think his type of offense is well suited to our roster. Better yet, I think it's a feasible hire.

Marty Mornhinweg would literally be the safe/cheap choice! He's a damn good coach/ballsy offensive mastermind who has out-coached many teams at Philly. Dude was literally screwed by Detroit after one season. He coached up Garcia (whilst being on both the 49ers and Eagles), Favre, Hasselbeck, and McNabb. Hell, even Kevin Kolb's mechanics looked (early) Hasselbeck-esq last Sunday.

I just see Gruden being a horrible idea at this time (even though he's a highly qualified candidate). This team is fed up with motivational speakers/yellers, they need some fresh air.

Mornhinweg would be Nolan 2.0 really good coordinator... bad head coach

You know the thing about Nolan is I don't think he was ever a good coordinator. The Ravens defense was so good during his tenure that anyone would have looked good "coaching" them. Truth is Marvin Lewis BUILT that defense and in my mind, only he can lay claim to it.

Nowhere else has Nolan gone and built a good defense from the ground up.

He was fired in Denver because even with Dumervil putting up (around) 20 sacks, they were still overall terrible. And if you want to know how he's doing in Miami.....see last week's game against the Patriots.

Did you know that Adalius Thomas first began to emerge on the Ravens when Nolan was the DC ? Suggs and Reed are in the same boat, both of them were drafted under Nolan (Suggs best career sack numbers came under Nolan). Lewis began the build of that defense and Nolan continued to build on his foundation and the defense continued to grow and develop under Rex Ryan as well. That team was fortunate to have 3 great DC's in succession, it also did not hurt that Ozzie Newsome did a tremendous job at the beginning of this decade with finding talent.

Did you also know Nolan was not fired in Denver, but resigned. And you can't expect a guy to switch defensive schemes whilst lacking the personnel to run it to have great success from day 1. Nolan helped lead Denver to a 6-0 start but eventually the lack of personnel became exposed and teams learned how to exploit them yet they still finished 7th overall in total defense (a defense that was ranked 29th the year prior).

In Miami they are currently ranked 7th overall in total defense. The last 2 weeks the performances haven't been great however they have dealt with the injury bug on the DL.

With the Giants he defense was fairly solid. His track as a DC speaks for itself, you can hate him as a HC all you want but to s**t on what he has done as a DC is blind hatred.

No, it isn't blind hatred. Nolan has done nothing to me personally for me to hate him, but facts are facts. Sure this is just some random guy on the internet talking, but I live in Baltimore. And everyone here knows that the Ravens are Ozzie Newsome's team.

Period.

HE and he alone has the final say in who gets drafted. He's the one that picked the star players you named, and while I'm sure Nolan had some input, it's doubtful it was little more than just that. Input. Hell, you can look at our roster if you need evidence that Nolan knows pretty much nothing about drafting defense.

He gave us Patrick Willis, but aside from him who else?

Lewis built Baltimore's D in to the monster it is. Newsome's drafting talents have kept them among the best. Nolan manage to not mess it up, but I wouldn't give him props for taking it to the next level. That's just flat-out not true.

As far as Denver, yes they finished 7th in yards allowed, but 12th in points allowed (that stat that matters more), allowing an average of over 30 points in their last four games. Want to guess why they didn't make the playoffs? So yea, he resigned but was likely going to be fired anyway.

And in Miami it's the same story. Third in total yards allowed, but 12th in total points, including last week's embarrassment versus the Pats. So while I wish him well, I have to say history isn't on his side here.

I'm not saying he's a terrible DC, I'm just saying that he's not a great one either.
Maybe Yahoo should come coach this team...
Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by ninerfan42:
Other teams are having no problem figuring how to stop the niners. This is due to Singletary's stagnant philosophy. This will only change with a change at head coach. Singletary is too set in his ways. I love the guy, but he is a motivational speaker, not a head coach.

The front office feels that nobody on the coaching staff can step in and turn the team around. I concur.

So who do we get? Here is my list of possibilities, in no particular order:

Jack Del Rio
John Gruden
John Fox

Personally, I prefer Chucky, and the other two are currently employed. What are your thoughts?

I really don't understand the WZ's infatuation with Gruden. Dude won with Tony Dungee's team and ruined that team afterward. He was lucky to get a previously overlooked quality QB and some talented but aging vets while with the Raiders.

I will HATE watching his dumb faces on the sidelines if he is hired in SF. IMO the largest indictment on Gruden is that fact that he is still broadcasting when sooooo many jobs have become available since he got canned in TB.

So who do you want?
  • ZRF80
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Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by Archie:
Mariucci would be great but you know he would get rid of Alex Smith and bring in his own quarterback.
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Offensive minded coaches in the ranks:

Gruden
Martz
Mariucci
Morhinweg


Couldnt imagine York bringing in someone like Dungy or Cowher after the Singletary/Nolan debacle.

It'll prob come down to Gruden. Although Mariucci (2nd stint in SF ?) could be an interesting pick. After all, he rebuilt the team in 3 years after the "dynasty" fell.

Mooch didn't build that team. He was just the coach. Walsh rebuilt it when Eddie D. hired him away from Stanford for one final time -- and he served as GM.

Walsh found Garcia and also conducted a couple of drafts that brought some solid players onboard -- and also made a couple of key free agent signings.

Walsh built it. Mooch coached it -- and I'll give Mooch credit -- he coached it well.

But when Mooch couldn't recreate that success in Detroit -- that was telling. I don't think Mooch is the answer. I'm not sure if Gruden is either.

Thats the beauty of Mooch. He knows his limits. He wont try to impose his will and build a team that caters to his philosophy (see Mike Singletary). He'll take the group of players that he has and will coach them to the best of his ability. PLUS, he's a WCO guy....
Maybe the greatest extraordinary act would be to win one game.

If the Raiders win this week.....
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Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by plinius9mm:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by kray28:
Originally posted by AiNoKea:
Originally posted by SY9er8:
http://www.sfexaminer.com/sports/Dickey-Time-for-the-Niners-to-move-on-from-Singletary-104128248.html


THIS!!!!!

Very solid article, but that was two games ago when that article was written, wonder what he thinks now??

Not sure how Dickey arrives at the idea that Chucky would be willing to step into this steaming pile of poop at mid-season.

You want Chucky, you can start talking to him now, but he won't start work until January at the earliest.



If Jed wants Gruden he better open his momma's purse.

Everybody's got a price. Gruden can be ours for the right price.
Gruden would be VERY expensive. Given his experience in Oakland, he would want a major voice in overall operations in addition to HC. Whether or not Jed would give him the control he would demand is a big question. I can't see him coming here without anything less.

A better fit would be Jim Harbaugh. The Bay Area has seen him build that Stanford program and he has a legit offensive pedigree.

First the 49ers need a football guy in the GM chair. Until Jed does that, he will be sending a message he still doesn't understand the business his Daddy gave him.

College coaches are rarely successful in the NFL. Has Harbaugh ever coached at any level in the NFL ?
Well, "rarely" is a bit of an over-statement because there have been some very successful ones.

As to Harbaugh, he played in the NFL and his brother coaches the Ravens. He runs an offense that is not so different from pro offenses.

The biggest hurdle college coaches have is that they cannot adjust from the father figure mentality of a college coach to the tactician of the NFL.

Harbaugh was an assistant coach with the Oakland Raiders in 2002–2003. In 2002 he was an offensive assistant coach, and in 2003 he was the quarterbacks coach.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Maybe the greatest extraordinary act would be to win one game.

If the Raiders win this week.....

If we lose to Oakland Singletary will be fired Monday morning.
Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Maybe the greatest extraordinary act would be to win one game.

If the Raiders win this week.....

If we lose to Oakland Singletary will be fired Monday morning.

This