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Manusky Should Be Fired!

Originally posted by dmax:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by lamontb:
And Mausky scheme is just way to vanilla for a 3-4. They have a 3-4 that never attacks.

This is the biggest reason right here. The problem is, I don't know which came first, the chicken or the egg. Is Manusky ultra vanilla (esp. for a 3-4 coach) b/c he doesn't have the players to execute a real 3-4 defense or is he too pussified from his Nolan & Singletary influence? Singletary says a defense is only as good as it's pass rush so I'm thinking Manusky is just vanilla. How one goes from San Diego to here and becomes vanilla is beyond me.

We have a non-prototypical one-gap NT who's getting abused this year, teams continue to double and triple down on Smith and until Sunday has been unheard from all season, Sopoaga is having his best year as a run stopper but zero pass rush, Lawson and Haralson as well as Brooks and LaBoy are constantly 20 yards down field covering, Willis is getting owned and rarely are he and Spikes even used, let alone effective in any middle blitz, we have Goldson and Mays and neither are ever used to blitz nor are our CB's who are very good blitzers.

My biggest issue is how soft his scheme is esp. when the game is on the line. He goes ULTRA prevent (a win) making it very easy to throw down the middle of the field (huge issue for us) and deep sideline outs to stop the clock, having his CB's play 15 yards off WR's and putting tards like Brown one-on-one with the other teams best WR (R. White), can't stop a screen pass to save our lives, etc. When a QB or a flared out RB can waltz 10-20 yards down the middle of the field before even being touched that is a huge problem. And let's not talk about how fundamentally UNsound this teams is...zero team-tackling, tons of missed tackles, very poor angles, technique, bone-headed plays, time out issues and sub's, etc.

The bottom line is that Manusky is almost always outcoached and never seems to learn from his mistakes...ever. We've had the exact same problems on defense for years and years now with the exact same personnel. He has ZERO excuses and I'm tired of him getting a free pass.

The offense has been moving the ball this year and is even with the defense in TOP. The defenses TOP is most in part b/c they can't get off the field and now cause very few TO's and very little, if any sacks. This is the most unclutch defense you will find in the NFL...owned by Seattle and KC on every level, offense scores opening drives, we automatically give up a TD, late field goals against ATL, NO & now Philly, etc.

Manusky IS the Jimmy Raye of offense. Period. Right now, this defense is way below average.

And for dillholes who keep trying to blame the defenses issues on Alex Smith, er, I mean the "offense" check this out:
Pittsburgh is #32 in total offense and they are 3-1 WITHOUT their Superbowl winning QB. Their DEFENSE has only given up 50 points.
Niners are #19 in offense and 0-5; hardly inept even with the TO's. Our defense has given up 123 (I don't count the 7 Alex gave up on Sunday).

Our defense has only obtained 4 TO's while the Steelers have gathered up 9 TO's (through 4 games). While our offense has turned the ball over, it's compounded when your defense does next to nothing in the same exact category. Both units have been equally terrible in the TO category.

PS: Mods, we can add this and the other defensive threads into the Official Defense thread?

BRILLANT

Completely agree. Now leave NT and take your logic with you. How DARE you make sense...
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Pittsburgh is an elite NFL defense. They have 2 dominant edge rushers we have 0, and they have the best safety in the game too. You're bashing Manusky but I really think our average defense reflects on McNolanSing. They never understood the importance of an edge rusher in the 3-4.

This is my problem with McNolanSing. In order for us to win we have to be Pittsburgh or Baltimore. Not just really good defense, but historically great defense.

Yes and no. I agree that the Steelers and Ravens are elite defenses and 1) Had a philosophy 2) Got the personnel to run it and 3) Are very successful in it with great coaching and leadership year after year after year

But no in that despite our constant changes in philosophy from a 4-3, 3-4, hybrid, bend-and-break, sacks by committee defense, etc. that doesn't dismiss the fact that Manusky continues to make the same mistakes as he did from day one and hasn't appeared to grow with the same personnel. In fact, at this stage, he should be peaking with this group as he's had the same starting lineup for many years now.

Granted, like I said previously, I don't know which came first, the chicken or the egg and I agree that management, while adding many expensive parts to this defense and having a strong focus in the draft, still is missing the boat when it comes to building, coaching and running a proper 3-4. We have many one-dimensional players on this team and few are equipped for a true 3-4 such as the aforementioned teams.

In short, it's Manusky's job to identify the same three things as mentioned for management and then take it on himself to ensure we ARE a Steelers or a Ravens team...or if we don't have the talent, a Jets defense high on scheme. After all, it's HIS job we're talking about today.

So far, he's regressed and that shouldn't go unnoticed.

I think that's the problem right there. We've never upgraded the personnel. We've known that our linebackers couldn't get to the QB for years now and have only addressed the issue with band aid solutions.

While I get what you're saying unfortunately the squeakiest wheel always gets the grease and upgrading our pass rush hasn't been a priority of the past few years. Hell we've drafted 1 outside linebacker in the top 3 rounds since McNolan took over. Does that sound like an organization that knows how to build a dominant 3-4 defense to you? It's been nothing but band aids at Will from the start.

[ Edited by tjd808185 on Oct 12, 2010 at 16:37:57 ]
Originally posted by YorkHater:
When you have a motivational HC like Sing you need a Strong OC and DC.
I have been saying this since we fired Martz (who i think we should have kept).
Imagine if we had Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel with Sing? I would havve to assume we would not be 0-5.

Now for manusky
Vanilla Defense
Way too much Zone D
Not Enough Blitzing/Creativity

Seattle Game: Two TD's on the Same play, Hitch and Go to Reciever down the sideline.

Saints Game: Played Prevent on last drive and allowed D to get sliced like a hot knife through butter.

Chiefs: Completly outcoached and out smarted. Had no Idea of how they were going to use their personnel.

Atlanta: Probably the best game D played all year. But still Played Prevent on the last drive with 1:10 left and them having the ball on their own 15.

Eagles: Defense got beat by an injured O for Eagles. Jason Peters Injured. Mike Vick Injured. LeSean Mccoy Injured: Still got 92 yards. D was out of place and had no pass rush and again had no idea of how the Eagles were going to attack.

If I was Sing I would Fire Manusky and take over Defensive playcalling myself to see if I was really cut out to be a HC or just making myself look like a fool.
Sincerely,
FK The Yorks

YES! The man has no guts and no smarts. Everytime we need a stop on D when we have a slim lead. He effs up! He costs us the game!
Originally posted by YorkHater:
Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by YorkHater:
Originally posted by redrathman:

You must be one of those CASTRO niner fans

It's nice to see another posting on the zone.

PM your seats this Sunday and I'll swing by.


Not only will we be hunting down Raider fans, but we'll be hunting those traitors amongst us too huh??
you guys are ath same guys at the game with your wine and cheese telling the real niner fans to stop harassing fans of the other team...I live a block down from the stadium i can meet you in the parking lot if you want ill be in the RV lot tailgating, come see a real fan

Oh, now you want to meet me too?? That's real big of you to call someone out on a f**king internet site though.

Oh, and no wine, no cheese here. Just bomb-ass taquitos, coors and corona, and corridos hasta la madre tocando!
Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:
Originally posted by YorkHater:
Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by YorkHater:
Originally posted by redrathman:

You must be one of those CASTRO niner fans

It's nice to see another posting on the zone.

PM your seats this Sunday and I'll swing by.


Not only will we be hunting down Raider fans, but we'll be hunting those traitors amongst us too huh??
you guys are ath same guys at the game with your wine and cheese telling the real niner fans to stop harassing fans of the other team...I live a block down from the stadium i can meet you in the parking lot if you want ill be in the RV lot tailgating, come see a real fan

Oh, now you want to meet me too?? That's real big of you to call someone out on a f**king internet site though.

Oh, and no wine, no cheese here. Just bomb-ass taquitos, coors and corona, and corridos hasta la madre tocando!


those clips are so damn funny. by the way what are you two fighting about?
Originally posted by anubis5:
Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:
Originally posted by YorkHater:
Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by YorkHater:
Originally posted by redrathman:

You must be one of those CASTRO niner fans

It's nice to see another posting on the zone.

PM your seats this Sunday and I'll swing by.


Not only will we be hunting down Raider fans, but we'll be hunting those traitors amongst us too huh??
you guys are ath same guys at the game with your wine and cheese telling the real niner fans to stop harassing fans of the other team...I live a block down from the stadium i can meet you in the parking lot if you want ill be in the RV lot tailgating, come see a real fan

Oh, now you want to meet me too?? That's real big of you to call someone out on a f**king internet site though.

Oh, and no wine, no cheese here. Just bomb-ass taquitos, coors and corona, and corridos hasta la madre tocando!


those clips are so damn funny. by the way what are you two fighting about?

Yorkhater, who is probably a closet fan with 2 accounts, called Red out for b***h slapping him for his stupid post. I thought it was funny and I guess I'm in the cat fight too now.
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Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
I''m opening myself up for a flaming but I agree that Manusky has to go.
this D gets too much of a pass and Manusky is treated like royalty even though he's really not all that special. Our defense is not elite. We don't outscheme people.

He can't even figure out how to stop a screen pass. His blitzes are not very successful at generating pressure. We play with no disciple. Our defense gets flat out embarrassed on some occasions. Manusky doesn't know how to play defense against a two minute offense either.

Not saying he's a bad coordinator, he's just...very average.

Totally agree. I'm a defense type of guy so it gnaws on me to admit this one but the offense gets way too much stick. Not that they don't deserve it but the D seem bulletproof when the criticism is being laid out.

In my opinion Manusky has not shown sh!t for long enough to be considered HC material. His D is capable of performing but can't do it consistently enough.

When the Falcons were on their goal line did anyone of us think that the game was finished? No. We all knew that they could get up the park.

Sure it is personnel but if you don't have the players you make the schemes fit the ones you have.

The 49ers seem to have went from an organisation who had strength through guile to erm .... a sh!tty version of the bears?

[ Edited by Envy on Oct 12, 2010 at 18:16:09 ]
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
Manusky is fine... Seriously, we have pretty much the same personnel as last season except with the releasing of Lewis for T.Mays! Only problem is I believe, in regards to the run, is that blockers are keying in more on P.Willis. I think that's why we haven't seen much production out of him as of late.

It's b/c the d line is getting blown off the ball and not occupying 2 blockers thus the guards are getting to Willis easier preventing him from making plays.

and Mausky scheme is just way to vanilla for a 3-4. They have a 3-4 that never attacks.

I think you're pretty close to the truth. Last year it seemed he made the right calls and was calling the blitz at the right times. Hell, last year some games we looked damned scary. This year his play calling is so "Blah" and he seems very slow to adjust to the situation. The talent is there, the staff is just not using them right.
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Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:
Originally posted by anubis5:
Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:
Originally posted by YorkHater:
Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by YorkHater:
Originally posted by redrathman:

You must be one of those CASTRO niner fans

It's nice to see another posting on the zone.

PM your seats this Sunday and I'll swing by.


Not only will we be hunting down Raider fans, but we'll be hunting those traitors amongst us too huh??
you guys are ath same guys at the game with your wine and cheese telling the real niner fans to stop harassing fans of the other team...I live a block down from the stadium i can meet you in the parking lot if you want ill be in the RV lot tailgating, come see a real fan

Oh, now you want to meet me too?? That's real big of you to call someone out on a f**king internet site though.

Oh, and no wine, no cheese here. Just bomb-ass taquitos, coors and corona, and corridos hasta la madre tocando!


those clips are so damn funny. by the way what are you two fighting about?

Yorkhater, who is probably a closet fan with 2 accounts, called Red out for b***h slapping him for his stupid post. I thought it was funny and I guess I'm in the cat fight too now.

LOL that's some hilarious gif
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by YorkHater:
Originally posted by redrathman:

You must be one of those CASTRO niner fans

It's nice to see another posting on the zone.

PM your seats this Sunday and I'll swing by.


Richard and Sal from Howard Stern Show.
Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
I''m opening myself up for a flaming but I agree that Manusky has to go.
this D gets too much of a pass and Manusky is treated like royalty even though he's really not all that special. Our defense is not elite. We don't outscheme people.

He can't even figure out how to stop a screen pass. His blitzes are not very successful at generating pressure. We play with no disciple. Our defense gets flat out embarrassed on some occasions. Manusky doesn't know how to play defense against a two minute offense either.

Not saying he's a bad coordinator, he's just...very average.

Agree. We don't scheme or seem to adjust very well before or during a gmae!