Great segment. Love Steve Young. Great analysis of the Turmoil the Niners are going through.
But in the end... how many QB's in the league now... and retired... have had as many chances as Alex Smith has had? I've never in my lifetime of watching this sport... seen any QB get as many chances this guy has had... They handle this kid like somebody's autistic child that might turn the corner and become normal... It's time to cut him loose. Seriously. This is exhausting.
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Oct 7, 2010 at 9:45 AM
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Oct 7, 2010 at 9:49 AM
- Jiks
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It's Alex's fault just as much as anybody elses on the team. You can't narrow it down to one specific player or coach. I can't think of a single player that hasn't helped this team lose. It's just easiest to blame the QB. Every player has made crucial mistakes.
Oct 7, 2010 at 9:52 AM
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hopefully, at 0-4 everyone will loosen up and play with freedom.
But given how incapable Singletary is of controlling his emotions or quickly shifting his gears, I don't see this happening soon (or soon enough). I think DJ43 has hit the nail on the head here.
But given how incapable Singletary is of controlling his emotions or quickly shifting his gears, I don't see this happening soon (or soon enough). I think DJ43 has hit the nail on the head here.
Oct 7, 2010 at 9:52 AM
- Kolohe
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Originally posted by RYPTOUT:
Great segment. Love Steve Young. Great analysis of the Turmoil the Niners are going through.
But in the end... how many QB's in the league now... and retired... have had as many chances as Alex Smith has had? I've never in my lifetime of watching this sport... seen any QB get as many chances this guy has had... They handle this kid like somebody's autistic child that might turn the corner and become normal... It's time to cut him loose. Seriously. This is exhausting.
I agree, Smith has had the longest leash of any QB we've seen lately.
Oct 7, 2010 at 9:55 AM
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Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by RYPTOUT:
Great segment. Love Steve Young. Great analysis of the Turmoil the Niners are going through.
But in the end... how many QB's in the league now... and retired... have had as many chances as Alex Smith has had? I've never in my lifetime of watching this sport... seen any QB get as many chances this guy has had... They handle this kid like somebody's autistic child that might turn the corner and become normal... It's time to cut him loose. Seriously. This is exhausting.
I agree, Smith has had the longest leash of any QB we've seen lately.
He has a leash
first i;ve heard
Oct 7, 2010 at 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by cxzhou83:
Steve Young as OWNER someday for the 49ers?
*fixed
Oct 7, 2010 at 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by tn9er:Originally posted by dj43:
Another thread that has turned into an Alex Smith thread.
Doesn't anyone remember the parts of the interview where Young noted that there are "several other guys" who are playing below the standard? Or where he noted that coaching and the environment good coaching provides plays a huge role in the outcome of the games?
Young noted near the beginning of the interview that the 49ers are so "tight" right now that he didn't know if they could play well. This starts from a coach that is so tight that he is constantly on the officials about every close call, often running out onto the field to yell at players or officials, is so tight he cannot exhibit the common sportsmanship function of shaking hands with the opposing coach after the game. All of these things weigh heavily on the players. It is hard to "let it rip" under those conditions.
I like Mike Singletary as a person but his temperment and lack of experience are a central issue with the failure of this team to achieve anything close to expectations.
We need a "Bellhop" moment...
Yep, that was a classic bit of Bill Walsh genius to keep a young team loose before the biggest stage of their careers.
To this day, I fully regret not spending the $700.00 to go to that game.
I just couldn't afford it at the time.
Oct 7, 2010 at 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by tn9er:I share the same regret. I had pre-paid for a heli-ski trip to Canada months before. I couldn't afford to give that up and go to Detroit. We had been allocated two tickets for the game so a friend went with my ticket. Had a great time but had to walk about 10 blocks due to traffic congestion from the snow.Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by tn9er:Originally posted by dj43:
Another thread that has turned into an Alex Smith thread.
Doesn't anyone remember the parts of the interview where Young noted that there are "several other guys" who are playing below the standard? Or where he noted that coaching and the environment good coaching provides plays a huge role in the outcome of the games?
Young noted near the beginning of the interview that the 49ers are so "tight" right now that he didn't know if they could play well. This starts from a coach that is so tight that he is constantly on the officials about every close call, often running out onto the field to yell at players or officials, is so tight he cannot exhibit the common sportsmanship function of shaking hands with the opposing coach after the game. All of these things weigh heavily on the players. It is hard to "let it rip" under those conditions.
I like Mike Singletary as a person but his temperment and lack of experience are a central issue with the failure of this team to achieve anything close to expectations.
We need a "Bellhop" moment...
Yep, that was a classic bit of Bill Walsh genius to keep a young team loose before the biggest stage of their careers.
To this day, I fully regret not spending the $700.00 to go to that game.
I just couldn't afford it at the time.
Oct 7, 2010 at 10:20 AM
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Steve Young saying the coaches are holding back Alex Smith is like Ronnie Lott saying coaches were holding back Mike Rumph.
Oh well, it's a home game. The defense will light it up and the run game will be strong with some occasional passes to a WR and Gore have a great day in all purpose yards.
Oh well, it's a home game. The defense will light it up and the run game will be strong with some occasional passes to a WR and Gore have a great day in all purpose yards.
Oct 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM
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Steve basically laid a bulk of the blame at Singletary's doorstep, and rightfully so.
He wasn't ready to just blame Alex like so many here are doing. I really do believe that Alex's struggles are more of a symptom of a greater problem rather than the root cause. He's basically playing scared, and playing not to lose....because that's the mentality he's been drilled with by Singletary....basically, "don't lose us the game".
I think one of the biggest factors to success is losing the fear of failure....and I think Alex is surrounded by a mentality of fear, which is what in many ways is acting to hold him back.
The concept that the defensive head coach should keep his nose out of the offense is well known, and nothing new. Why is it even being discussed? When a guy like Steve Young brings something like that up, there's really no greater indictment against Singletary.
He wasn't ready to just blame Alex like so many here are doing. I really do believe that Alex's struggles are more of a symptom of a greater problem rather than the root cause. He's basically playing scared, and playing not to lose....because that's the mentality he's been drilled with by Singletary....basically, "don't lose us the game".
I think one of the biggest factors to success is losing the fear of failure....and I think Alex is surrounded by a mentality of fear, which is what in many ways is acting to hold him back.
The concept that the defensive head coach should keep his nose out of the offense is well known, and nothing new. Why is it even being discussed? When a guy like Steve Young brings something like that up, there's really no greater indictment against Singletary.
Oct 7, 2010 at 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by kray28:
Steve basically laid a bulk of the blame at Singletary's doorstep, and rightfully so.
He wasn't ready to just blame Alex like so many here are doing. I really do believe that Alex's struggles are more of a symptom of a greater problem rather than the root cause. He's basically playing scared, and playing not to lose....because that's the mentality he's been drilled with by Singletary....basically, "don't lose us the game".
I think one of the biggest factors to success is losing the fear of failure....and I think Alex is surrounded by a mentality of fear, which is what in many ways is acting to hold him back.
The concept that the defensive head coach should keep his nose out of the offense is well known, and nothing new. Why is it even being discussed? When a guy like Steve Young brings something like that up, there's really no greater indictment against Singletary.
Steve Young didn't state it as a fact. Although, all we can hope is that he has talked to Rathman and Rathman feels the same way and then there may be some hope for Alex.
So this is all based on Steve Young's opinion which should be highly regarded but remember, great players don't always make for great other things. Young used to mentor Vick and that didn't help Vick much.
I'm not trying to devalue what Young is saying. We all know the philosophy was an issue. But now, it's desperate time and Singletary has proven to try anything that works just as long as it works. Every time we started to get into that passing mentality against ATL, Alex threw an INT and he got intimidated after the second one.
Oct 7, 2010 at 10:42 AM
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We have already played this card before.
Steve Young made similar statements during Nolan's regime and it led to Ralph Barbierei's "free alex" movement.
Defensive coaches don't know how to let an offense attack. Playing safe and conservative usually results in failure.
Steve Young made similar statements during Nolan's regime and it led to Ralph Barbierei's "free alex" movement.
Defensive coaches don't know how to let an offense attack. Playing safe and conservative usually results in failure.
Oct 7, 2010 at 10:43 AM
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STOP WITH THE CHECKDOWNS SMITH!!!
no WONDER we're almost DEAD last in points PER GAME!!!!!!!
no WONDER we're almost DEAD last in points PER GAME!!!!!!!
Oct 7, 2010 at 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
We have already played this card before.
Steve Young made similar statements during Nolan's regime and it led to Ralph Barbierei's "free alex" movement.
Defensive coaches don't know how to let an offense attack. Playing safe and conservative usually results in failure.
This is what people keep forgetting. They also keep forgetting this last game when we were passing much more but...for some reason...it we threw INTs.
Oct 7, 2010 at 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by defenderDX:
STOP WITH THE CHECKDOWNS SMITH!!!
no WONDER we're almost DEAD last in points PER GAME!!!!!!!
uh, the discussion we have been having is how much of that is the direct result of the offensive philosophy of Mike Singletary and how much latitude Smith has been given.
We all agree the offense needs to open up (all that is except Singletary apparently).