I've broken on through....to the other side.No longer an A.Smith fan

Originally posted by jcs:
He's a different passer than he was before the shoulder injury. I think he lost a bit of the arm strength that had him land #1 here and in the process lost his confidence in his mid to deep passing game. He also had and still has horrible mechanics and if any Walsh fan can tell you, you can't be a successful passer with bad feet. His accuracy hasn't really improved either since his rookie year. A.Smith is never going to get better, we've seen the best he has.

he definitely lost arm strength

Originally posted by mug0mug:
It wasn't really any one players' fault. What if Clements would've just not caught the pick instead of bringing it back 40 yards or so? He had a chance to win the game, but certainly didn't lose it.

Alex Smith didn't either. He had a good completion %, and made good decisions. There was the bad pass that Gore tipped up for a pick, and there was the ugly looking pick where he made a good initial read, but didn't recognize the guy breaking off his coverage of VD to make the pick. Other than that, he only had a few incompletions.

No one played bad today, and were we not 0-3 coming into it, the loss wouldn't feel so bad, but there were the same kind of mistakes that've continued to reappear for a team that seems to not know how to win.

So those 9+ points that Alex Smith left on the field didn't lose us the game?

Riiiiiight.

Originally posted by WestCoast:

Originally posted by jcs:
He's a different passer than he was before the shoulder injury. I think he lost a bit of the arm strength that had him land #1 here and in the process lost his confidence in his mid to deep passing game. He also had and still has horrible mechanics and if any Walsh fan can tell you, you can't be a successful passer with bad feet. His accuracy hasn't really improved either since his rookie year. A.Smith is never going to get better, we've seen the best he has.

he definitely lost arm strength

I remember MNF 2007 vs AZ he hit DJax down the sideline right through his hands and he dropped it, then he threw a 40 or 50 yard pass to Battle who fumbled at the 1 and we scored on the next play. He used to have a way better arm. Now he sucks at throwing down the sideline and they just put their safeties in the middle of the field. He's damaged goods IMO.

Originally posted by mug0mug:
It wasn't really any one players' fault. What if Clements would've just not caught the pick instead of bringing it back 40 yards or so? He had a chance to win the game, but certainly didn't lose it.

Alex Smith didn't either. He had a good completion %, and made good decisions. There was the bad pass that Gore tipped up for a pick, and there was the ugly looking pick where he made a good initial read, but didn't recognize the guy breaking off his coverage of VD to make the pick. Other than that, he only had a few incompletions.

No one played bad today, and were we not 0-3 coming into it, the loss wouldn't feel so bad, but there were the same kind of mistakes that've continued to reappear for a team that seems to not know how to win.

well watching all this loses are the same every game except with different results of losing/ not prepared/tipped balls interceptions/ fumbles lost/ FG/ Im just sick of tired of it as a fan

we should pick up Garcia!

Originally posted by bigtony2tone:

Originally posted by BrianGO:

Originally posted by bigtony2tone:

Originally posted by GoalLineStand:

I still can't believe the Niners took this guy over Rodgers. They were rated about even at the time but a project QB over the local favorite? PR blunder if nothing else at the time.

This argument annoys me. Do you really think Aaron Rodgers would've succeeded if he were in Alex Smith's shoes? And can you really say Alex wouldn't have succeeded if it were the other way? Rodgers had about as perfect a situation as can be. Alex had about as bad. Not saying Alex will ever be anything as he's damaged goods now. But come on.

Last season, Rogers was sacked more than any other player in the league, yet he still led one of the elite offenses in the league to the playoffs by throwing perfect, pinpoint passes to receivers who barely have a step on the defender.

Are these throws the result of being "mentored?"

Sam Bradford was arguably thrown into the worst possible situation a quarterback could have been thrown in, yet the Rams have been competitive in every game and Bradford is a pleasure to watch 4 games into his rookie season.

In year 6, watching Smith still resembles a trip to the dentist.

Bradford was considered a top-tier prospect. The only sliver of doubt with him was due to injury.

Rodgers had 3 years to sit behind a HoF QB and learn. He also had a team more or less built for him to step into. He also has been in the same system for his entire career.

It is impossible to know what would have happened to X player in Y situation. Its pure speculation.

The only thing we do know is that many quarterbacks have succeeded in situations just as bad and worse than Alex Smith had. That is the only thing we know for sure.

Originally posted by mug0mug:
It wasn't really any one players' fault. What if Clements would've just not caught the pick instead of bringing it back 40 yards or so? He had a chance to win the game, but certainly didn't lose it.

Alex Smith didn't either. He had a good completion %, and made good decisions. There was the bad pass that Gore tipped up for a pick, and there was the ugly looking pick where he made a good initial read, but didn't recognize the guy breaking off his coverage of VD to make the pick. Other than that, he only had a few incompletions.

No one played bad today, and were we not 0-3 coming into it, the loss wouldn't feel so bad, but there were the same kind of mistakes that've continued to reappear for a team that seems to not know how to win.

This. We didn't play bad but we didn't play great. It's still encouraging however because this team took a better team deep into the game and almost won. Had Nate just gone out of bounds when he recognized the Offensive Players ahead of him were more than likely going to impede his forward progress, we win. Instead they get a 2nd chance and we lose by 2.

It's sad that we're so hard up for a Win that we have to point fingers to lay blame.

I'm also encouraged because the Bears QBs' at home were Sacked TEN times in the 1st Half by the Giants. Smith was sacked what twice all game long?

He made good reads through most of the game and that Screen in the 2nd Quarter was a great read and throw to take advantage of the Blitz. Smith of old probably would have rushed the throw and it wouldn't have been caught. Even had touch on it.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by bigtony2tone:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by bigtony2tone:

Originally posted by GoalLineStand:

I still can't believe the Niners took this guy over Rodgers. They were rated about even at the time but a project QB over the local favorite? PR blunder if nothing else at the time.

This argument annoys me. Do you really think Aaron Rodgers would've succeeded if he were in Alex Smith's shoes? And can you really say Alex wouldn't have succeeded if it were the other way? Rodgers had about as perfect a situation as can be. Alex had about as bad. Not saying Alex will ever be anything as he's damaged goods now. But come on.

they are NOT CLONES OF EACH OTHER

Huh? I'm not saying they are. Rather one had a great situation to be drafted into while the other had a horrible one. Apples to oranges.

All QBs are not created equal.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by 49erJim:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

alex did not lose this game. Nate needs to go down. If he does game over. He tried to be a hero. We don't need heros we need smart TEAM players.

at least he made an incredible play in intercepting the ball in the first place, Ryan was ready to drive down field anyway.....and Nate also had a great game leading up to that...and so did most of our defense...even Haralson played well....and for a Rookie Taylor Mays did fine for his first ever start

what did Alex do to help the team to win today?

He played a typical Alex Smith game.

One touchdown -- two interceptions.

The Alexcusionists will tell you that's good enough for fifty points.

Someone else must be at fault.

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by mug0mug:
It wasn't really any one players' fault. What if Clements would've just not caught the pick instead of bringing it back 40 yards or so? He had a chance to win the game, but certainly didn't lose it.

Alex Smith didn't either. He had a good completion %, and made good decisions. There was the bad pass that Gore tipped up for a pick, and there was the ugly looking pick where he made a good initial read, but didn't recognize the guy breaking off his coverage of VD to make the pick. Other than that, he only had a few incompletions.

No one played bad today, and were we not 0-3 coming into it, the loss wouldn't feel so bad, but there were the same kind of mistakes that've continued to reappear for a team that seems to not know how to win.

This. We didn't play bad but we didn't play great. It's still encouraging however because this team took a better team deep into the game and almost won. Had Nate just gone out of bounds when he recognized the Offensive Players ahead of him were more than likely going to impede his forward progress, we win. Instead they get a 2nd chance and we lose by 2.

It's sad that we're so hard up for a Win that we have to point fingers to lay blame.

I'm also encouraged because the Bears QBs' at home were Sacked TEN times in the 1st Half by the Giants. Smith was sacked what twice all game long?

He made good reads through most of the game and that Screen in the 2nd Quarter was a great read and throw to take advantage of the Blitz. Smith of old probably would have rushed the throw and it wouldn't have been caught. Even had touch on it.

~Ceadder

Some of you guys just can't give it up, can you?

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by 49erJim:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

alex did not lose this game. Nate needs to go down. If he does game over. He tried to be a hero. We don't need heros we need smart TEAM players.

at least he made an incredible play in intercepting the ball in the first place, Ryan was ready to drive down field anyway.....and Nate also had a great game leading up to that...and so did most of our defense...even Haralson played well....and for a Rookie Taylor Mays did fine for his first ever start

what did Alex do to help the team to win today?

He played a typical Alex Smith game.

One touchdown -- two interceptions.

The Alexcusionists will tell you that's good enough for fifty points.

Someone else must be at fault.

lol Smith sucks but you do the same thing for Kevin Riley in the Cal thread.

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by mug0mug:
It wasn't really any one players' fault. What if Clements would've just not caught the pick instead of bringing it back 40 yards or so? He had a chance to win the game, but certainly didn't lose it.

Alex Smith didn't either. He had a good completion %, and made good decisions. There was the bad pass that Gore tipped up for a pick, and there was the ugly looking pick where he made a good initial read, but didn't recognize the guy breaking off his coverage of VD to make the pick. Other than that, he only had a few incompletions.

No one played bad today, and were we not 0-3 coming into it, the loss wouldn't feel so bad, but there were the same kind of mistakes that've continued to reappear for a team that seems to not know how to win.

This. We didn't play bad but we didn't play great. It's still encouraging however because this team took a better team deep into the game and almost won. Had Nate just gone out of bounds when he recognized the Offensive Players ahead of him were more than likely going to impede his forward progress, we win. Instead they get a 2nd chance and we lose by 2.

It's sad that we're so hard up for a Win that we have to point fingers to lay blame.

I'm also encouraged because the Bears QBs' at home were Sacked TEN times in the 1st Half by the Giants. Smith was sacked what twice all game long?

He made good reads through most of the game and that Screen in the 2nd Quarter was a great read and throw to take advantage of the Blitz. Smith of old probably would have rushed the throw and it wouldn't have been caught. Even had touch on it.

~Ceadder

Dude he did not play well. I know you like him and he is a nice guy but his INTs are killing us and costing us points. He needs to go, period. And this is coming from a supporter. He sucks.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by 49erJim:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

alex did not lose this game. Nate needs to go down. If he does game over. He tried to be a hero. We don't need heros we need smart TEAM players.

at least he made an incredible play in intercepting the ball in the first place, Ryan was ready to drive down field anyway.....and Nate also had a great game leading up to that...and so did most of our defense...even Haralson played well....and for a Rookie Taylor Mays did fine for his first ever start

what did Alex do to help the team to win today?

He played a typical Alex Smith game.

One touchdown -- two interceptions.

The Alexcusionists will tell you that's good enough for fifty points.

Someone else must be at fault.

lol Smith sucks but you do the same thing for Kevin Riley in the Cal thread.

Riley is 0-4 this year? Really?

Somebody needs a lesson in comparing apples to oranges.

Originally posted by 49erRider:

Originally posted by bigtony2tone:
This argument annoys me. Do you really think Aaron Rodgers would've succeeded if he were in Alex Smith's shoes? And can you really say Alex wouldn't have succeeded if it were the other way? Rodgers had about as perfect a situation as can be. Alex had about as bad. Not saying Alex will ever be anything as he's damaged goods now. But come on.

And your thinking annoys me.

While there's no way to say for sure that Rodgers would have been successful here and Smith unsuccessful there, their play gives an idea of what might have happened.

Rodgers makes plays out of nothing. Last year he was running for his life all the time, yet he still put up great numbers and became an elite QB. He makes things work. People can talk about him having more and better weapons to work with, but if our guys were getting accurate passes and our QB was making plays after his protection broke down like Rodgers does, our guys might look a hell of a lot better than they do.

On the other hand, Alex Smith can't even manage to throw a 10-yard pass without sailing it 5 feet over the intended target's head. He can't even throw a screen pass or checkdown to Gore's chest; those passes often lead Gore too much, sail high or end up thrown at his ankles, but Gore still makes the catch because he's just good. Alex Smith has no deep ball despite the nonsense being spewed before the season started. There's a reason Crabtree's catches often look fantastic when he does make a catch and that reason is because he's always having to stretch out and make great grabs with his hands. People supporting Alex will blame it on Crabtree for not playing in the preseason, but that's just them reaching for another excuse.

I can't say Aaron Rodgers would be what he is today if we had drafted him instead, but I'm positive he'd be better than Smith is right now. Maybe not as good as he is in Green Bay, but better than Alex Smith is in San Francisco. However, I'm very confident in saying Alex Smith would NOT have the success Rodgers is having if it were him that were being groomed behind Favre in Green Bay. He lacks all the things that make Rodgers good, and accuracy is the main issue. You can't coach accuracy in a QB. There are drills to help with it, but really they either have it or they don't, and Smith doesn't have it.

Bottom line: Things are the way they are. Rodgers is good now and Alex is not. Saying Alex Smith was a bad pick changes nothing. And if you want to go about your day thinking the 49ers are stupid for not selecting Rodgers over Smith fine. 9 other teams are equally stupid.

Alex Smith is what he is. Just good enough to lose the game. The past is history. What we do from here on out is the only thing that matters. Finding a top-quality NFL QB is probably the toughest thing to do in sports. Few QBs succeed in the NFL. And the ones that do rarely become available for teams that need one.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by 49erJim:

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

alex did not lose this game. Nate needs to go down. If he does game over. He tried to be a hero. We don't need heros we need smart TEAM players.

at least he made an incredible play in intercepting the ball in the first place, Ryan was ready to drive down field anyway.....and Nate also had a great game leading up to that...and so did most of our defense...even Haralson played well....and for a Rookie Taylor Mays did fine for his first ever start

what did Alex do to help the team to win today?

He played a typical Alex Smith game.

One touchdown -- two interceptions.

The Alexcusionists will tell you that's good enough for fifty points.

Someone else must be at fault.

lol Smith sucks but you do the same thing for Kevin Riley in the Cal thread.

Riley is 0-4 this year? Really?

Somebody needs a lesson in comparing apples to oranges.

We should have picked up T.Edwards. It's sad to say but we should have....