Yes!
not even close in my opinion and I watched Craig, Watters, and Hearst...
drafted in '05 with Alex the only QBs he's played with are Smith, Dilfer, O'Sullivan, Shaun Hill, etc. The defense is ALWAYS focused on stopping Gore. Yet he still produces...
4.7 career yards per carry (more than Hearst, Watters, or Craig)
most single season rush yards in 49er history
most single game rush yards in 49er history
most 100 yard games in 49er history
he currently has 5,711 career rush yards
he averages about 1,100 per season
at his current pace he will break the team rushing record before he's 30
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Is Gore the niners best RB EVER??
Is Gore the niners best RB EVER??
Sep 22, 2010 at 12:02 AM
- 49erFaithful6
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Sep 22, 2010 at 1:43 AM
- Allx9er
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good break down rider
looking at the stats and considering what frank has had to deal with while being the no1 option. it may get to the point where its a nobrainer
looking at the stats and considering what frank has had to deal with while being the no1 option. it may get to the point where its a nobrainer
Sep 22, 2010 at 1:52 AM
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UMMM....YEAH
Sep 22, 2010 at 3:58 AM
- Bayerrya
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Im 26 but ive always been old school.
You dont judge RB solely on statistics, you need to watch them run. Thats why we all know Barry Sanders is better than Emmitt Smith.
Gore is the best of the bunch, for the modern era. Watters was good, i liked him in any given sunday, Craig was awesome but perfectly cast in a role to suit his skills. Walsh was pretty good at doing that. Hearst is one of my favorite players of all time. But, the things that Frank does are almost unmatched. Two 80 yard runs in one game? Pretty good for a guy without breakaway speed.
But if you go back and really study history, Hugh McElhenny was special.
[ Edited by Bayerrya on Sep 22, 2010 at 04:00:28 ]
You dont judge RB solely on statistics, you need to watch them run. Thats why we all know Barry Sanders is better than Emmitt Smith.
Gore is the best of the bunch, for the modern era. Watters was good, i liked him in any given sunday, Craig was awesome but perfectly cast in a role to suit his skills. Walsh was pretty good at doing that. Hearst is one of my favorite players of all time. But, the things that Frank does are almost unmatched. Two 80 yard runs in one game? Pretty good for a guy without breakaway speed.
But if you go back and really study history, Hugh McElhenny was special.
[ Edited by Bayerrya on Sep 22, 2010 at 04:00:28 ]
Sep 22, 2010 at 4:08 AM
- a24hrdad
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Originally posted by Wodwo:Originally posted by bigmike55:
He needs that shiny little piece of jewelry on his finger they call a Superbowl ring, preferably more than one... in order to be in that catagory.
Ummm.... Barry Sanders says "Hi".
My thoughts exactly.
Sep 22, 2010 at 4:51 AM
- miked1978
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Yeah I beleive so and here is my reasoning. I became a fan in the 80s so I can't fairly judge anyone prior to Craig. Craig, Watters, and even Hearst played for 49er teams that were better that any team Gore has played for. Teams know we are going to run but yet Gore can still get yards. Thats why I would rank Gore #1.
If Ricky Watters would have stayed he would own a lot o Niner rushing records.
It's hard to knock Roger Craig because he did it all too.
If Ricky Watters would have stayed he would own a lot o Niner rushing records.
It's hard to knock Roger Craig because he did it all too.
Sep 22, 2010 at 7:21 AM
- Bejaard49er
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Having watched the Niners for over 40 years and my family having season tickets even longer I have had the privilege of watching Gore, Hearst, Tyler, Williams, Watters, and Craig.
I will say that in the era of modern 49er (NFL) football if Gore continues to play at the same level he has the last 5 years will clearly become the greatest modern era 49er ever. Beside his running ability his pass catching and blocking make him a superstar and one of the top 5 backs in the league. The above mentioned RB accept for Delvin Williams all played behind good to great OL, did not have 8 in the box (can't bring the safety up when you have Rice and Taylor to cover) all the time, led by 2 HOF QB who could audible to plays that were to the RB advantage.
Perry and McElhenny are HOF which says a lot. Their avg. yards per carry is through the roof for that era since the run was the dominant way of doing things back then and all teams loaded up for the run it makes that stat even more important, but it was a different time and era and you cannot compare the two.
I will say that in the era of modern 49er (NFL) football if Gore continues to play at the same level he has the last 5 years will clearly become the greatest modern era 49er ever. Beside his running ability his pass catching and blocking make him a superstar and one of the top 5 backs in the league. The above mentioned RB accept for Delvin Williams all played behind good to great OL, did not have 8 in the box (can't bring the safety up when you have Rice and Taylor to cover) all the time, led by 2 HOF QB who could audible to plays that were to the RB advantage.
Perry and McElhenny are HOF which says a lot. Their avg. yards per carry is through the roof for that era since the run was the dominant way of doing things back then and all teams loaded up for the run it makes that stat even more important, but it was a different time and era and you cannot compare the two.
Sep 22, 2010 at 8:29 AM
- Smokie
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Originally posted by Bayerrya:
Im 26 but ive always been old school.
You dont judge RB solely on statistics, you need to watch them run. Thats why we all know Barry Sanders is better than Emmitt Smith.
Gore is the best of the bunch, for the modern era. Watters was good, i liked him in any given sunday, Craig was awesome but perfectly cast in a role to suit his skills. Walsh was pretty good at doing that. Hearst is one of my favorite players of all time. But, the things that Frank does are almost unmatched. Two 80 yard runs in one game? Pretty good for a guy without breakaway speed.
But if you go back and really study history, Hugh McElhenny was special.
He looks great, but it is always a mistake to compare between different eras. I love the clips where he is not wearing a helmet!
Sep 22, 2010 at 10:42 AM
- GolittaCamper
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Originally posted by 49erRider:Originally posted by HaiGuise:Originally posted by BobS:
How can anyone rate him better that Craig, Watters , and Hearst? The best you could say was he was on par with those guys and that should statistically put him at 25% by random vote, he is at 60%. Did everyone forget those other 3?
My guess is that many who voted never got to see Craig, Watters, and maybe Hearst play.
This could be the case, but then there's people like myself - I got to see every one of them - who still say Gore is better and provide reasoning. He puts up numbers similar or better than all of them.
Gore's first 4 years as starter:
4,953 yards rushing, 4.75 yard average, 29 rushing TDs
1,700 yards receiving, 7 receiving TDs
Watters' first 4 years as starter (including first year with Philly):
4,113 yards rushing, 4.15 yard average, 36 rushing TDs
1,884 yards receiving, 9 receiving TDs
Hearst's 4 years as starter for us:
4,767 yards rushing, 4.71 yard average, 23 rushing TDs
1,393 yards receiving, 6 receiving TDs
Craig's first 4 years:
3,254 yards rushing, 4.34 yard average, 31 rushing TDs
2,742 yards receiving, 13 receiving TDs
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- Gore had 840 yards and an over half-a-yard higher average than Watters, but 6 less TDs rushing. Watters had 184 yards and 2 TDs more than Gore receiving.
- Gore had 186 yards and 6 TDs more than Hearst on the ground. He also had 307 yards and 1 TD more as a receiver.
- Gore had 1,699 yards and almost a half-a-yard higher average rushing, with 2 less TDs than Craig. He had 1,042 less yards and 6 less TDs receiving.
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After looking at the stats, you must also take into account the competence level of the respective players' teammates, coaching staffs and offensive systems. Gore is easily working with the least amount of talent in all categories. Also, you must take into account that teams were not stacking 8 and 9 men in the box to stop Craig, Watters or Hearst due to the fact they focused more on Joe Montana and Steve Young throwing to guys like Jerry Rice, John Taylor and Brent Jones, which should have translated to more success at least in the YPC average for Watters, Craig and Hearst. It did not. None of them averaged more yards per carry than Frank Gore.
It is my firm belief that if you plug Frank Gore into any of those offenses that Craig, Hearst and Watters worked with, his stats would be even higher and he'd be even more of a threat than he has been under incompetent coaches, schemes and linemen.
One thing your missing, is that Gore is the focal point of this offense, the "Bell Cow" it has been his team to the point that he gets two roster spots, one for him and one for his hand selected blocker Moran Norris!
Graig, Waters and Hearst were all offensive after thoughts. On pass happy teams they had to share touches, until the emergence of VD, and Crabs, Frank has been the man here, so his stats should be much higher based on the percentage of touches he receives in game.
And McElheny, put up his numbers in10 and 12 games seasons sharing touches with TWO other hall of famers!
[ Edited by GolittaCamper on Sep 22, 2010 at 10:52:07 ]
Sep 22, 2010 at 11:31 AM
- BETTERDAYZ9ERS
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He is the bestess
Sep 22, 2010 at 11:38 AM
- Joecool
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Originally posted by Smokie:Originally posted by Bayerrya:
Im 26 but ive always been old school.
You dont judge RB solely on statistics, you need to watch them run. Thats why we all know Barry Sanders is better than Emmitt Smith.
Gore is the best of the bunch, for the modern era. Watters was good, i liked him in any given sunday, Craig was awesome but perfectly cast in a role to suit his skills. Walsh was pretty good at doing that. Hearst is one of my favorite players of all time. But, the things that Frank does are almost unmatched. Two 80 yard runs in one game? Pretty good for a guy without breakaway speed.
But if you go back and really study history, Hugh McElhenny was special.
He looks great, but it is always a mistake to compare between different eras. I love the clips where he is not wearing a helmet!
Yes, those were the days when the cut-back across field always worked because of the lack of DL pursuit.
Gore can line up at WR.
If he had Walsh or even Shannahan, he would be lighting the fantasy points up in all around yardage.
Sep 22, 2010 at 11:43 AM
- znk916
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not that I see anyone getting into a pissing match about this, but I think we should all appreciate just how many great, hall of fame quality backs this franchise has been blessed with
I'd like to think Craig will make it eventually, and Gore should have a chance too at this rate
I'd like to think Craig will make it eventually, and Gore should have a chance too at this rate