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I think we cut the wrong QB !

Originally posted by WestCoast:
Originally posted by fister30:
I am one of the biggest Alex haters here. I've been hating on Alex since year two of his niner career. I know Alex is more ready than Nate Davis and will out perform David Carr.

But, WTF is Singletary thinking? Nate had the most upside of any of the three current niner QB's. Troy Smith is a black version of Shaun Hill. Troy has a serious case of the noodle arm.

I don't know exactly when this happened. But it seems like the niners are destined to become mediocre at best for the next several years.

Here is a prediction for everybody here. Sing's days are numbered as a head coach or his ability to cut players will be removed. Alex will play one year past Sing's tenure as a coach. The niners are now three years away from any resemblance of decent QB play.

yea! let's base the future of the niners on our backup qb's, that's it!

David Carr is a career back up. Nate Davis was a development project that Sing abandoned. Alex Smith is a back up, he doesn't realize it yet.

Troy Smith does not have a chance to become a quality starting QB in the NFL. Troy simply doesn't have the physical tools.
Originally posted by znk916:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
REALLY?

Okay EEEEEENough already.

Christ we're talking about the THIRD STRING QB!!!!!

I swear you would have though we traded Vernon Davis and Patrick Willis to the Cardinald for Matt Lienart and a 7th round pick.

Again say it with me .....

THIRD STRING.

dont joke around

GM has a point. He was here a full year and he only knows a fraction of the playbook. You would think that a guy in his situation and with his SITUATION, would work harder at their game to compensate for his deficiencies. Feel me?

[ Edited by ObePwnD on Sep 7, 2010 at 6:50 PM ]
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I am not happy with Carr at #2. If Alex goes down we are in real trouble. Hope Smith is healthy and can start all 16 games.
Originally posted by WestCoast:



and joke around here...
Originally posted by BobS:
I am not happy with Carr at #2. If Alex goes down we are in real trouble. Hope Smith is healthy and can start all 16 games.

Who else would you want though?

It is usually the case that when the starting QB goes down, their team is usually in big trouble. It is very rare for backup QBs to completely resurrect the sinking team.

-9fA
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by znk916:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
REALLY?

Okay EEEEEENough already.

Christ we're talking about the THIRD STRING QB!!!!!

I swear you would have though we traded Vernon Davis and Patrick Willis to the Cardinald for Matt Lienart and a 7th round pick.

Again say it with me .....

THIRD STRING.

dont joke around

GM has a point. He was here a full year and he only knows a fraction of the playbook. You would think that a guy in his situation and with his SITUATION, would work harder at their game to compensate for his deficiencies. Feel me?


Alex is just learning the playbook and he has had over 60% 0f the snaps while Davis has gotten maybe 5%. But regardless of that, Davis looked better than Smith lat preseason and looks better than Carr this preseason. It is sad to say, but Sing has demonstrated a lack of coaching and leadership ability here. What makes good coaches good is that they coach towards their talent and Davis has talent. Good leadership encourages; not discourages. People here are right to have a bad feeling about this one as every objective indication suggest that this was a bad move. He did not deserve all of the cricism that he recieved; not with scrubs like Byham making the team. The blocking that I saw him do resulted in him getting knocked on his butt. He could not hold on to the difficult catch when he got popped becasue he slowed down after his cut and simply dropped passes that were righ in his had, but you keep this scrub over Davis? Sing is on some BS!

I am tired of hearing that BS about the only thing Davis could do is improvise and make plays. Hell, he is a playmaker; and that is what they do! MAKE PLAYS; which he has shown far more ability that any of the high IQ,intellegent and hard working system QB's on this squad. Damn right Davis will be selected and he should not even take Sings call. Da hell with him with his backward azz; no vision; under-developing coaching; text book, stale mentality. Alex better show up and Sing better win; or both of them a feel the swing door hit them where sing conducts his motivational speaking and the sun don't shine. I hate a coward MF; which is what he is proving to be. No resiliance.

You don't bring a man in who you already know requires special attention; give him minimal snaps although this is how he best learns; publicly criticize him for not being on the same level as the others who have been in the league much longer; call him up on a holiday to tell him he is being cut and then talk about wanting him back. Sing needs to kiss his own azz for that one.
Originally posted by eastie:
Originally posted by DesiDez:
I'm just glad the scientific community has already diagnosed Nate's learning disability.

Hopefully, they discover whatever disability Alex suffers from and can help future kids who aspire to be NFL QBs.

His only disability is idiots like you, who think they are smarter than the ones who ACTUALLY play the game. AS a side note he graduated from a 4 year school in two years. How'd you do?

My last comment must have struck a chord when my educational background gets called out on a message board.

Keep thinking Alex is the future....that's like trying to stick a square peg into a round hole.

Originally posted by global_nomad:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
I like Nate Davis, I think he has potential, I am a fan not a coach who sees Davis every day. I am not Davis's boss, I don't hand him assignments and see wether he completes them or not. As much as I know about football (it seems like a lot to me) the coaching staff knows more.

Davis was electrifying; at times. As much as I thought of Davis it was clear to me he didn't get it. Their are some QBs, Michael Vick for one who call the play wait for it to break down then they improvise. Davis LOOKED (remember I'm just a fan) like this was his style.

David Carr looks pretty bad, but I am willing to bet he out hustled Davis, and spent more time studying, or things might be different. Carr as bad as he looks, must be making the right reads, the right pre-snap adjustments, and setting up his blocking accordingly, he simply sucks once the ball is snapped. I would assume that the coaching staff would rather have the play run poorly rather than not at all, this makes coaches feel like they are in charge.

Troy (new) Smith has loads of upside, and raw talent, if not for an injury he would have started over the rookie Flaco. He already has a basic understanding of our offense and will undoubtedly pass Carr on the depth chart. He may not pass him this season, but he will pass him.

Troy Smith is a real threat to Alex Smith come next season, this puts Alex on the hot seat, and gives the us an option should Alex choose to leave.(imagine Alex blowing up this year and leaving)

Nate Davis is special mostly to us, the Niner Fans. Nate Davis is not a household name, if Nate were tradable (is that a word tradable?) We might have moved him. I don't think (I don't really) that many teams are looking to add him and we will be able to move him to the PS.

Coaches get a grace period of 2-3 seasons to turn a team around, Singletary is in his second (I don't count his interim season). Sing can't afford to have too many projects on the team (one of Nolans big problems), he needs winners now. He is not all that impressed with Davis or Carr, so Troy makes so much sense I can't believe I am still typing.

So the nobody could make a serous argument that the team is not stronger. Nobody can make a real argument that the team is not better prepared for the season, and well set for the future. After all, think back to just last year, S. Hill, A. Smith, and N. Davis really that was our stable of QB's. I for one Like A. Smith, New Smith and Carr!

Given that Smith willingly took a pay cut to stay a Niner, I think his heart is in San Francisco. Don't really think if he is not here next year it will be because he chose not to be. I have a feeling he is going to improve this year and be a top 10-15 qb.

I hope your right on both counts, but if you job (Sings does) depended on it would you hedge you bet by adding a QB who could be ready to start sooner rather than later (T.Smith v Davis)?

I think Smith was added because he knew the system, he also doesn't have a learning disability like Davis.

not only does he not have a learning disability, he Smith works his ass off, and is everything that Singletary likes. Sing also said he wouldn't mind Smith pushing Carr for the back up role just because he wants to promote competition and work ethic within the locker room no matter where on the depth chart you are.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/09/06/10/Maiocco-Commitment-Not-a-Question-with-T/landing_maiocco_v3.html?blockID=305403&feedID=5936

As much as I like Davis, I gotta say...GREAT MOVE
Originally posted by ttime1:
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by znk916:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
REALLY?

Okay EEEEEENough already.

Christ we're talking about the THIRD STRING QB!!!!!

I swear you would have though we traded Vernon Davis and Patrick Willis to the Cardinald for Matt Lienart and a 7th round pick.

Again say it with me .....

THIRD STRING.

dont joke around

GM has a point. He was here a full year and he only knows a fraction of the playbook. You would think that a guy in his situation and with his SITUATION, would work harder at their game to compensate for his deficiencies. Feel me?


Alex is just learning the playbook and he has had over 60% 0f the snaps while Davis has gotten maybe 5%. But regardless of that, Davis looked better than Smith lat preseason and looks better than Carr this preseason. It is sad to say, but Sing has demonstrated a lack of coaching and leadership ability here. What makes good coaches good is that they coach towards their talent and Davis has talent. Good leadership encourages; not discourages. People here are right to have a bad feeling about this one as every objective indication suggest that this was a bad move. He did not deserve all of the cricism that he recieved; not with scrubs like Byham making the team. The blocking that I saw him do resulted in him getting knocked on his butt. He could not hold on to the difficult catch when he got popped becasue he slowed down after his cut and simply dropped passes that were righ in his had, but you keep this scrub over Davis? Sing is on some BS!

I am tired of hearing that BS about the only thing Davis could do is improvise and make plays. Hell, he is a playmaker; and that is what they do! MAKE PLAYS; which he has shown far more ability that any of the high IQ,intellegent and hard working system QB's on this squad. Damn right Davis will be selected and he should not even take Sings call. Da hell with him with his backward azz; no vision; under-developing coaching; text book, stale mentality. Alex better show up and Sing better win; or both of them a feel the swing door hit them where sing conducts his motivational speaking and the sun don't shine. I hate a coward MF; which is what he is proving to be. No resiliance.

You don't bring a man in who you already know requires special attention; give him minimal snaps although this is how he best learns; publicly criticize him for not being on the same level as the others who have been in the league much longer; call him up on a holiday to tell him he is being cut and then talk about wanting him back. Sing needs to kiss his own azz for that one.

If Davis WANTED to be on the 49ers 53 man roster then he should have put in the effort during the off-season. How can you expect Davis to get snaps when he doesn't know majority of the plays? Smith is the starter, he has put in the effort and has shown that he can move the chains and produce with this offense(even without Gore, Davis and Crabtree). It's understandable that you were a Nate Davis fan, but to get this upset over a 3rd string QB? Nate Davis was never going to be a starting QB for the 49ers unless some tragic event happened like it did in 07. Good luck to Nate Davis and welcome Troy Smith to the 49ers! Hopefully his work ethic (the same work ethic that Nate Davis lacked) will push him into the QB #2 position because holy geez if our season comes down to Carr we're screwed.
Originally posted by fister30:
Originally posted by WestCoast:
Originally posted by fister30:
I am one of the biggest Alex haters here. I've been hating on Alex since year two of his niner career. I know Alex is more ready than Nate Davis and will out perform David Carr.

But, WTF is Singletary thinking? Nate had the most upside of any of the three current niner QB's. Troy Smith is a black version of Shaun Hill. Troy has a serious case of the noodle arm.

I don't know exactly when this happened. But it seems like the niners are destined to become mediocre at best for the next several years.

Here is a prediction for everybody here. Sing's days are numbered as a head coach or his ability to cut players will be removed. Alex will play one year past Sing's tenure as a coach. The niners are now three years away from any resemblance of decent QB play.

yea! let's base the future of the niners on our backup qb's, that's it!

David Carr is a career back up. Nate Davis was a development project that Sing abandoned. Alex Smith is a back up, he doesn't realize it yet.

Troy Smith does not have a chance to become a quality starting QB in the NFL. Troy simply doesn't have the physical tools.

Troy Smith and David Carr will not be our starters next year!!

Alex Smith is a starter, you don't realize it yet. If he fails this year then he won't be re-signed. The niners will look for a starter elsewhere for 2011.

It's not difficult to figure out.
Originally posted by WestCoast:
Originally posted by fister30:
Originally posted by WestCoast:
Originally posted by fister30:
I am one of the biggest Alex haters here. I've been hating on Alex since year two of his niner career. I know Alex is more ready than Nate Davis and will out perform David Carr.

But, WTF is Singletary thinking? Nate had the most upside of any of the three current niner QB's. Troy Smith is a black version of Shaun Hill. Troy has a serious case of the noodle arm.

I don't know exactly when this happened. But it seems like the niners are destined to become mediocre at best for the next several years.

Here is a prediction for everybody here. Sing's days are numbered as a head coach or his ability to cut players will be removed. Alex will play one year past Sing's tenure as a coach. The niners are now three years away from any resemblance of decent QB play.

yea! let's base the future of the niners on our backup qb's, that's it!

David Carr is a career back up. Nate Davis was a development project that Sing abandoned. Alex Smith is a back up, he doesn't realize it yet.

Troy Smith does not have a chance to become a quality starting QB in the NFL. Troy simply doesn't have the physical tools.

Troy Smith and David Carr will not be our starters next year!!

Alex Smith is a starter, you don't realize it yet. If he fails this year then he won't be re-signed. The niners will look for a starter elsewhere for 2011.

It's not difficult to figure out.



Correct!!! u guys all fool it!!
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by ttime1:
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by znk916:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
REALLY?

Okay EEEEEENough already.

Christ we're talking about the THIRD STRING QB!!!!!

I swear you would have though we traded Vernon Davis and Patrick Willis to the Cardinald for Matt Lienart and a 7th round pick.

Again say it with me .....

THIRD STRING.

dont joke around

GM has a point. He was here a full year and he only knows a fraction of the playbook. You would think that a guy in his situation and with his SITUATION, would work harder at their game to compensate for his deficiencies. Feel me?


Alex is just learning the playbook and he has had over 60% 0f the snaps while Davis has gotten maybe 5%. But regardless of that, Davis looked better than Smith lat preseason and looks better than Carr this preseason. It is sad to say, but Sing has demonstrated a lack of coaching and leadership ability here. What makes good coaches good is that they coach towards their talent and Davis has talent. Good leadership encourages; not discourages. People here are right to have a bad feeling about this one as every objective indication suggest that this was a bad move. He did not deserve all of the cricism that he recieved; not with scrubs like Byham making the team. The blocking that I saw him do resulted in him getting knocked on his butt. He could not hold on to the difficult catch when he got popped becasue he slowed down after his cut and simply dropped passes that were righ in his had, but you keep this scrub over Davis? Sing is on some BS!

I am tired of hearing that BS about the only thing Davis could do is improvise and make plays. Hell, he is a playmaker; and that is what they do! MAKE PLAYS; which he has shown far more ability that any of the high IQ,intellegent and hard working system QB's on this squad. Damn right Davis will be selected and he should not even take Sings call. Da hell with him with his backward azz; no vision; under-developing coaching; text book, stale mentality. Alex better show up and Sing better win; or both of them a feel the swing door hit them where sing conducts his motivational speaking and the sun don't shine. I hate a coward MF; which is what he is proving to be. No resiliance.

You don't bring a man in who you already know requires special attention; give him minimal snaps although this is how he best learns; publicly criticize him for not being on the same level as the others who have been in the league much longer; call him up on a holiday to tell him he is being cut and then talk about wanting him back. Sing needs to kiss his own azz for that one.

If Davis WANTED to be on the 49ers 53 man roster then he should have put in the effort during the off-season. How can you expect Davis to get snaps when he doesn't know majority of the plays? Smith is the starter, he has put in the effort and has shown that he can move the chains and produce with this offense(even without Gore, Davis and Crabtree). It's understandable that you were a Nate Davis fan, but to get this upset over a 3rd string QB? Nate Davis was never going to be a starting QB for the 49ers unless some tragic event happened like it did in 07. Good luck to Nate Davis and welcome Troy Smith to the 49ers! Hopefully his work ethic (the same work ethic that Nate Davis lacked) will push him into the QB #2 position because holy geez if our season comes down to Carr we're screwed.

There it is right there.
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by ttime1:
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by znk916:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
REALLY?

Okay EEEEEENough already.

Christ we're talking about the THIRD STRING QB!!!!!

I swear you would have though we traded Vernon Davis and Patrick Willis to the Cardinald for Matt Lienart and a 7th round pick.

Again say it with me .....

THIRD STRING.

dont joke around

GM has a point. He was here a full year and he only knows a fraction of the playbook. You would think that a guy in his situation and with his SITUATION, would work harder at their game to compensate for his deficiencies. Feel me?


Alex is just learning the playbook and he has had over 60% 0f the snaps while Davis has gotten maybe 5%. But regardless of that, Davis looked better than Smith lat preseason and looks better than Carr this preseason. It is sad to say, but Sing has demonstrated a lack of coaching and leadership ability here. What makes good coaches good is that they coach towards their talent and Davis has talent. Good leadership encourages; not discourages. People here are right to have a bad feeling about this one as every objective indication suggest that this was a bad move. He did not deserve all of the cricism that he recieved; not with scrubs like Byham making the team. The blocking that I saw him do resulted in him getting knocked on his butt. He could not hold on to the difficult catch when he got popped becasue he slowed down after his cut and simply dropped passes that were righ in his had, but you keep this scrub over Davis? Sing is on some BS!

I am tired of hearing that BS about the only thing Davis could do is improvise and make plays. Hell, he is a playmaker; and that is what they do! MAKE PLAYS; which he has shown far more ability that any of the high IQ,intellegent and hard working system QB's on this squad. Damn right Davis will be selected and he should not even take Sings call. Da hell with him with his backward azz; no vision; under-developing coaching; text book, stale mentality. Alex better show up and Sing better win; or both of them a feel the swing door hit them where sing conducts his motivational speaking and the sun don't shine. I hate a coward MF; which is what he is proving to be. No resiliance.

You don't bring a man in who you already know requires special attention; give him minimal snaps although this is how he best learns; publicly criticize him for not being on the same level as the others who have been in the league much longer; call him up on a holiday to tell him he is being cut and then talk about wanting him back. Sing needs to kiss his own azz for that one.

If Davis WANTED to be on the 49ers 53 man roster then he should have put in the effort during the off-season. How can you expect Davis to get snaps when he doesn't know majority of the plays? Smith is the starter, he has put in the effort and has shown that he can move the chains and produce with this offense(even without Gore, Davis and Crabtree). It's understandable that you were a Nate Davis fan, but to get this upset over a 3rd string QB? Nate Davis was never going to be a starting QB for the 49ers unless some tragic event happened like it did in 07. Good luck to Nate Davis and welcome Troy Smith to the 49ers! Hopefully his work ethic (the same work ethic that Nate Davis lacked) will push him into the QB #2 position because holy geez if our season comes down to Carr we're screwed.

First of all, it is amazing to me that how many of you accept one part of Sing's statment and totaly ignore the other part where Sing says he is working his tail off. So is he lazy? No! Never the less, he responded professionaly and with the right humble response; "I did work hard; but not hard enough I guess." Nate's issue was not one of effort; but one of knowing how to prepare. But, that is in part a significant responsibility of your coaching staff; to coach!

This is nothing to do with effort. What it has to do with is that Nate is not a good third string QB as he is not going to run the opposing team's plays as well as others. Nate has way more natural talent than the others. But he is not as good of a third string QB. But good coaching strategy does not get rid of talent only to replace it with a player who can help you prepare. Hell, he should have gotten rid of that scrub Byham and kept 4 QBs. Nate will not get picked up to be put on some other team's practice squad. He will be on some team's roster and will be properly groomed to start in the league.

Never the less, beyond letting a talent go in order to get a better practice player, is the manner is which it happened. You don't put a player down like that; release him and then say we want you back. That's like bringing in Carr and giving him more snaps than Alex; but turning around and criticizing Alex in the press that he is not grasping the playbook well enough; yet you want him to start. That's some odd interaction there. Nate will be OK. Trust me. It's the 49ers who loose out in this transaction; which I as a +25 year fan am tired of seeing this team do. Stupid shyt because of mediocre coaching and short sighted leadership. You don't expose your talent after one year; when you know he got talent which is why you want him back. That's plain dumb.
Originally posted by BobS:
I am not happy with Carr at #2. If Alex goes down we are in real trouble. Hope Smith is healthy and can start all 16 games.

stop quoting Hitler
You guys are acting as if he was going to do ANYTHING this season! He's not Joe Montana, he couldn't learn the playbook, he was lazy. Sure he had an arm, sure there's a possibility of ONE DAY he'll be a starting QB... but... come on. Everyone just relax. A. Smith would have to get injured, D. Carr would have had to get injured and/or be absolutely terrible, and THEN Davis gets in. That's close to impossible. What is this, the movie Any Given Sunday??