Originally posted by kray28:Originally posted by TheAcpHater:Originally posted by kray28:Originally posted by TheAcpHater:
Inanity doesn't deserve class.
Who is this 45 post dicktard?
The guy who is wondering who in the hell thinks it's a good idea to show their hand to a team we play later on when it counts.
Is there a brain requirement for the Zone?
800 page playbook....how much of it could exposed in one half of football? Really. Do you even have the foggiest idea how football works?
The same play can be disguised in countless formations....but you see little variation either in initial formation or the actual calls themselves. There is no dynamicity to the calls, no adjustment to the current down and distance, or the defensive alignments. That itself has little to do the playbook, and more to do with poor defensive reads on the part of the play caller.
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Serious reservations about the playcalling
Aug 30, 2010 at 9:21 AM
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Aug 30, 2010 at 9:21 AM
- TheAcpHater
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Originally posted by kray28:Originally posted by TheAcpHater:Originally posted by kray28:Originally posted by TheAcpHater:
Inanity doesn't deserve class.
Who is this 45 post dicktard?
The guy who is wondering who in the hell thinks it's a good idea to show their hand to a team we play later on when it counts.
Is there a brain requirement for the Zone?
800 page playbook....how much of it could exposed in one half of football? Really. Do you even have the foggiest idea how football works?
The same play can be disguised in countless formations....but you see little variation either in initial formation or the actual calls themselves. There is no dynamicity to the calls, no adjustment to the current down and distance, or the defensive alignments. That itself has little to do the playbook, and more to do with poor defensive reads on the part of the play caller.
You're still not getting it, obviously.
Aug 30, 2010 at 9:22 AM
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LOL preseason LOL
Aug 30, 2010 at 9:24 AM
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Originally posted by TheAcpHater:Originally posted by kray28:Originally posted by TheAcpHater:Originally posted by kray28:Originally posted by TheAcpHater:
Inanity doesn't deserve class.
Who is this 45 post dicktard?
The guy who is wondering who in the hell thinks it's a good idea to show their hand to a team we play later on when it counts.
Is there a brain requirement for the Zone?
800 page playbook....how much of it could exposed in one half of football? Really. Do you even have the foggiest idea how football works?
The same play can be disguised in countless formations....but you see little variation either in initial formation or the actual calls themselves. There is no dynamicity to the calls, no adjustment to the current down and distance, or the defensive alignments. That itself has little to do the playbook, and more to do with poor defensive reads on the part of the play caller.
You're still not getting it, obviously.
That would imply that there was something to get.
The proof is in the pudding...when you watch 16 regular season games, you develop a sense of the rhythm the playcalling has. I did that last season with Jimmy Raye.
Then you watch three preseason games, and you see the same diminutive rhythm in the playcalling.
It's just observation....the preseason playcalling seems to the same as the playcalling we got last season.
Aug 30, 2010 at 9:28 AM
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Pre-season games serve one primary purpose: look at certain players in specific situations in order to make roster decisions and prioritize depth. Other than that, coached keep the majority of the offensive and defensive schemes in the locker room.
Manusky opened up the book a little bit on blitz packages but DL stunts have been very basic and coverages have also been basic. Raye has done much the same thing.
That having been said, the breakdowns in the secondary against Oakland will almost certainly be addressed Thursday. I also expect to see Crabtree and Davis run some deeper routes just to shake the rust loose. Other than that, we will have to wait until 9/12.
Manusky opened up the book a little bit on blitz packages but DL stunts have been very basic and coverages have also been basic. Raye has done much the same thing.
That having been said, the breakdowns in the secondary against Oakland will almost certainly be addressed Thursday. I also expect to see Crabtree and Davis run some deeper routes just to shake the rust loose. Other than that, we will have to wait until 9/12.
Aug 30, 2010 at 9:28 AM
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Originally posted by kray28:
I watched/taped the game last night on NFL Network....and I think that Jimmy Raye's playcalling has not improved at all. It's going to continue to be a wet blanket that will hamper this team's progress through the season.
And I think that's a shame...because I saw our starters make some pretty impressive plays out there. They're basically going to have to fight not only with their opponent, but Raye's garbage playcalling.
How many more 3rd and long draws are we going to see, even if it's Brian Westbrook with the ball now? Eventually, even the quality of your personnel cannot cover up the stench of crappy playcalling. The calls have no rhythm, no cadence. No sense of balance, and no serious read of the defense.
While you're probably right about the playcalling remaining predictable, you need to wait until it's no longer preseason.
Aug 30, 2010 at 9:29 AM
- TheAcpHater
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Originally posted by kray28:Originally posted by TheAcpHater:Originally posted by kray28:Originally posted by TheAcpHater:Originally posted by kray28:Originally posted by TheAcpHater:
Inanity doesn't deserve class.
Who is this 45 post dicktard?
The guy who is wondering who in the hell thinks it's a good idea to show their hand to a team we play later on when it counts.
Is there a brain requirement for the Zone?
800 page playbook....how much of it could exposed in one half of football? Really. Do you even have the foggiest idea how football works?
The same play can be disguised in countless formations....but you see little variation either in initial formation or the actual calls themselves. There is no dynamicity to the calls, no adjustment to the current down and distance, or the defensive alignments. That itself has little to do the playbook, and more to do with poor defensive reads on the part of the play caller.
You're still not getting it, obviously.
That would imply that there was something to get.
The proof is in the pudding...when you watch 16 regular season games, you develop a sense of the rhythm the playcalling has. I did that last season with Jimmy Raye.
Then you watch three preseason games, and you see the same diminutive rhythm in the playcalling.
It's just observation....the preseason playcalling seems to the same as the playcalling we got last season.
And Like I said earlier, I am also worried about Raye's playcalling.
The problem is that the REASON YOU are worried, is because he looked vanilla calling plays against a team we play later when it counts, which is simply absurd. Week 3's play calling will have no effect on what Raye does in the regular season. Build your worry elsewhere.
Aug 30, 2010 at 9:38 AM
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Our team essentially limits itself to two downs. If we throw incomplete on 1st down, we run 99.99% of the time on 2nd down in an attempt to create a 3rd and manageable distance. Defenses know that and are ready for it which is why it usually goes for no gain and we're in 3rd and long. Basically we have 1st down and 3rd down to convert. 2nd down is usually wasted.
That observation goes for last season as well as preseason this year.
That observation goes for last season as well as preseason this year.
Aug 30, 2010 at 9:45 AM
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Originally posted by kray28:Originally posted by TheAcpHater:Originally posted by kray28:Originally posted by TheAcpHater:Originally posted by kray28:Originally posted by TheAcpHater:
Inanity doesn't deserve class.
Who is this 45 post dicktard?
The guy who is wondering who in the hell thinks it's a good idea to show their hand to a team we play later on when it counts.
Is there a brain requirement for the Zone?
800 page playbook....how much of it could exposed in one half of football? Really. Do you even have the foggiest idea how football works?
The same play can be disguised in countless formations....but you see little variation either in initial formation or the actual calls themselves. There is no dynamicity to the calls, no adjustment to the current down and distance, or the defensive alignments. That itself has little to do the playbook, and more to do with poor defensive reads on the part of the play caller.
You're still not getting it, obviously.
That would imply that there was something to get.
The proof is in the pudding...when you watch 16 regular season games, you develop a sense of the rhythm the playcalling has. I did that last season with Jimmy Raye.
Then you watch three preseason games, and you see the same diminutive rhythm in the playcalling.
It's just observation....the preseason playcalling seems to the same as the playcalling we got last season.
J.Raye opened up the offense some by going to the spread when Smith took over last year.
When he was OC for KC they ran some pretty good offenses there.
I agree some of the play calling last year(especially 3rd down)was crappy but with the weapons the 49ers have on offense I think they're gonna really open it up and surprise a lot of people this year.
Go Niners
Aug 30, 2010 at 9:49 AM
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Originally posted by TonyStarks:Originally posted by rigs49:Originally posted by Youngone:
You guys are crazy if you think that the coaches will show off their full playbook to a team that we play in Week 6. Why would we give them that kind of film to study? Think about that before you assume the vanilla argument is not appropriate.
It's a shame that there are really people out there that think it's important and should show the real playbook.
The play book is TWO feet thick. Stop it already with this "showing them our playbook" s**t. How many different plays were actually called Sat. night? Maybe 25-30.
You are being silly with this talk
If a team wants to use this past game to prepare for us 10 weeks from now, let them
Aug 30, 2010 at 9:52 AM
- TheAcpHater
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Originally posted by Mex49:Originally posted by TonyStarks:Originally posted by rigs49:Originally posted by Youngone:
You guys are crazy if you think that the coaches will show off their full playbook to a team that we play in Week 6. Why would we give them that kind of film to study? Think about that before you assume the vanilla argument is not appropriate.
It's a shame that there are really people out there that think it's important and should show the real playbook.
The play book is TWO feet thick. Stop it already with this "showing them our playbook" s**t. How many different plays were actually called Sat. night? Maybe 25-30.
You are being silly with this talk
If a team wants to use this past game to prepare for us 10 weeks from now, let them
Yeah, we're being "silly" only that this is a procedure every NFL O coordinator employs in the same situation. More brilliant, thought provoking posts on Niner Talk!
Aug 30, 2010 at 9:55 AM
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Ahh Niner talk on Mondays.
Aug 30, 2010 at 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by dj43:
Pre-season games serve one primary purpose: look at certain players in specific situations in order to make roster decisions and prioritize depth. Other than that, coached keep the majority of the offensive and defensive schemes in the locker room.
Manusky opened up the book a little bit on blitz packages but DL stunts have been very basic and coverages have also been basic. Raye has done much the same thing.
That having been said, the breakdowns in the secondary against Oakland will almost certainly be addressed Thursday. I also expect to see Crabtree and Davis run some deeper routes just to shake the rust loose. Other than that, we will have to wait until 9/12.
When you are playing your 1st string well into the 3rd qtr, you are not looking at roster decisions- this is a f**king warm up for the real deal. our coaches are 8-8, and our players are 8-8 until proven otherwise, it is time to get the kinks out. The fact that we might give a secret away to a team we play months from now away is ridiculous.
I dont feel anymore confident playing the Packers after watching them light up Indy, what secrets of theirs did we learn as we watched them open it up?
Aug 30, 2010 at 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by Mex49:Originally posted by dj43:
Pre-season games serve one primary purpose: look at certain players in specific situations in order to make roster decisions and prioritize depth. Other than that, coached keep the majority of the offensive and defensive schemes in the locker room.
Manusky opened up the book a little bit on blitz packages but DL stunts have been very basic and coverages have also been basic. Raye has done much the same thing.
That having been said, the breakdowns in the secondary against Oakland will almost certainly be addressed Thursday. I also expect to see Crabtree and Davis run some deeper routes just to shake the rust loose. Other than that, we will have to wait until 9/12.
When you are playing your 1st string well into the 3rd qtr, you are not looking at roster decisions- this is a f**king warm up for the real deal. our coaches are 8-8, and our players are 8-8 until proven otherwise, it is time to get the kinks out. The fact that we might give a secret away to a team we play months from now away is ridiculous.
I dont feel anymore confident playing the Packers after watching them light up Indy, what secrets of theirs did we learn as we watched them open it up?
the fact that you just don't get this is ridiculous.
Aug 30, 2010 at 10:14 AM
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In a thread nearby, i make a case for 25-35 scripted plays as a way of allowing our QBs a chance to change the call at LOS if the D set will scuttle the called play. Also, it gives jimmyrae, bigmike and alex a chance to do a sitdown, 6 days before gametime, to come up with our first 25-35 plays. It is a way to get the plays in rapidly, do away with our asinine timeouts (2 per half) because we couldn't get the plays in on time. It would give our qb and coaches a chance to actually gameplan ahead of time, would do away with burning timeouts for naught, and who knows, actually allow alex to run a no huddle O, something he did well against Colts last yr. Walsh, the GOAt, was the fastest thinking coach on his feet, and HE scripted plays. I rest my case for scripting plays.